People are telling me Terms of Service are bad, but I cant figure out which Nostr apps dont require them.
If Nostr is already censorship resistant, and does not follow the law, where do i find the illegal stuff like drugs and edibles or whatever?
How does nostr deal with pedos?
"We're working on it"
drugs, edibles, whatever, its here.
pedos too.
tos or no tos. who f'ing cares. either an app spys or it doesn't. but they all do. don't they?
Witnessing and spying are very different things.
If you can censor one questionable thing then you can censor everything that becomes questionable and everything is questionable to someone so everything eventually becomes questionable so everything eventually gets censored.
For nostr, if you don't want to see something, don't look for it; if you want to find something, search for it. Hashtags work pretty well.
I don't care.
I'm not saying I don't care what you think. I'm just saying I couldn't give one rats ass about any client's CYA statements. Primal wants to boot me? Fine. I have way too many choices of clients.
All of them boot me? Fine, I'd have to figure out how to build one but, Fine. Could probably use a little coding bootcamp.
Unfortunately it isnt that simple.
Nostr is nothing without multiple relays.
Those relays also have legal exposure and requirements.
You running your own client and relay alone is not a network.
Also, clients and relays need to be sustainable as products, or they wont exist or improve. Businesses have to follow laws.
I can still connect to the wider nostr network. That can't be stopped.
By accepting the terms of the relays you fetch their data from :)
And yes, it can be stopped.
They all use icann dns and standard IP addresses.
Are you offering to help the nostr network with your project?
"They all use icann dns and standard IP addresses."
Nostr was designed in a way that you could always find a list of relays just as long as you had access to another relay. You could run an incredibly basic Nostr relay such as Ephemerelay made by nostr:nprofile1qqsqgc0uhmxycvm5gwvn944c7yfxnnxm0nyh8tt62zhrvtd3xkj8fhgprdmhxue69uhkwmr9v9ek7mnpw3hhytnyv4mz7un9d3shjqg4waehxw309aex2mrp0yhxgctdw4eju6t09udnys9x
It's a relay that doesn't even have a database. It only gets you on the network.
Honestly, the same argument has been made about Bitcoin nodes and governments haven't been able to stop them.
Comparing Bitcoin is not useful unless you want to discuss the bad similarities.
Bitcoin nodes do not scale, they are all holding the same data.
This is not possible for the web, because it is much more data.
It doesnt matter if you make relays actual relays (they are just servers typically), you end up needing servers and indexing.
Nostr has no discovery method and no credible exit from such scaled scenario.
So is your scaling solution to have larger centralized servers?
It is to have a credible exit for anyone that wants to use them.
This is a core aspect Pubky has that Nostr does not.
PKDNS
Careful your participation on this protocol might accidentally make it succeed. Tread lightly.
That makes sense. But what’s the point of building a decentralized protocol if it ultimately ends up in the hands of a centralized set of servers? Id rather bank on devs figuring something out to keep it fully decentralized than submit to centralization.
Decentralization is a network quality.
It is achieved mostly by reducing the amount of data in the system, while increasing the quantity of unique copies of that data.
If your protocol is "poorly" designed, it will revert to centralization at scale.
Merely being an open protocol is not enough.
So you must intentionally include in your design, how to handle centralization.
Is nostr not being improved to combat that with implemented economic incentives and general protocol improvements that would enhance data replication? Also think I might have worded my previous response wrong. I meant is the solution you are building focused on scaling using centralized servers? I’m new to this trying to get a grasp.
Pubky allows for both self-hosting and centralized hosting in a safe way.
Hosts are commoditized and thus compete on how little they censor.
Users can simply change a setting if their host misbehaves, to switch to another host, or to self hosting.
Also works over tor.
nostr works absolutely fine with one relay.
a person that uses a bunch of relays to reach as many people as possible and a person who uses one relay that is only accessible to a handful of selected users are both using nostr.
nostr is a protocol, not a platform.
Bcash Johnnie! Just fork off
How are Nostr relays different from Bitcoin relays? Honest question..
Also curating the people you follow. Anytime I see something I don’t like I just mute, block, and or un follow
Follow the stuff that you want to see
Hashtags do not work well. What are you even talking about?
Nostr is a protocol, not an app, and you’re not that dumb, so maybe stop pretending you are.
Did you have to agree to the bitcoin terms of service?
and we use someone's app to connect. dont be dumb
You won't find drugs here for the same reason everyone crys taxes are theft, but pays their taxes anyways.
Fear.
Buy a joint from me. I'm basically a professional roller... 
I would gladly buy you a rolled joint, feel useless doing handcraft
ToS for use of clients != ToS for signup
I can checkout Amethyst source, fork & modify it, run my own relay (w/o ToS) and have my way with the protocol. If I were inclined, default to Tor and share CP to hidden service relays only and have my own little nostr loli club or whatever.
nostr had its share of loli stuff here and there and yet I don't see the pedos flocking to nostr. You don't need nostr for pedo stuff nor drugs. It just isn't useful for any of that. But you could if you wanted. That's also freedom. Permission-less.
Good luck with pubky. I'm really not trying to attack you but I fail at getting your pitch here.
Pubky is open source too, fork it and run your own stuff if you want.
Your understanding of ToS/PP/age requirements is ignorant.
pubky-app is apparently deprecated and the link to franky doesn't work.
I could open Tor Browser, create a fully anonymous key and publish to nostr relays now. Doesn't apply to pubky.
Guess I'm just too ignorant. Have yet to see a reasonable response to any of the many criticism raised regarding pubky over the last days. All I see is "well you're holding it wrong or nostr sucks".
Good luck & bye.
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Yes, more ignorance.
Pubky-app is the live app people are using. It is fully open source, just like every aspect of the Pubky Core protocol is also open.
Pubky-app is like Damus or Primal, not protocol anyway.
Franky is a new app under construction. It will be open-sourced once it works. This has no affect on your ability to use Pubky.
I know the difference between core and app. The readme of the app literally says it's deprecated. Protocol vs client is exactly the topic of this thread.
Muting you now. You're acting in bad faith.
Please do, one less stubborn retard to deal with
I honestly don't remember signing a ToS for Primal, Damus, or Coracle or any of the other really early apps but that may be because I was on those apps when they were in Alpha. I haven't tried out a new nostr client in a long time so I have no idea what the landscape on that even looks like.
I know I haven't been given a "request to update" to sign now that I have been on them for awhile. Interesting.
Mushrooms here!
These are good mushrooms. He accepts zaps as donations for his quality education about fungi. Can he accept zaps on ̶N̶o̶s̶t̶r̶ ̶C̶a̶s̶h̶ Pubky?
You obviously haven’t spent enuff time using nostr buddy lmfao
Have you tried talking with the Nostr CEO?
Jack won't answer my calls ever since we obsoleted TBD.
it is indeed an interesting question how NOSTR deals with pedophiles like me
to the best of my knowledge and understanding they get on their knees and suck my balls
