physics, mathematics, chaos, assembly, complexity take up so much of my awe and wonder , by the time religion and spirituality come around i am just *meh*
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Some of religion is actually based in physics and math. Hinduism for example has the concept of Veda (knowledge) teachings that delve into sound resonance and the tuning of the mind to nature. This is actually based in physics - the resonance of microtubules in neurons. There is a quantum component to all of it which is super fascinating. I am currently down this rabbit hole so I don’t know much and probably sound like an idiot trying to describe it.
Some also postulate that it is the collapse of long microtubule chains that gives rise to consciousness.
Wait until you discover Abhidhamma
Tldr; ?
Incredibly detailed description of perception and relationship between mind and matter, with accordance to modern cognitive psychology
Cool I’ll have to look into it. Any place in particular I should start? Does it delve into quantum physics at all?
I don’t think so. I really liked this book, but might be a bit dense for a first touch with Buddhism literature, its academic https://wisdomexperience.org/product/the-theravada-abhidhamma/
At a quick glance this seems very much in line with various aspects of quantum mechanics.
I am personally very wary of trying to bring quantum to psychology/spirituality. There’s too much woo in that and most who do this don’t understand physics at all and just do some simple connections because some of the vocabulary/metaphors used in quantum seem similar to those from religions. The leap is just too great and I’ve never seen a serious, deep and successful attempt to do this. But I also don’t feel a need to find this connection
The guy in the video I linked makes that connection. Maybe not seriously but says they are remarkably similar.
The dawn of physics started with philosophers. I suspect in the end, it will come full-circle.
But I do agree the muddled stuff is annoying, many-worlds arguments in particular. Keep the multiverse in Rick and Morty. :-)
putting this on my daylight for future me
We are the universe, the laws of physics expressed. These laws of physics feel divine, crafted to trigger the emergence of consciousness. To think quantum entanglement and “electrostatic” forces are holding so many proteins and receptor complexes together. Cells being circular along with planets and suns is peculiar too... as above, so below.
Hesignburg said you’ll find God at the bottom of the glass of science. He said it due to the unpredictability of quantum mechanics, implying some higher power… but even if predictability does finally come to quantum mechanics, I think he was still right about that quote given how orderly stellar orbits and cell mechanisms are.
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I got clued in to this from a video about consciousness so I haven’t read anything yet. But there are remarkable connections between all of the strange phenomena we don’t fully understand.
If something is just meh, whatever it is, it does not play a role of a religious/spiritual experience *for you*. There are multiple ways of approaching God / Tao / The Ground of Being / whateveryoucallit, science being one of them. But if you approach Him close enough, the technical reason stops being sufficient and you'll spontaneously start doing weird shit like falling down on your knees, awestruck.
The established religions are simply traditional ways of responding to the divine that used to work and still work for a large (but diminishing) number of people. By "work", I mean "elicit a feeling of conformance to God".
Sorry for rambling, this is what nostr does to a man. Wish you all the best. Search and you will find.
I'm just guessing you see 'religion' as some sort of seperate Dewey library classification maybe(?). Whereas I think that awe and wonder is what a lot of people would see as religious. I've just woken up, I think this makes sense as a sentence.
Without #philosophy it is too hard to prioritize what is worth a closer look and why.
Philosophy well exercised provides with a problem situation grounded in reality rather than geeking out on random rabbit holes, never amounting to any action in life.
With the right kind of problems we can now start solving them by conjectures of new explanations and criticism of those to select the best. This is how new knowledge is uncovered which propels progress forward.
I learned this from Karl Popper and David Deutsch.
Recommend reading The Beginning of Infinity
assembly theory is really interesting
Spirit is the birth place of all things, including these domains you've mentioned.
For me, physics, math, etc seem attainable, or at least understandable given enough concentrationn. But I am completely in awe by how civilization was apparently so dependent on, and was so deeply influenced by religion for so long. Like... read the religious texts, they are crazy. For example, Jesus told Peter to go catch a fish and a coin will be in it's mouth to pay some temple. Who would believe that? And even if it were true, why would someone write that story down and think someone else would believe it?. What the hell were our grandparents thinking? I'm completely enamored with this question. Regardless of how unbelievable it all is, I do think religion served a great purpose, particularly monotheistic religions, I think they are responsible for getting rid of the god kings. And for that, I gratefully give my awe. The physical universe is awesome but so is the the way people interact with each other.
It amazes me that we can be in awe of the precision workings of a mechanical watch and not doubt the presence of a watch maker and yet in the same breath be confronted with vastly, infinitely more complex, systems and relegate them to a realm of circumstance and haphazard chance as to their author…………
Try reversing the order for a week or two. Who knows?
100%
You have it backwards.
Religion is just another language to try to explain the same infiniteness and conversion.
Religion is a habit of virtue that inclines the will to give God what he deserves.
Religion is not about explaining but about giving/serving.
So you’re in awe of God’s creation, but giving God what he deserves aka religion is meh?
Make it make sense
I mean they are a great mathematician thats for sure. I wouldn’t presume to know more about them if there is a creator, they could be a dick for all i know.
Big tithing would have us believe those things are separate. There is only experience, information, how we assimilate those into worldview, the language we choose to describe it, and the resulting actions we take.
I am with you to a certain degree. I am amazed by science, and while I am an atheist, I find religion to be an astounding phenomenon, which has done incredible things both good and bad, and its history is fascinating. In response to some comments: religion ≠ spirituality.
Philosophy and faith are needed to drive human action and are foundational to knowledge creation, but religion as it is today is archaic and was designed as a system of control. We can definitely do better on the religious and spirituality front.
It's all connected, bro. Every subject not those the ones you mentioned.