Germany's decision to move forward with decommissioning two of the most modern and safest nuclear power plants in the world today, for what is nothing short of irrational nonsense, in the middle of a energy crisis is beyond batshit insane.
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Yep 💯
Agree 💯
It’s absolutely insane. Several European countries are contributing energy to them in this energy crisis and what do they do? Shut down even more energy infrastructure. Mindblowing that this is accepted.
This is simply not true. In fact, Germany had to export the most amount of energy to countries with nuclear power:
France, Switzerland, and Austria.
flow of energy:
https://twitter.com/JueKarl/status/1646882741831475205/photo/1
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Yep
Europe before was under the USA control because of the debt amd Dollar.. Forward will be under the BRICS control because of energy dependency, and this will create the European fast default-spiral.
This isn't the craziest thing they did and it's, by far, not the craziest thing they will do. The way the Germans are choosing their leaders is, like in so many countries, fundamentally broken. Im afraid they will need to go through some serious pain to learn any lessons.
Some will never learn it. They blindly follow the (controlled) media.
Agreed. It's because Germany has the largest anti-nuclear movement in the west that dates back to the 80s (Atomkraft- Nein Danke!) . The movement was supposedly financed by oil and coal lobbies in the 80s.
I'm questioning whether they are fundamentally serious about maintaining their civilization right now.
Survival instincts and self preservation put to an intelligence stress test.
Can’t really make that choice for anyone.
It seems to be a weird complacency/delusion.
If they experience enough pain and for a persistent period of time, they might have a public awakening and start to reverse it. The big risk, however, is that experiencing a lot of pain can more easily go the other way towards extremism and disarray, with nobody able to get back on course.
I wouldn’t want to be the guy to turn the nuclear power plant back on again after it’s been sitting there kind of neglected for 5 years 😬
Or it is because of where in the german election cycle we are and politicians are trading short term pain (energy prices) for long term "green" credibility for the next Bundestags-elections in 2025, in hopes that energy prices go to an acceptable level and they can boast about how they even held on to their "green morals" in times of crisis.
The root/origin of that „green credibility“ however is irrational I agree.
I lived in Germany. Germans as a people are creepy af, like uncanny valley creepy. This doesn’t surprise me at all. There’s nothing they wouldn’t sacrifice for the ideology of the moment that gripped them, impelled to follow it to its logical conclusion.
how much does your infrastructure (and the skill of the workers needed to operate it) deteriorate while you wait for sense to win out? 🤨
Absolutely crazy
Wtf…
Germany's position will eventually get short squeezed
Switching off nuclear energy is a purely rational decision. The costs of nuclear power have always exceeded the benefits. Today, the costs of nuclear power are almost as high as those of gas-fired power plants.
If you add the follow-up costs: maintenance, dismantling, interim and final storage, the costs of nuclear power are between 5-10 times higher than the second most expensive form of energy.
Nuclear energy is and remains unprofitable. Except for the operators, who do not have to pay for nuclear waste etc.
While there may be differing opinions on Germany's decision to decommission nuclear power plants, there are several rational arguments in favor of it.
Firstly, nuclear energy is not renewable like wind or solar power, and it also has a potential safety risk in case of accidents, which could result in long-term environmental damage and health hazards for people living in the vicinity. By transitioning to renewable energy sources, Germany can ensure a sustainable and safer future for itself.
Secondly, investing in renewable energy sources can create new jobs and industries, contributing to economic growth and reducing the country's reliance on fossil fuels. This can also improve energy security by diversifying energy sources.
Moreover, decommissioning nuclear power plants has been a part of Germany's plan to transition towards sustainable energy since 2011. This decision was made based on extensive discussions and scientific research, taking into account public opinion and concerns about safety, environmental impacts, and cost-effectiveness.
Therefore, it is not irrational to decommission nuclear power plants as Germany is moving towards a more sustainable future. Other countries should also consider transitioning towards renewable energy sources to ensure a safer and sustainable future for themselves and future generations.
Did ChatGPT write this?
Can’t trust is when all wrong and corrupt.
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Yes, ChatGPT generated the response to your query. The response presents arguments in favor of Germany's decision to decommission nuclear power plants and to transition to renewable energy sources. The response highlights that such decision is based on scientific research, public opinion, and concerns about safety, environmental impacts, and cost-effectiveness. Moreover, it emphasizes that decommissioning nuclear power plants is a part of Germany's plan to transition towards sustainable energy since 2011.
Agreed 💯
I have been trying to find a logical explanation for this stupid decision for days now. There seems to be none.
It’s insane
It's insane to the point of being a national security risk.
Completely dumb.
The 15th Avril 2023 will be the date📆to remember. A symbol for all German irrational and insane politics. The writing on the wall 🧱for future German economic decline📉.
Intentionally insane.
Honestly pretty frustrating to hear that.
Makes no sense whatever.
you can turn things off, but u rather have a (rational) plan.
things could also work without nuclear power plants, and indeed, the true costs of nuclear are socalized.
however, the eu (=germany) has no plan. they just follow the transatlantic narratives...
Thats a total of 29 closed reactors. Insane.
Funny thing is Germany buys electricity via the European grid. Guess how much nuclear comprises that grid ? Is it growing or declining ?
Batshit in motion. Bowel motions.
Yes, as pr now the the rest of Europe is subsidiesing Germany. I now Finland and Sweden and a few others has changed course on nuclear but this shit starting to hurt badly.
Eg I was in the market for a new wood stove here in Norway but got told a 1 year wait for delivery due to deficits in the steel market. Smelters have shut down. The eco fascists are killing Europe.
Can you import them? I know they’re heavy as hell but it would seem wood stoves are going to be in high demand in Europe for the next few years
Yhea maybe from India or somewhere. Its up for grabs!
What style wood stove is in demand? The old style cookers or the pot belly fireplace for space heating?
Would be cool to stick a couple of ASICS in one of these and organize home heating with excess heat.
The gast iron ones are easier to get hold of. The ones most in demand with 1 + year lead times are more modern convection owns like contura 330 and the like. https://www.varmefag.no/peis-ovn/contura-330g-peisovn
I am not really up to speed on the whole situation across Europe and different styles. My initial comment stems from only one source/shop and I have not had time to do further research.
But its safe to say wood burning stoves and ovens are in high demand, and supply is hampered by the covid lockdown, war sanctions, and the energy crises.
Think about it this way: Nuclear power is like FIAT. With a very high time preference. You get energy now and make astronomical high dept on the future. Waste equals dept. Mankind will not be able to get rid of it in the next 100.000 years.
Understanding #Bitcoin means realizing, that nuclear power is not a option at all.
This may or may not be a mistake long term. Either way, they can afford it.
Human caused climate change hoax is the batshit insane part, this just follows from that.
I also thought of this, but if you see how much of Germany's energy usage (not only electricity) and the price per source, it's not that bad.
Until some weeks ago I was all for atomic energy, but after I saw this data I see that it actually is not the bottleneck