🇨🇭Switzerland just voted ‘yes’ to Digital ID 👇🏼
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Oh dear.
There’s nowt as queer as folk.
Nuts
Poor Lugano peeps
Sad.
Switzerland is doing weird things. They also voted in favour of public transport for 1 CHF a day flat fee for public transport in Zurich as one of the most expensive cities in the world. For socialists it sounds like free stuff but it never actually covers true costs. In some weird way it is a price control mechanism from Fidel Castro. Alerta, Alerta 🚨
RIP Switzerland. My thoughts are with my beautiful friends in 🇨🇭
What a sad day. SMH 🤦♂️
Next stop: socialism
Wait, what? They bundled tax relief with digital id voting?
Yes it’s a psychological trick to get a yes for something obvious and then people are more likely to say yes to the other thing too…
Why would anyone support tax relief for multinational corporations while workers taxes are being increased anyway?
Makes absolutely no sense that increasing taxes on workers to make up for giving tax relief to corporations would even be popular
Oh ok my mistake this is about Switzerland not USA lol
It takes the carrot and doesn't complain, or else it gets the stick again.
A digital Identification will be used to positively identify people who dissagree with their government and punish them into complience. Why can't people voting on these policies see the obvious?
We should now debate which is more insidious:
- Core v30
- Digital Identification (CBDC)
This won’t end in a Fondue…
Why do they need this? What is the benefit to the population?
I'm pretty sure that this complete loss of privacy and mass surveillance of our private lives that they want to push is for our own good…
As I always say, 99% of people are stupid, so that's not really a surprise.
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eID can go bad really quickly. But if done right it can bring a lot of good.
How do you do it right? Strong privacy laws. Create laws that define sectors, government, finance, health, commerce, and disallow by laws sharing information between these sectors.
Add high compensation with no need to prove damage + poison apple laws and eID will be a force for good
Why is it deemed necessary though. Any totalarian policy or initiate can be argued the same way. Governments caused chaos in the first place and this is the fix.
Necessary? Nothing is really necessary 😄 we just like to be comfortable.
Just like Mises said, all action is aimed to remove discomfort. This eID can make the life easier. And the people who pushing eID are using this to convince people to adopt eID.
We can't convince people that the additional added value isn't worth the risk of government control. It's ha d for people to measure risk.
We can educate people regarding the importance of privacy. If people will push for stringer privacy laws, not only will eID become safe, we will gain greater economical freedom.
I beg to differ
Privacy needs to be fought for constantly despite the temptation and convenience etc of non privacy options
This Ben Franklin quite says it quite well:
"Those who would give up essential liberty to purchase a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
I am not sure we differ that much.
Privacy is indeed something that needs to be fought for constantly. It is mostly a political battle regarding *laws* and it is fought using *philosophical* reasoning. Not technology.
Technology in itself is neutral. With the right legal framework, backed by the right philosophy, eID can be a force for good.
We should focus on spreading the correct philosophy and less trying to fight technology
What’s that saying about Turkeys and Christmas?
Talk about shooting yourself in the foot 🔫🦶
If we are to have e-ID, sounds like the best one going. Swiss rejected a private company managed system in 2021. New system is 100% government run and managed with privacy focus. Data, such as is this person over 18, is stored locally on device and only proofs are transferred, not names. It's voluntary and because it requires full referendum to change the system, probably less corruptible.
If a system like this works, then we could dismantle shadow ID systems. Shadow ID is the real problem. Attack surveillance capitalism at the source, its free data collection, hoarding and AI inclusion. Only allow collection of data if approved by the user via an e-ID zero knowledge proof. Then make data users pay for the use of that data and end surveillance capitalism.
Thanks! Are you Swiss?
Not Swiss, just looked up the details on Grok as I found it hard to believe the Swiss were putting in a dystopian system like the UK and others are proposing.
Guys, you are still voting? =]><
I don't understand how this can be legally binding if less than half of the swiss population (9Mio.) even voted.
Anyways, truly sad news
Never underestimate the desire of the masses to be controlled by a higher authority ... they need a strong charismatic leader to resist them ... 😂
Bye bye #Switzland 😵 #NOSTR #YESTR
#Swiss #DigitalID #CBDC #Surveillance #Slavery #SocialCredit #Centralization #Communism #Obey #Rekt #Gackt #Fucked #GFY #HFSP #WTF #WTFSTR
tax relief plus digital ID wow
Democracy is a scam
It’s Swiss big cities that voted for e-ID, the rest of the country voted no
if people stay blind, this is how control gets locked in
#bitcoin
Turkeys voting for Christmas
Sounds scary but I need more info to know
I must admit I'm surprised.
Most of the time the Swiss seem to be well informed.
Another piece of weight on the scale to move inside the EU or move outside the EU 🙄
Switzerland is the belly of the beast.
You're kidding me. They voted to enslave themselves.
lol, they got themselves done. In the UK at least we’ve been petitioning against it hahah
#sourlaughs
voting is a psyop
I voted yes. Here is why:
We already rejected a proposal for an E-ID a couple years ago where the whole thing was run by a private company. Opponents and privacy advocacy groups had a long long list of complaints.
So what they did is they got all this groups on board and redesigned the whole thing. It is now run by fedpol, the gov police branch that already issues the normal ID and passport. It is implemented in a way that you only reveal information that is required. You can for example prove that you are over 18 without revealing any other information than just true/false. There is no tracking where or how you use it.
"but it will lead to unfree internet". Yeah that is already comming. Your gouvernments will force an E-ID on you without asking if the implementation is accepable. If they set the standard we will inevitability be forced to adopt the shit they are producing or outsource to google and apple. I don't want the garbage that comes out of your pseudo democracies.
So this is our only chance to get an E-ID that is as privacy respecting as possible.
Thanks for sharing.
I would not vote yes. And of course your choice is respected - free will.
To say that it's inevitable is to say that your government doesnt work for you. So how can you then say that you'll get the one you want in the first place by voting for it?
These things are not inevitable. The state wants you to think it is all powerful, but in reality, every action it takes is a reaction to the behaviors of it's population, or to external state actors. Their power is always tenuous and one angry buffalo can cause a stampede.
To ask a question asked below but not directed at you, how does a swiss person actually benefit from the e-id? Not how does it benefit from this version over the inevitable version, you already shared your thoughts on that, but how do you benefit from the existence of this system in Switzerland?
I don't think the government is working for me, but in Switzerland we have a lot of tools to course correct and stop the worse, or change things completely against their wishes.
The problem isn't the government in our case, but I'm pretty certain that age restrictions for adult content, games and even social media is actuallt popular in the wider population. This may not be apparentinf you suround yourself with libertarians or whatever who are completely detached from regular people.
As for what it can do for me? I think it will be an incredible tool for our direct democracy, as it will make digital signing of referendums and popular initiatives possible, which will significantly lower the cost to block unwanted changes by parliament. It also invreases accessability for government services for people with disabilities.
As for the promise that it is complete optional. we have the tools to hold them accountable. Ironically the E-ID even made those tools stronger.
Ya and your country just abducted 500 foreign humanitarians in international waters...
Oh and has murdered 20,000 kids so far, and starved 700,000.
Perspective is required.