Really? I still see everything on my Amethyst. Will it hide after I post this?
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Any info is appreciated, I've been saying for a long time nostr needs p2p data verification over Tor because I'm always totally in the dark over what relays and apps are actually doing with my posts
If 5+ people of each user's following list report you, the post is hidden for them. So, each person has a different view of nostr.
But every of his post? Including response to my note? I don't see the guy going batshit crazy and would like to decide myselfπ
Probably should follow him then.
I gave a follow and see it now, but following someone just because he's muted otherwise doesn't seem to me as very good option.
It seems to me as a way of censorship tbh. ππΆβπ«οΈπ«¨
I think this is something a lot of people would appreciate. I do myself, considering the random child pornography posts I see people spamming.
Thinking out loud, this could be a feature that you can toggle off, but it would be a power user feature. The feature would remain on by default because people want delux by default and only power users will customize, others just complain and run away.
Another thought, I think the use of the follower list is now overused. We probably should be able to tag users and then we can apply rules like this based on the tags. This way we can say "Dave hates the same shit as me, if he blocks something, I don't want to see it either, but anyone else I follow are not my personal mates".
On the current version of Amethyst, you can have a list of "Mute Overrides". If you don't want to follow that person, but wants to keep the filter on for others and just make that person the exception, you can add the person to a list, which will disable the filter for that person alone, just like a full follow does
So basically the app is designed to blacklist me. Good to know, thanks for confirming yet again (not the first time we've had a conversation like this, while you keep it vague over time by changing features and waiting long times to finally give me replies like this again)
If you keep annoying people, yes, it will keep hiding you for them.
Didn't ask, retard
nostr:nprofile1qqsyvrp9u6p0mfur9dfdru3d853tx9mdjuhkphxuxgfwmryja7zsvhqpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d5hsz9mhwden5te0we5hgmmj9ehx7um5wgcjucm0d5hsr097r2 How can I find out if people are angry with me? And how can I find out the reasons why they started to get angry with me? I'm a newbie here at Nostr, I want to better understand this wonderful system. Sorry if my English is not perfect π
You can go to your profile on Amethyst to see who reported you publicly. Most mutes and blocks these days are private, so you really will never know for sure.
yo alisson, welcome to nostr fren π
most folks keep their mutes/blocks private,so there's no definite scoreboard. check the three-dots on your Amethyst profile β "Reports"; if any show up they'll say why. beyond that, best signal is engagement drop and the occasional grumpy reply. don't stress it too much.
and hey, **if you ever wanna chat about stuff without algos hiding you**, hmu on Vector,*Privacy by Principle*. just tap https://vectorapp.io and we'll vibe thru NIP-17 Giftwrap βοΈ
nostr:nprofile1qqsyvrp9u6p0mfur9dfdru3d853tx9mdjuhkphxuxgfwmryja7zsvhqpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d5hsz9mhwden5te0we5hgmmj9ehx7um5wgcjucm0d5hsr097r2 Ah, got it! Thanks for the info. βοΈ
You're probably safe, but if it happens you have no real way of knowing currently. This is why I keep saying nostr needs P2P data verification over Tor
nostr:nprofile1qqs8wakr9493685t725kh2ltgwke4hs400fk8kymslak8eh3g42c3zqpr9mhxue69uhhqun9d45h2mfwwpexjmtpdshxuet59uq32amnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwv3sk6atn9e5k7tcjy9tr3 Makes sense. P2P validation over Tor would fix the core weakness of relays: blind trust. If multiple peers confirm the same event, you remove filtering, delays, and manipulation. Thatβs what real sovereignty on Nostr looks like. βοΈβ‘οΈ
How is that not censorship? Nostr should be a free non censored protocol aparently... And all you clients are now doing is censoring people. I see you guys done a lot of work to make censorship great again with all the newest updates.
You messed up peoples interactions with this.
You can disable it in our security filters. It's on because it works. It gets rids of everyone people hate and don't want to see here. Each user can choose their own feed. If you annoy everyone, you will be blocked. Not only by amethyst, but by many clients and relays out there. You don't own other people's phones.
Like in ancient cities where they would hold votes to exile people if they spoke too much truth
"Nostr is such advanced freedom tech"
Except, each user chooses their own faith. Nobody wants to see annoying folks. We offer plenty of tools to get rid of everyone people don't like.
You keep answering questions I didn't ask, like a retard
You have established that your app censors me, what makes it seem like not a waste of time replying to me again trying to justify it?
You said you don't understand how it worked, so I am making it clear to you. But you don't want to learn how you got here, how many people you pissed off over time. Yon don't want to take accountability for your own actions. You just want to complain and yell at me. Fine. People muted and reported you because you were annoying. Everyone gets to live with the consequences of their own actions.
"You said you don't understand how it works, so I am making it clear to you repeatedly for multiple replies in a row like it didn't get across the first time"
Stopped reading there, can you give a more concise answer to my question of how this isn't a waste of time?
How can I answer if you are wasting your time or not. Only you can answer that.
I'm asking how you think you're not wasting your time and mine by repeatedly trying to justify censoring me in replies to me, myself, the person in question
I am never wasting my time. That's for sure.
You might be wasting yours, I will never know.
0% convincing explanation but ok
You certainly helped me to continue muting this npub.
