Games have a concept of "incremental discovery. Where higher level of complexity is revealed over time. I wish social profiles had a concept like this, where I have normie posts on my main feed, but I also have obscure posts that I don't want others to see unless they dig more into subtopics I post, a kind of

"subprofile". I have lots of posts on linux I would like to post but I know most of my follows might not care for it. It would be nice if you could go to someones profile and subscribe to their “subfeeds”.

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I love the idea.

On Google+ we used Circles for these, where you posted specific content to your Lninx circle. Only people that you followed and added to your Linux circle could see it. This worked well for a while, but eventually it seemed apparent that the fire hose method worked better. Then later we pivoted to Communities, and they seemed to work great for specific content. We have Communities here now on Nostr. Go post to /n/Linux or make your own!

I don’t really want to post in a community though. I just want a small categorized feed of linux things im doing that people can choose to subscribe to or ignore without polluting my main feed

Your own Linux community is essentially what you're describing though. Aren't the results the same? It's yours. You control the content that goes into it. People can choose to follow or join your community. You could even add a posting feature on Damus that allows you to post to your profile or a specific community from a list of your communities. This is how it worked on G+.

Im not starting a community. Im sending linux posts into the wild. It’s just a profile derived/linked to your main

Ah googels+. Don't get me started on wave

Very interesting idea. Ponder this, I will.

Love it.

Like a rabbit hole of social discovery.

This is a great, novel idea.

Great idea! Subprofiles for niche interests on social media would be a game-changer.

This would likely have to be a new kind, since most clients would ignore any categorization on kind 1 posts

Alternatively it could be a new identity derived from your main pubkey 🤔. Then it could either use your using profile or use a new one just for that. Maybe this is the way.

Finally, a use for bip85

Haha maybe 🧐

I use BIP85 all the time

Shouldn’t.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Why?

Two wallets, one source of entropy. Secondary wallet has no safeguards against getting rugged.

To clarify, I’m specifically against the touted bip85 usecase to Uncle Jim style wallet management for another person here. Just use a multisig.

I never understood the point of it. I just use wallet passphrases if i need a new root wallet.

I use it for small stuff where I don’t want to have to type a passphrase; maybe with the Q1 that’ll change

Got that fucking right, fucking rodents, and this because knew they were, yet couldn’t.

Nobody is fucking arguing about the fucking corporate corpses that are about to surfaced, but the earthquake is a rodents premature ejaculation.

Fucking embarrassing.

What the fuck do you think that thing in your hand does you fucking asshole.

How is that diffusion working out asshole? Not quite temporal tight, is it?

Like fucking amateurs

But I fucking have.

😉

Standing there with what’s going here slapped all over that chevy chase

Singing somewhat flat there besides being fucking off beat.

Fucking embarrassing. And these are supposed to be what? Diffusion was?

Fuck em

Personas. Cool idea.

nxpub.com for sale, 5m!

Yeah, some way to post anonymously, but be able to reveal that it is you would be good. Sometimes you want to share something with a group that you don't want the general public knowing

Why not just make new pubkeys for the different topics “will’s Linux takes” etc and maybe a kind 30000 that lists all your “themed pubkeys” and maybe pin the list lr showcase it on your kind 0

Yes this is probably the best way to do it

Of course, then you’d have to add the ability to have multiple profiles in Damus.

That way is all normal, no new compatibilities to write and when you want to give more visibility to a certain note from your themed pubkey you just repost it

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This pubkey and its notes are created using something like this using nostr:npub1w0rthyjyp2f5gful0gm2500pwyxfrx93a85289xdz0sd6hyef33sh2cu4x ‘s /lists stuff the pk of this pubkey is encrypted and stored as an event so for the user is just “post as X”

So other clients can pick up on this and choose to show these sub-npubs on a users main profile as well?

Yes. There is a social app o Fediverse called "diaspora" that as the concept called "aspects", but it's you who define who you put on this list. In hubzilla I think you have a profile and "channels" that followers can subscribe, this is more like you're saying and more useful.

or mute them?

“Linux is cool n/linux”

“Gaming is Life p/gaming”

instead of muted words, it’s mute a topic from a specific profile

client blocks all notes from the profile

they follow with that tag

Your thought here is very much in the realm of human identity. I feel you are on the cusp of exploring the incompatibilities of digital identity and human identity. What do you think?

Not sure what you mean

I’m literally running STIGS scans on an oracle Linux server as I type this out lol. By all means LINUX away.

Love it 💜

maybe lists can do that - I have on my twitter lists for various topics and I don't follow the users in that list.

This would make lists more effective because you could add someones knitting subprofile to your knitting list

Now you're talking!

Facets of a persona. My mother tongue is German but I never write German as most would be irritated. Should I maintain a secondary account? And one for my hobby and one for my job and one for my favorite music ... ?

AI will fix this soon and translate, summarize or mute stuff on the receivers' end.

Its to reduce noise for people who want to follow you for a specific topic

I understand. And you are self-censoring in order to provide your followers a better experience by sticking to what you think they follow you for.

