Do we *actually* want 4chan here?
I know I know, nostr is for everyone etc etc, but do you actively want to encourage that migration?
#asknostr #4chan
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Yes, for the lolz
No please there's enough nazis coming from the monster bridge
Don't worry, they will leave in less than a week, as is tradition on Nostr.
Monster bridge is a hilarious slip of the tongue btw π
Honestly not even the worst part of it. Some spergy kids saying Nazi rubbish and edgelord crap would be the least of it. I'm mostly thinking of the paedo stuff they do. They are quite tediously insistent with it and annoyingly justify it as some sort of 'test' of freedom or something other bullshit
Yeah let's not do that
Mostr is mostly LGBTPEDO+ indentity Marxists. I block mostr. pub
I feel sorry for nostr:nprofile1qqsfnz2sqsflkatdssmeztxr90s8xrd7r07xkhfwaa6eu9zkcguljpgprpmhxue69uhkc6t8dp6xu6twvaex2mrp0yhxxmmdqyv8wumn8ghj7am9d33k7mt99ehx7um5wgh8w6twv5q3kamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wwphhyar9d4hkuetjduhxxmmdh047hg mostly, they've already got a rough ol' time.
Honestly mass influx would hurt my experience rn most likely
You canβt choose who joins or stays
4chan has some anarchists and hackers and stuff, so yes
Digit liked 4chan at some point in the past too so another yes
Seems like a "fuck it, yolo" moment
Is Q still a thing?
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqnjst6azswskk5gp3ns8r6nr8nj0qg65acu8gaa2u9yz7yszjxs9sxh02y3 There are like 30 people on 4chan the rest were just intelligence agencies gas lighting those 30 people into committing hate crimes.
Lol maybe.
I suspect 4chan numbers were pretty huge.
Maybe lurkers more than anything. Not sure what their active user count was but it's probably 1000x nostr.
You donβt think there are Feds here already?
I have no idea. I would guess maybe, potentially, probably left like everyone else lol
They pull all notes into a relay they control and AI analyze them.
No we do not.
I know next to nothing about 4chan, is it just degenerates or what is it?
Hmm it has a reputation for being a place where memes emerge from (and everyone else copies). But it also has a lot of spergs sperging away.
it was one of the better internet forums once upon a time
basically, anyone can post a picture plus comment anonymously
replies constitute a thread
threads are grouped into 'boards' by interest (politics, guns, various forms of pornography, etc)
threads are shown in order of most recent reply
only a limited number of threads is shown at any one time one any given board, with the oldest ones being deleted
so it herds people into a limited number of conversations but you can create your own conversation if you'd prefer
It was the most wonderful and most awful place on the whole Internet.
No
No normies
And especially no 4chan normies.
Can't we make Nostr apps a bit less user friendly? Like requiring a lightning wallet otherwise it does not work?
everyone should be here.
More is better
Sure everyone should/can be here.
But really the question is do you *actually WANT* and seek to encourage it (and all that it entails), but I suppose your second part of the answer answers this is.
'More is better.'
I suspect people like nostr:nprofile1qqsfnz2sqsflkatdssmeztxr90s8xrd7r07xkhfwaa6eu9zkcguljpgprpmhxue69uhkc6t8dp6xu6twvaex2mrp0yhxxmmdqyv8wumn8ghj7am9d33k7mt99ehx7um5wgh8w6twv5q3kamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wwphhyar9d4hkuetjduhxxmmdh047hg probably feel differently(?), they're doing most of the filtering of the awful stuff for us.
It's also may be matter of when, do you think it would perhaps cement a reputation (nostr has a bit of a bitcointwitter2 reputation atm, but barely, because barely anyone has even heard of nostr).
Just some thoughts.
I don't have to follow them
Medium.
It would still fall under weird
Anyone have any idea of a realistic daily active users on 4chan, I suspect it had majority lurkers.
However it would only take a small fraction of 4chan to join nostr to make everyone currently here a minority userbase I suspect.
