This is the huge problem today, if you dont own the fruits of yourn labour, you are a slave. There is no ifs or buts, that is a fact. The same with property.
Erwin Schiff (Peter's father) covered this well and wrote a good book on it. Legally you dont have to pay income tax - the problem is that this is anyway ignored.
he used the wrong approach and was unecessarily public and loud - also, as a jewish atheist he was all alone out there - cant offer the sovereign a legitimate or peaceful deal with the real King and Logos of Law at the root.
this is an invaluable resource for explorers of these magicks - check out Irwin's entry on p.60:
Thanks for the link. He had a tragic end, losing his eye sight in prison. I think trying to fight the system and their own game won't work, we can only have collapse now of the dollar and hopefully all fiat
Samourai learned this the hard way. You canβt win in a game where the rule enforcers, rule makers, and rule interpreters are the same people.
Its like playing monopoly where all properties are owned with hotels on them. Who wants to play that rigged game?
you guys are letting your vaginas show...
many people who KNOW WHAT THE LAW SAYS have decided to FOLLOW THE LAW amd have safely, peacefully and permanently walked away from participating in the criminal illegality of it all...
but suit yourselves - you either want to be a law abiding human being or you dont. you either want to keep the private rights to your own finite labor and time or you want to take it up the ass by faceless and nameless bureaucrats...
the mass of spineless scum have always said the same fucking thing that you two said above which is why you two are in that position - along with hundreds of millions of others...
its also premature, faggots, as NEITHER of you have done enough homework to make an educated and informed decision...
which means all if my efforts here were in vain... FUCKING LAME.
stop being little feminine sabateurs and do some fucking work before you groan about the impossibility of it and lean on idolatry for salvation...
it is, in fact, your duty - whether you like it or not.
what else is fucking new?
you:
I appreciate the info and pointers, I have been in contact with people who have followed that path (Strawman legaliese etc) but at the end of the day, the results have been negligible. Fighting the system in this way is pointless. The NPCs working for fiat dont give a flying fuck what the law says, just obey who pays them.
The presentation by John Harris covers it quite well in the UK.
Whilst I do believe you can exit the system and stop paying the taxes, electric, water bills etc . There are many other consequences to live by too which you need to take into consideration - it is a constant battle, you can't make use of many things in their system easily etc..
You can more easily move to more friendlier places, off grid, away from cities etc..
how tragic that this is what the spirit of youth has become...
pathetic.
enjoy getting raped unto death, i guess...
and then judged.
LOL. I'm not a young whipper snapper anymore man. I've done plenty of fighting the system in my time thank you.
In case you missed the compliance during covid, the majority are NGMI. It is a save yourself scenario now.
this right here proves that you are junping the gun with your sample of "strawman legalese" (btw calling it that reveals you probabky have done very little deep work for yourself on the topic - because my trusted sources would never call their position anything like that, neither champion - secular, or SEDM - faithful) morons and have been premature in your reticence - but who cares?
As Sun Tzu said , dont fight where the enemy ia strong or that what is well defended. - but you do you!
its not like that...
its not a fight. its a lawful and peaceful retreat centered on simply correcting your own administrative record to reflect your proper legal status...
the enemy is not "the government" or even its agents...
the enemy is the ignorance in our own minds.
that can only be "fought" with personal study and individual corrective actions...
faith is a wonderful thing and miracles and grace happen, are happening, and will continue to regardless of whether fear and cowardice rule in the hearts of most men.
Thats an interesting perspective and I dont agree with it. Better to focus on battles you can win without putting your freedom at risk and separated from friends and family.
sounds about you.
but see, you are not free so you already lost...
and your poor friends and family - forcing them to be a stand-in compromise proxy for your failures at integrity is nasty dude.
and it can NEVER be rewarding on the death bed.
I am free in my mind, that gives me plenty of freedom.
I also recognise we are in a slave system and the exits are being guarded. Until there are enough people, we can't leave anyway.
the mantra of the idiots that got us here - recapitulated!
you are not free in your mind either as you have amply demonstrated throughout this thread...
in fact, you sre so imprisoned that you have precluded yourself from correction due to all the fears...