An AI could guess that and filter, translate or re-word posts.

So say I follow you because of Damus and never interact with any of your "gm" posts. My personal AI could hide the latter and summarize your longer posts on non-Damus topics and provide a button to read the original. My client could put your feed in the shape best suited for me. Once all use such tech, you could stop self-censoring.

Subprofiles, subfeeds, subkeys. I was just thinking about the need for this, last week.

Different use case, but game related. I want to be able to pust a number of parameterized replaceable events. But I want to use a key linked to my key, but not my actual key. So that if it is compromised, I can just start a new one.

I want to be able to say from my parent profile, this is one of my subs. Perhaps it could go alongside nip-05 but be an array.

Not delegation but more like parent / child relationship, and also I suspect useful for bots/workers etc.

maybe for anonymous subprofiles, these are ones you want to display on your profile

Then they wouldn't have to dig as hard.... but that would definitely work to organize your postings. It's a good idea.

sounds like we need xnpub and hd addresses 😬

overkill probably

Nais sneakers

You shop there?

well you're already killing it, so just continue

I want this, I don’t want multiple nsecs, if I have multiple nsecs for pseudonymity I want those pseudonyms to have this with out multiple nsecs for that account.

yup, could be as simple as topic_identity = sha2(privkey + topic) and then you just publish these pubkeys as a list with the topic name

This would be so useful for nip 23 as well

Maybe this is new feature or maybe sub-account would do the trick? Like list of welllnown thematic npubs shown in profile. Not perfect i know

Yes it would be like this, except with derived subkeys so you only need to think about your main nsec

That is a great great idea.

Nostr with a nemesis system

This is basically how posting to Communities works, right?

nope

I don’t know, the Royal Mail as wel has been proven flawed, and infected with rodents, just like the American federal services, like the post.

✉️

#LFG

This is an interesting idea for introducing nostr-specific concepts. Sign up with username/email address, then reveal the key that was created after some time. Then, reveal relays, new event kinds, DVMs, etc

this is a great idea.

its used on blogs all the time.

Utility software design can learn so much from game designs.

I’ve always thought we could use content specific relays for this, but most clients read/write all content from all your relays.

Interesting idea.

As for Linux posts. Bring it on.

Sounds like a moderated community of yourself. :)

maybe content tiers?

and users will have different tiers for different people, dependant on who they interact more with? 🤔

Private feed is coming on Amethyst.

hmm, invite only?

Wedding crashing bruh

🤚🏻

All the bananas in the world

Who gives a good shot whether rodents are around

🤡

Paid monthly subscription to another user.

We are not that famous 😅

will the user have the option to pay a higher amount than requested, if the subscriber so wishes?

Sure. As long as there is a monthly zap on the subscription, you will receive those private notes.

Any nips for private notes? Just Gift Wrap normal notes and then send to other subscribers?

Yep, unsigned kind 1, sealed, GiftWrapped :)

Its just subaccount lists with derived keys

No need for new key management. Just a topic people can subscribe to.

This type of content management would be really helpful.

I hate that people on twitter must be one thing and stay consistent with, otherwise your followers will be so confused.

My personality is not one thing.

Adopting nip72 would be way overkill for this simple usecase.

Yep, but managing multiple accounts per topic gets annoying very quickly. It's hard to visualize people adopting it.

All clients already support it

Adopting moderated communities is a bigger ask. Its complicated and has opinionated moderation schemes. This would work out of the box in all clients and is just UX work for making it nice when composing

The work of composing multiple keys in the same UI is feels larger (fundamentally different architecture) than the work to implement communities. Then users will have different accounts and for each account different sub-accounts, which can all have more sub accounts... etc.

Also, you don't need to support actual moderation for this.

This complexity is not imposed on any other client. I can’t see how building whole reddit style communities into UIs is easier.

Right?

Well it kinda is. Every other client will see different accounts and not subaccounts nicely merged together. People will have to follow 5 Wills, one for each topic. They will appear duplicated as if they were different personnas, which is not the expected UI on the Damus user.

Imagine seeing 5 Will with my the same picture and then a 6th as a scammer. Everything gets more confusing to those not merging subkeys as one.

I am not against the idea. It's just not as "free" as you are describing.

Good point

But don't talk him out of it >_<

Thats the whole point, i dont want people following them unless they explicitly want to. I dont want them on my main account.

Im also not against a separate kind but pubkeys seemed more backwards compatible with other clients and moderated communities doesn’t seem it either

Fully separate identities are backwards compatible and will work well in all/most clients.

The Damus' user creating 5 or 15 accounts thinking that people will only see one of them, or a UI that nicely manages together, is not backwards compatible at all. It breaks the UX for everybody else.

to other clients it would look like regular accounts. If other clients don’t support subaccount listing then thats fine, you can still discover the posts using existing techniques

What you are telling me is that you don't see how not supporting subaccounts breaks these clients user experience. That's fine, but I am telling you, it will suck for them. It will become very confusing if this becomes highly used.