Weren't they responsible for tracking down and stealing Shia Labouf's he will not divide us flag by analyzing flight paths of planes in the live stream?
And orchestrating the infamous "Hitler Did Nothing Wrong" Mountain Dew customer-named flavor?
Top-tier trolling to say the least.
right now? not really, but i also am aware like you are, that this is a protocol for all - not a platform. but ideally those that do will want to run relays, zap sats, and help build out the infrastructure.
nostr:nprofile1qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnddaehgu3wwp6kyqpqnjst6azswskk5gp3ns8r6nr8nj0qg65acu8gaa2u9yz7yszjxs9sxh02y3 I can't wait, 4chan geting hacked is a white pill.
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How so? π€
The best Nostr motto by far is: **Keep Nostr weird**.
they can have their own relays and we will have ours
I will not be engaging with any 4chan-type content on here
Not sure what a typical 4chan user looks like, but we still have the Mute button..
Who are βweβ to decide? Nostr is a permissionless protocol, open to anyone. Just as anyone can use it, anyone can moderate their own feed with relays and clients.
I know I know. I was more just seeing if there was actually an appetite for it. Seeing what the general vibe was.
yes! i just DONT want my RL friends & family here lol
hahahaha lol i'm with you on that
I'm fully prepared for Nostr to all but die out, however I would still love if it got flooded with people. Bitcoin losers suck, but still, the more people of any flavor the better this platform's potential.
I suspect nostr will die out and then be remember by someone in the future and brought back but without the baggage and reputation. Perhaps. Who knows how this plays out. Just my gut feeling.
I remember Verita I think said that once Nostr users have to deal with stuff they don't like, they are going to implement pretty strong censorship and isolation, just like with the fediverse. If someone doesn't have the most vanilla beliefs then their notes will be rejected by the majority of relays. For an extreme compatison, take a look at the "pediverse", a collection of ActivityPub instances with a whole bunch of pedophilia posts. If the only place where your notes aren't ignored by relays is a small archipeligo of relays then how is Nostr any different from ActivityPub or Mastadon?
That's the prediction and criticism as I remember it. I think the prediction makes a lot of sense. Everyone has a different idea of what speech and free speech are, and I expect that the people involved with Nostr won't see any issue with cutting out any notes that don't meet those subjective standards.
Where I differ from Verita is in the idea that this outcome wouldn't be meaningfully different from ActivityPub's circumstances. For me, I used to have a niche community of outcasts whom I may not have trusted to accept me, but whom I at least trusted to insult me to my face. And then I lost the ability to post to that community, with not so much as a warning or a "you've been banned" message. To this day, none of the users have a clue that something even happened.
When I look around on the fediverse and the rest of the internet, I see plenty of other platforms that I can see myself trusting and that I think would allow me to post freely. However, I know that no matter what, I will never feel right posting on a platform like that. If I continued posting on sites where third parties can wield absolute control over the ability for two users on the platform to interact, I would get a nasty feeling in my gut. It doesn't matter how much I trust the site and it's administration because I need to go by a different standard now.
This is speculative until nostr actually attracts a large enough group of people who aren't libertarians. I have a feeling that most relay operators and devs will be quite welcome to have some sort of variety of political ideology and content here. I suppose this hasn't been tested yet.
I think paedophilia content will not be accepted and it think it should be blocked.
But I don't think left / right wing communities would be welcomed. However I see absolutely no interest in left or right wing people joining nostr in any significant numbers any time soon.
I do wonder what relay operators and client devs would do in the very real possible scenario of the British government shutting them down with legal threats and fines for hosting right wing views.
It's easy to run your own relay. I run mine on a VPS that costs about $30 annually. Even if other relays don't accept my notes, that relay always will. Many clients already support outbox, so the need for big main relays is getting to be less.
This isn't even an issue if your not worried about wide availability and just want your own community. Just have a relay for your community.