THERE WILL NEVER BE ENOUGH PEOPLE...
and if there ever is, whcih there wont be, it will have been because of those who took the steps ALONE when there was no reward, but because they had faith, dignity and integrity...
schiff failed and you reference him.
champion won and i reference him.
you lose. i win.
got it?
I am free in my mind because I have my own thoughts and think for myself (re Trivium).
You are taking things too seriously - none of their laws or systems matter. Try to break through the "fourth wall".
Other than common law, all other "laws" are just regulations/rules and need your consent to follow or not.
You have free will to follow or not - but as I mentioned, we live in a might is right system and they will punish you regardless. Its not a battle for me anymore, but I wish you good luck.
yep. serious.
later.
Stop giving the system your attention,.you will then gain mental freedom - withdrawing and not participating as much as possible is also winning.
we cant all be unapologetic narcissists....
someone has to look out for your grandkids.
Thats my job, you need to take care of your own.
we're all one round these parts...
and you caused The Fall.
I didnβt cause shit and Iβm not part of you. I have nothing to do with you. You canβt cause a past event that you werenβt even alive for.
What is a law?
what they did to samurai was entirely legal.
and it was samurai's legal ignorance that got them into that position.
its ALWAYS like that - what they are doing is entirely LEGAL because the population is stupid and wont read what the law says - if you dint know what the law says your defense is retarded and misplaced.
Samurai shouldn't have gone around bragging about dunking on them to get their wrath. This proves, it doesn't matter what the law states, currently we live in a system of might over right.
You can go live outside this system though, but you will still have to deal with Mafia/bandits who want to take from you.
ok im done with your fantasy scenarios... go read or go to hell...
peace.
My focus is on finding out what we are and where we are. These are more pressing problems IMO.
yeah you do seem a bit lost...
i might suggest that the finding is in the doing and discovering "where" is in the actual looking - stuff that i am asking you to do...
but you do you or whatever it is that sun-tzu having been bastardized by some libertarian tech idolizing nigger said
I've never had such mental clarity until now. I am only lost in so far as the military stops us from exploring the realm and finding out where the fuck we are.
Sun Tzu was right though or? 
Awareness is a weapon.
Privacy is a weapon.
Anonymity is a weapon.
Self-cuatody is a weapon.
He is the one every Bitcoiners should read since a lot of adversarial thinking got lost in the NGU mind fuck.
I am so glad that most OGs reunited under Monero where the true fight between state and freedom has been taken place for the last 7 years. Before that they were fighting against BTC.
Bitcoiners believe the perception that a high fiat price means something in this war. Wake up, you've beend duped. Nobody in the controlled world uses BTC. Price follows adoption on the ground not Saylorism and Trump and dumps.
Why are we early Bitcoiners spending so much time here talking to you about Monero.
Because we know awareness is a weapon and Bitcoiners are the most open to join the fight to bring down the state.
Some good points, those are things I am focusing on. Will stack some monero as we are fighting the same cause.
βPrice follows adoptionβ
The free market likes Bitcoin more
Mahood. There is NO free market. What you call the free market is the licensed and controlled white market that pushes fiat numbers baround as if hey mattered.
The free market is the black, the grey (darkn net) market which is ruled by cash and digital cash (Monero). Its prices are as fake as any other thing. Just not the way you think. One gets pumped and the other suppressed.
Fine then call it βthe market.β Bitcoin was doing just fine in terms of price appreciation before government gave bitcoin its blessings. You can also call it purchasing power growth if you donβt want to think in terms of fiat. Still doing better. Idc if the government likes it or doesnβt like it. Itβs a tool that helps my life and I will use it. If the government said steak and eggs are good for you, Iβm not gonna stop eating it.
BTC rose to 20k in 2017 in fiat bucks.
Since then its stagnating. M2 more than doubled, which means 120k in 2025 equals something like 50k in 2017.
We are past the big gains if you are in for that. They tamed it. CBOE started to offer futures late 2017. Since then Bitcoin is under their control.
Retail is steered by the media they control. Outside of manufactured hype nobody can move the markets snumorecagsinst their will.
what happens to mstr in this scenario?
Youβre nitpicking stats gtfo lol also they canβt completely control these markets. Why the fuck would they pump a decentralized currency that threatens the fiat system? Iβm a big conspiracy guy but this is irrational. These people have some influence but they canβt control the world to this level.