I am saying this because the average Amethyst user has 2+ independent accounts logged into in the same phone. So, I know people will use this if you develop it. The difference is that with Amethyst they are different personnas. They generally don't share the same name or picture. So, It doesn't break the user experience. It's a clean separation.

But they are not different, it will be very confusing for those not implementing it.

I never said they had to share the same profile

Correct. But you also didn't say they must be different. If the default is going to be the same, then it will break the UX. Otherwise it can work.

I really don’t know what you’re on about. This doesn’t affect your client at all

🍿

Like I said, it depends a lot on how you implement.

You can make it backwards compatible by just implementing in a way that they look like fully different accounts or completely break backward compatibility by making these accounts look similar.

I still think implementing communities is way easier than any of this, but I gave up trying to convince you so. :)

Do both. From a user end, they both support each other.

Though nostr:npub1xtscya34g58tk0z605fvr788k263gsu6cy9x0mhnm87echrgufzsevkk5s ‘s idea grants the individual more control, and lets us build our own community.

More or less, are you showing notifications for all accounts in a single view? Same for DMs and chats? Can people message the sub account?

People would send messages and interact normally with the second key and thus either user treats them as fully separate accounts (which every client can do) or clients can try to merge all sub keys in the same profile. But that requires implementation. No one has the later yet.

Don’t you dare go slothful with me now, son.

Its stupidity should not be a factor of nippablity.

Rules are rules, and structures are structured for a good reason.

Now chop chop

NIP-26 Delegated Key Signing?

This would enable the possibility for things way beyond something as simple as “community topics”. The things you could do with subkeys, would go far beyond notes.

Yes

I get the idea, but as someone who hates social media and only uses it as a tool, this isn’t my personal gig.

I want high signal from those I follow, and I don’t want to work for someone’s attention online.

What you’re describing sounds (to me) more like those alt-reality engagers who hook you with a few little things then draw you into their creepy / artistic world-view.

And while I’m totally great with that, again…I only want social media to work for me for a few minutes a day ( a few more when I’m drunk ) and don’t want to make it my main-line.

My 2 sats, not worth even that.

If you want high signal then this is actually a feature you want (only follow topics that interest you)

Im totally in support of this idea. Especially for posts in different languages.

It’s very useful.

If some could be set private, it would help the family photo use case. If some could be invite only, could help use cases where one might want limited commenting privileges. Businesses would want this. Follow for smoothie coupons, or follow for corporate announcements. Musicians: follow 1 for concert announcements and new releases from the band, follow 2 for the lead singer's musings

i wanna split my post to different languages sub feeds

This is btw the same reason for why Nostr is growing so fast compared to other protocols.

The fact that initial protocol is super simple lures in the developers and then they grow together with the protocol as there are more features, nips, apps, services added, causing a positive feedback loop.

Compare this to some of the other protocols where some team blessed us with a complex spec after 4 years of work.

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Yepp, multiple feeds sounds useful! I could imagine using them to split up my german and english posts 😅.

This can be gold long-term, though ironically I do see a risk of overcomplication for noobs today. Right now the zeitgeist seems to about making onboarding as simple as possible.

In All Follows, I gotta be honest and say I miss almost all o fit. I view the feed for a few minutes at a time, catching some recent history, then reply or post. I do use kind:30000 lists so in the context of a very small one of those, I could see wanting just the linux posts.

Profiles are more niche. I visit these mostly when someone follows me or makes a meaningful reply. There I'm trying to get an overview of who they are so I like to see everything though if they had 2-3 subprofiles and I wanted to follow them, I might follow a single subprofile or exclude one right at the start. Long-term however I can see this being much more valuable as interests drift but say I still want to get your linux posts.

Really interesting idea altogether. I've thought of this as "channels" and created a Bitcoiner account to try to do this but as a separate account it doesn't really work. A dropdown or tag on each post could work!

This can be gold long-term, though ironically I do see a risk of overcomplication for noobs today. Right now the zeitgeist seems to about making onboarding as simple as possible. I go deeper in a reply to this post.

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I love the Idea but wouldn't it be better to handle this client side? Might be annoying for me to handle subfeeds as well.

This sounds like a very nice idea, but might be a little tricky to implement?

This is what made Google+ my favorite social network. I could choose to share posts to individual circles, like Bitcoin, without sharing to my other more mainstream circles.

That sounds like communities on twitter but is not really what I’m suggesting here. There is no group or community to post to.

❤️ this.

✅ better discovery of niche topics

✅ more focus on areas of agreement and interests

Think of all the opportunities and connections lost because people are upset over one area of disagreement.

And the flip side of people not talking about something because of fear of putting off people in their network.

Not just video games, this is much more akin to real life as well.

When I meet someone new at a pickup basketball game, I don’t also see their views on abortion, Covid, etc.

In real life most people have boundaries by default and only incrementally explore different aspects of acquaintances as they wish.