Sorry for the late reply, but if all we care about are users we already know and if we are all willing to run our own relays then there is no difference in censorship resistance between Nostr and Mastadon.
Heck, if you aren't worried about wide availability then you don't need even need it to be a microblogging platform; just use something like Wordpress and make an ordinary blog.
The advantage of Nostr is that the ability to discover and interact with a new user is not up to a third party administrator. It's up to the users themselves being lucky enough to win the relay roulette, choosing a relay that aligns with their values and interests and displays the other's notes. This still is not even close to ideal, but it is currently far better than any other platform when it comes to connecting users and being able to find posts about things you are interested in.
You always own your notes on Nostr, Not so on fedi. Outbox will solve a lot of these issues, once the major clients (Damus & Primal) implement it that will be a huge boost. Nostr is still early in development (3 years compared to mastadons 10), so there's time to develop other ways of transmitting notes between users. I remember using identi.ca 15 users ago, federated networks have come a long way since then. Nostr isn't in its final form either.
Damus and Primal aren't doing outbox yet?
The outbox model is great for user based note aggregation, but it is absolutely useless for topic based note aggregation. Personally, I very rarely care what users my notes come from. What I care about is what topics the notes are about. I believe that being able to use relays with your values and relays supporting notes on a given topic is far more important than being able to find a relay that supports notes from a user you like.
I wouldn't count on "[N]otes and [O]ther [ST]uff over [R]elays" to transmit notes in other ways. I believe the direction Nostr needs to go is toward relay auditing and transparency. Unfortunately I haven't heard anyone else advocating for this. I don't believe that self sovereignty advocates on Nostr fully understand the assignment here.
Run your own relay.
Run your own blog. Run your own ActivityPub instance. If all you care about is being able to store your thoughts on an internet box that nobody else will ever visit without specifically looking for it then Nostr provides nothing new.
I don't know why you keep repeating that Nostr allows you to own your own notes. Yes, Nostr is yet another platform that allows this. Why are you picking here and now to emphasize this point? Did I say something to contradict that point? If users are expected to run their own relays then what makes Nostr special?
https://blossom.primal.net/ea97ce80bb0b833c64026e2cab62973588bf8f04ab34cec3034d1fe09c1f474f.mp4
Boring conversation anyways π
Thanks for participating in this conversation, especially since you say you found it boring. I found it very interesting.
It's just the same old boring points. I can't fix your complaints, so I don't feel like continuing a useless conversation. No hard feelings, it's just pointless and a waste of my time. βοΈ
See that's the thing: I AM talking about Libertarians. Libertarians are just as arbitrary as anyone else with their speech definitions. They all gladly support a variety of political ideology and content, but some people's beliefs and posts conveniently won't meet these operators' standards for "political ideology" or "content".
Go ahead and tell me your subjective opinions about what counts as free speech. You say that pedo content should be blocked; do you consider pedo content to be speech?
I think Nostr is more than prepared for the attention of individual nations. I am skeptical about several parts of the Nostr protocol, but when it comes to the kind of legal threat you wonder about, it is clear to me that Nostr was designed with that as a central consideration. The answer is that people will migrate their servers to countries that are more free and the network will be unaffected.
I'm not much of a libertarian, nor a free speech maximalist. I'm not sure I'm all that interested in that discussion either really tbh. I'm not sure what nostr people would argue along those lines of it being an iteration of free speech. I'm totally ok with paedo content being blocked.
I can see your point that political ideologies (both left and right) being potentially unwelcome, but there is the opportunity for people to make clients and host relays. I don't really know much about the infrastructure of Nostr tbh and I'm not going to pretend I do. I also don't see this happening any time soon, if it does happen at all.
The right wing fairly ok on twitter, and a lot of the left. Perhaps not happy, but at least not extremely disgruntled, or perhaps left and right are equally disgruntled but not budging from twitter lol. (And the libs have bluesky Β―β \β _β (β γβ )β _β /β Β―). So I don't really think it'll be something to worry about now/near future.