Yes. Itβs always been like this.
We will always have to pay homage or bow down to someone bigger, stronger than us. It can be worse in other places.
Donβt say always. You can find ways to avoid these things. Defense is better than revenge. Avoidance is better than defense. Things can and will change for the better imo.
Agree. You can certainly avoid and reduce the impact with some smart moves. Trying fo take on the system is a crazy move, even if you have the law behind you. LOL.
you guys have an utterly retarded and female take on this...
you will be chased down and forced whether in this life or the next...
now, back to your recliner.
The law isnβt a real thing. Itβs a social construct. You cannot prove that laws exist in physical reality. Itβs like the concept of countries and states. These things cannot be identified using any of the human senses: sight, touch, taste, smell, hearing.
godless faggot
Ironic that youβre literally the most despicable person Iβve ever interacted with online and you sit here lecturing people about godliness lmao. Keep worshipping your little illusions pussy GFY.
maybe you guys can put a jpeg of yourselves on the chain sucking on eachothers big black victim cocks and spitting out the solutions you are shared?
i think itll be ready soon so there ya go!
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Says the guy that literally gets on his knees to pray to another man heβs never met. You must really love that Holy Spirit inside you π€£π€£
you are such an infant dude...
go hang out with your mommy, child...
Says the guy who literally refers to another man as father. Go ask your daddy for forgiveness after all these bad words you saidπ€£
Who says we are godless? Take a look at the trivium and understand first principles and you may be able to have a logical conversation.
Exactly this. The same as money, its just a mental construct that people believe in.
Well you can identify money like gold with the senses
The value is abstract though
Correct but the gold physically exists in the world. It is real, not an imaginary construct.
I'd add that value isn't abstract, it's real, but subjective.
Value is subjective but it doesnβt physically exist in the real world so itβs a social construct.
But the value people put to it is. All money is.
What gives the law authority to be applicable toward me?
Your consent - the consent of the governed.
Consent of the governed is an oxymoron. People who are governed cannot consent.
People do consent and participate in the system.
If you canβt say no, then itβs not consent
You can, but there are consequences to it. If you dont do something, like pay taxes voluntarily, people with guns will come to your house. Its up to you if you want to face that, you have a choice.
Itβs not voluntary if someone puts a gun to your head and says βyou must voluntarily pay taxes.β Thatβs like someone putting a gun to a womanβs head and saying have sex with me. Then you say it was voluntary and not rape. If you canβt say no, then itβs not consent. Just because you can choose to die or go to prison does not mean itβs voluntary or consensual.
The main thing is there is a choice. You can also leave the country to avoid it. So 3 choices really. Consent doesnt mean you aren't being coerced and an equal decision.
Thatβs not a choice. Thatβs like saying if you want to be free, you shouldβve been born somewhere else. I shouldnβt have to give up my family, friends, lifestyle, and career just to be free from government theft and harassment.
You shouldn't have to, but the majority consent, and our system is based on who is the strongest gets their way.
You keep repeating that the majority consent. But if people were asked whether they wanted to pay their taxes this year or keep all of their income, majority of people will keep their income. This is not consent. People pay their taxes out of fear. This is actually coercion. Do not confuse the two.
I concede that you could say it is compliance. I would just say, that as you know the system is coercive and still decide to participate, it is more informed consent, although you participate under duress, you could say its not true consent.
Yeah I am doubling down and calling this coercion. Itβs not consent by any means. When you donβt pay taxes, you get letters from the IRS with clear intimidation tactics. Itβll say something along the lines of you respond asap or potentially face large fines and/or imprisonment.
Imagine sending a threatening letter like this to a woman you are trying to date if she refuses to go out with you. If she goes out with you after receiving this later, she has not freely consented. She has been coerced and her interest in dating you is fraudulent.
I see that it is coercion if you view it as having no choice to pay. But you still have a choice to leave and not participate. So you are consenting because you have a choice. Choice however unsavoury to you, is still there. How about you also just do cash jobs, this is another "choice".
Correct. Itβs not about laws or rules or justice. These are all distractions. Smoke and mirrors. Itβs about power and the means to use violence to extort people.
Exactly, and as long as people accept fake money created from nothing for their time/labour, nothing will change for the better
