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Have you had a blood test for your total and/ or free testosterone?
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Literally theres a millions of testimonies all over twitter and YouTube.
Theres many doctors, athletes and medical health professionals even promoting now.
Funnily enough yes there are a bunch of pro carnivore people showing their low free testosterone levels and hand waving it away. How do you think I know this is a problem?
Eat the plants if you love them so much. You have the free will to eat as you wish.
"Wow you looked at the scientific evidence? You must want to marry a cabbage".
It doesnt even take scientific paper.
Look at the average vegan person you know
Look at the average carnivore person you know
Look at the average standard western diet person you know
Now who do you think has the higher testerone and who looks the most healthy?
It’s typically athletes and they don’t follow the carnivore diet. Literally just learn about physiology and how these different nutrients are metabolised and what their purpose is.
Well there are many athletes who follow carnivore so that doesnt suit your narrative you are pushing.
Who are the many athletes following the carnivore diet?
Go to Dr Anthony Chaffee Youtube channel
He brings on professional rugby players, body builder, boxers etc on his channel to discuss carnivore.
There are examples of endurances athletes on carnivore i would think you could do anything You want on any diet yet not all diets are optimal for all types of activity
When I do protein only I feel weak after a few days those who burn 500+ a day in exercise probably need some sugar every now and then (but this is my own personal experience, every body is different)
You need animal fats as well. Carnivores get their energy from animal fats and dairy.
LIke I mean you go to eat the beef fat, bacon fat, as well. Nothing goes to waste haha.
Such as?
Mark Sisson
1) Not an athlete. Being athletic is not the same thing.
2) He eats vegetables.
Been a while since I looked but he used to run ultra-marathons at the professional level.
Seems like there is a bit of a question mark around this. In any case I doubt his diet in the 1980's resembles anything he has been consuming recently. I don't disagree that he looks great for his age, but he isn't a strict carnivore or at least hasn't been for the vast majority of his life. Also a huge portion of this is genetics.
If I remember his story was that he was eaten a classic western diet while being athlete running marathons. But then his friend introduced him to Keto and he started improving his performance and as well as healing his arthritis.
Now hes basically eating carnivore or a very high animal based protein diet.
Even if most people end up coming off strict carnivore after a time that doesn’t make it stupid of bad. It can be an extremely healing time for people. The question is so then step out of it and continue into heath or are they left with terrible health problems. I haven’t heard of people getting fucked up from it, pretty much just a lot of happy stories about eliminating auto immune disorders etc.
Doesn’t mean there are no bad stories or that it’s right for everyone, but clearly some are thriving.
This 100%. If I ever feel like this diet is making be sick or weak I would start adding carbs in. But for now everything feels more than good.
Jordan Peterson said that after switching to carnivore he drank some cider and then spent a month not sleeping and in deep depression, so basically for him he seemed to become less resilient to a non carnivore diet.
Or maybe he sober up and his body started rejecting the toxins the western diet likes to promote.
Detoxing is pseudoscience.
You joking right.?
When I was a drink. The first time it took me 4 bottles of beer to get drunk.
As I drank more regularly, it would take me like 12 beers to get drunk.
Our bodies learn to adapt to toxins we assume.
This is the opposite to what you described. You're literally putting *more* toxins into your body rather than less.
Yes, you and Jordan Peterson hold secret unspoken “science”!!
Most nutrition science is just not that good of science period. Whether it’s science for or against any diet or food item. You can’t truly have a true long term double blind experiment on a single food or diet without endless cofounding variables.
Scientists do their best to control for these variables and perform meta analyses on multitudes of studies. But it is still so imperfect. That’s ok.
You do you. Matt will do Matt. Jordan do Jordan. In the end we will all die. Some of us will be miserable in death some will find tranquility.
Let’s try to enjoy the ride.
That’s a complete and total lie. Human nutrition and performance is something that’s well understood, and it has been studied for a very long time.
If you want to shill for some new fad diet in a super long line of fad diets, fine. But it’s just that, a fad.
A lie is defined an intentionally false statement.
This is just my opinion based on my (mild) reading of nutritional sciences, for about 20 years. So not a lie.
I am not an expert, and I’m also not shilling for carnivore diet or any other diet. I’m not even doing that diet currently I just think it has merits.
That’s incorrect. If I go into a lab and tell everyone there that what they learned is not “good science” and cause them to take bad advice and ruin their progress, that’s still a lie. Because you don’t know what you’re talking about.
Well luckily for them I don’t have lab access so they can happily continue their work in peace.
ketogenic metabolic states are known to have advantages and there are labs and athletes exploring this further Im really not sure what the argument is. If it’s you need carbs or your performance will suck this is still being debated in endurance sports if it’s you die sooner who knows we will just need to find out won’t we.
The benefits are for ppl with epilepsy, your entire position is based on yt and twitter shills. Almost none of the ppl that follow a “keto” diet actually do it properly, which is why so much trash food is labelled “keto” now.
Self experimentation and nih but ok 👌 it was fun till you just attacked people have a good night if you want to feel superior share your sources next time, The burden of proof was on you not the other way around.
What kind of performance what’s good for one sport is not always good for another . I can do way more volume on 30g of carbs, on the other end of it max power give me 100-200g. carnivore is probably not optimal but it does seam to solve some issues for folks. Everything is a trade off. I feel like shit on anything over 100g of carbs a day regardless the source some people feel like shit unless they eat 400g per day. We are a very adaptable animal with diversity in dna nothing is universal
Got to remember that Jordan Peterson’s genetics are extremely vulnerable to autoimmune stuff. He and his wife have autoimmune problems and pass them down to his daughter, who has an even more extreme expression of them. So he’s probably just not gonna be as resilient as your average person.
And even with that, he says that this is the best he’s felt
Hes like 75 years old looks better than most 25 years old.
Here is his update:
"And add the vegetables as a condiment".
You’re full of shit
There are doctors that will tell you that you can become a woman by inverting your p*nis. Shills on yt and Twitter have zero credibility as it is.
If someone is promoting any of the million fad diets including carnivore, you can be sure they have something to gain financially.
I do blood work for that so I can test it before and after if I stay on it for a good amount of time. I’m a bit of a blood work geek