What if when you put a file into an app on your phone, it was just instantly available on all of your devices?
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You mean in a secure, sovereign way? Otherwise, you've just described iCloud, Google Drive etc
Yes, in a completely sovereign way because fuck icloud and google
Have you been living under a rock? There are tons of ways to do this 😝 haven’t you heard of the cloud ☁️?!?
Wow. Nextcloud.
You'd be surprised by how much subtle changes make a completely different experience. 🤣
still in that 🍐stuff?
I wasn't even able to bootrap the dev env in a restrictred env (or any app). so much for "punch hole"
(not a critique, just observation)
Admittedly their stack is super complicated to work with and takes months to understand all the pieces to. The project we are building has a core that is specifically to make it so that you can do this without having to understand any of it. Makes it 100x easier, imo.
I'll talk less and show more in the coming weeks. 🤞
To clarify: This is not using Google, this would be private and sovereign, and is it not Nextcloud which needs Tor outside your network and takes like 40 hours to do anything 🤣
interested!
Could be blessing and a curse:D
Your control
Using someone else's computer to store your files, photos, passwords, etc. is 100% a curse. If its not noticeable now it will become in the near future. Do everything you can to self-custody as much as you can of your digital life. Remember that digital emissions don't dissipate in the air. They forever remain on some server (aka someone else's computer) probably forever.
nostr:npub126ntw5mnermmj0znhjhgdk8lh2af72sm8qfzq48umdlnhaj9kuns3le9ll FTW
I think guy means migration between your devices without a third party. I guess he’s talking about syncing via nostr but maybe not
Onedrive?
Not someone else's cloud spying on everything you upload.
Ohh I got ya..ya I guess Microsoft knows everything you have in Onedrive. Im not THAT technical , but doesn't a self hosted umbrel or start 9 solve for that problem?
Yes except that it’s horribly inconvenient and/pr horribly slow. Which is why people still use things like OneDrive. The idea is how do you make it convenient, fast, and easy, but still sovereign and secure.
people actually use that?
Syncthing, own your keys, own your data.
https://github.com/syncthing/syncthing
Android phone app
https://github.com/Catfriend1/syncthing-android
I take a photo on my phone it's on my server & desktop in seconds. Files on my computers are easily accessible from my phone almost instantly. No big tech, totally under my control. It's a great project.
I personally use Nextcloud for stuff is this.
I'm surprised it doesn't. It's available on Umbrel.
Syncthing & Nextcloud aren't 💯 the same. Syncthing just keeps folders in sync on multiple devices. Nextcloud tries to replace a lot of other features. I've tried both, but find syncthing a better for my personal use case.
I like the whole ecosystem replacement that Nextcloud offers.
Nextcloud is syncing filr folders across five devices for me right now, but then it also syncs contacts, calendars, tasks, browser bookmarks, plus much more across all those devices.
We've had it for a couple of years, it's on the Community Registry: https://marketplace.start9.com/syncthing
That said, we don't really recommend it. Syncthing is not really a server application. It mostly a way for clients to synchronize with one another without a server. Once you introduce a server through which all clients can synchronize, it is largely obsoleted. There are certainly still use cases for it
Cool man.
Immich for Photos is also amazing for self-custody.
I tried that and found the phone app buggy. With syncthing my phone files are synced to my desktop, and backed up automatically there. I find this easier and less trouble.
beware of metadata leaks. It's not easy to make it "private"
Syncthing runs on computers you own, not a centralized server. I'm not sure where metadata would be leaking, considering communication is encrypted.
You're broadcasting it.
If you're worried about your IP address being known disable global discovery and have your devices on a VPN. Wireguard is good for this.
I just said to beware.
also I use syncthing
It's a valid but trivial concern compared to the spying one deals with on gdrive, OneDrive, etc.
Thankfully there are solutions. People who are capable of using syncthing probably already have a VPN set up anyways IMHO 😂
given the dostr DM discussions I just found it worth mentioning.
also, what's VPN 🤪
My experience with syncthing was pretty awful actually. If i deleted something, it deleted from every device, if i added something on desktop, it automatically took storage on my phone. Which were both the opposite of what i wanted. I wanted to leverage storage on my desktop to offload it from my phone, but still have it accessible.
Maybe there were some settings i could change with syncthing, but I lost some files almost immediately because of the destructive sync function without realizing.
It's certainly the closest thing to what I'd love to have however. But there are some major things that are hugely under-appreciated possibilities that it doesn't seem interested in building for.
Yes my use case is keeping files synced between devices, which makes it perfect. I guess it's kind of in the name though.
With great power comes great responsibility.
You can absolutely set it up as you describe / want to, using "send only" and/or "receive only" folders.
I've been using it forever and I use it for pretty much anything. Granted, my setup is a bit involved, but it works fantastically well (and I never lost files).
Interesting I’ll dig back into it and look at how it works more closely. I’d be curious how you use your setup as well.
Maybe we could’ve used syncthing to build what we are doing, but at this point it doesn’t really matter because we’ve solved the file syncing part and it’s about the things we are building alongside it and the UX that I think will set ours apart. There’s just so much complexity in these kinds of tools that seems totally unnecessary. And some hugely missed opportunities as well, imo.
But we will see, I’ll give syncthing another good look though and see what I came up with do with it.
I kinda have that already on nostr ser.
Cool. I have been using wormhole for this. It works, but I don't really understand how it works well enough to trust it.
wormhole is a great idea but super impractical UX and doesn't have a persistent network of devices. Its basically the first building block of what ought to be there, but never actually fully realized the possibilities or maybe just never saw the exact problem it should've solved, imo.
Nextcloud, syncthing, All of these can be configured to either use local network, I2P, or Tor. (If you are more commandline savvy, you can use a self addressable proxy server). The idea is though that you want a tunnel to your server with a bunch of storage and RAM (not to mention a fairly fast NIC).
Yes, and the first and second sentences is why all of them suck and will never be used at scale... with respect, not a jab at you.
Totally agree but that's the DNS infrastructure and ISPs fault not the tech. There's a much easier way to ensure that IP address are addressable and don't have collisions without a central authority. But, I'm not the Satoshi of the internet, I care too much about not hiding or being dead.
For sure, i don't lay blame anywhere, but there is a solution to those problems yet it seems that most aren't interested in building it because the people who can just seem to hand wave it with "just use Tor or run your own proxy server or whatever" seemingly without realizing that they just eliminated 99.935% of all their potential users and any chance of actually fixing the massive dependence on huge centralized server platforms for everything.
Its like the people who need it don't know what they need, and the people who know and can build it don't need to because they know how to do all the other super technical options. 🤔
I am hoping Bitcoin Yada-yadas a lot of these perverse incentives away, really so that's why I focus on teaching self-custody and giving people the confidence to hold their own money. The downstream effects MIGHT just fix the sovereign computing crisis as well. 😩🙏
i need this
Let’s put it on the line