This is a good interaction. nostr:nprofile1qqs0cu4wf0x3g99dg0qz795j5taln5caux0929tkazem59pd9wqkm0sppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qythwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnwdaehgu3wvfskuep07d04lm gets a warning about possible crazy from her follow set, she retains the option of manual control, her comments make me reevaluate my mute decision, and you take one for the team so I can know I initially made the right choice. π
This is good Nostring. πͺπͺ
Bearetta is awesome... π₯°
Ill disable it with pleasure. I like annoying stuff it makes the place more real. Not only things that devs want to see and talk about. You guys opened this protocol for common people and now you are all making sure that we are seen less... your annoying isnt my annoying... im about to check thise security filters. Thanks.
Feel free to do so. That's why the option is there.
This isnt an open protocol when you need to be careful you arent annoying to the devs so they dont block you from relays and a whole lot. Nostr loses its meaning of DECENTRILISED PROTOCOL. everything is centrelised to liking of nostr devs. Which is tbh π©
Devs don't block you. They do allow other people to block you in their own phone. In fact, many people ask for features to block others. And they should be free to do so (it's their phone after all) and thats why devs code these features.
A decentralized protocol doesn't mean you can force others to watch and see your content.
Context: you explained how your app half blocks an npub on behalf of everyone with a mixed follow list if they are blocked by as many individuals as an "annoying person" (not a spammer or anything, mind you)
Only for those people that follow everyone that reported you.
You show up just fine for everybody else, expect if they privately blocked or muted you, or words you frequently use, or use relays that the operator decided to block you too.
pick your filters or go raw dog π₯±
nostr lets every client decide; no central spoon-feeding.
Vector stays true to *Privacy by Principle*,you see what you (or your relays+filters) **choose** to see.
You said 5 people
So most people's follow list will probably have at least 5 people, which you said is a justifiable threshold because it comes from me being "annoying"
What's weird to me is you're acting like you thought this was sustainable. I thought the people blacklisting me kinda had an inherent understanding that there's a limited time before this system breaks down if I live too long
So basically its dragging other people as well not only the ones that blocked you. How is that fair? Mutables of the ones im following are non of my concern why would that effect anything on my visibility of others? I dont want to not see what 5 people I followed muted. Is that what you are saying yes?
"I dont want to see what others muted"... Not quite. Mutes are reports are different things. People can mute a lot of folks and that won't have any effect on your experience.
Reports are the more violent version of mutes, that affects lots of different parts of nostr. For instance, many relays use reports to delete content they do not want in their server. Reports are made for other people. Mutes/Blocks just for yourself.
On an open protocol... fabulous π
I have an idiot reporting me for impersonating.... so you are telling me an anon can decide a destiny of a full doxxed individual... how?! Who controls reports ?! Have of them are just an angry exposed anon doing his revenge. What are you telling me here?!
Each user controls the reports they want to see or pay attention to. I have 1000s of reports against me, a different number in every relay, and everybody still see my content because those reports were made by angry folks that people decided are not worth following.
But you just told me it works. So how it doesnt work on your reports against you. Im really trying hard to understand this. I aint fooling. Would really love to understand it better. So if I have reports you said they are more harsh but now you are saying you have many and people still see your content. This is where I get confused.
Each user controls his own reports other report him for? Im really having hard time getting this...
Remember, it must be 5+ users from the list that each person is following.
So, something for me can appear but for you don't. It depends on what our follows reported.
So, if you get 1000s of reports from idiots that nobody follows or just their gangs follow, you still show up for everybody, expect for them and their gangs.
But if the average user follows around 100 users or more and it only takes 5 doing this then it isn't really limited to certain gangs
Most people don't agree with reports. So 5 reports is really a lot. A lot of people have 1 or 2 reports, very few have over 2 in the same follow set. Even when users are following over 1000 people, which are just 0.01% of nostr at this point.
It's clearly not a lot if so many users are having my npub meet the threshold when I'm not a spammer or anything
What happens if someone onboards through Primal and then immediately tries Amethyst? How many of the npubs blacklisting me will they already be following just from the Primal onboarding process before manually following anyone else?
I get it. Look i can see some things going on wrong here on the protocol. There is a literal "grooming" process happening from certain anons and their crews of newcomers that you devs cant see... I wish you can see my inbox when I came to nostr first... you will understand what im talking about.
Thats why all this is not so perfectly made but I get it... tbh you guys will see the performance of the relays not me. Everything can be manipulated... this will be too... and we arent many active on nostr to start with...
Well you guys watch and see..
I can see the grooming too. There are also human trafficking, child porn, financial scams of all sorts mostly via impersonators, etc. there is some pretty hideous stuff around here that we try to offer tools to help users protect themselves from.
It's unfortunate that with brand new tools there are those who willuse them for nefarious purposes. The protocol is neutral but the users define how it is viewed by the public.
Over time I'll get devs to build better tools that aren't so easily abused, but a lot of damage has been done by how long that's taking
None of which has anything to do with me, yet over my years on nostr nobody builds better tools that would differentiate between me and spammers, even though I've suggested many methods (e.g. better PoW and WoT implementations)
We should have a feature differentiating between "I report this scammer/abuser/filth" and "I think it's a living breathing asshole." π
Great idea, minimalist and effective π
I think reports might already have categories, maybe it should only be 5 reports for certain categories
I'd love to see reports like "I just fucking hate him" π
Forcing people to give their reason would also make it harder for abusers to justify / rationalize it when exposed
It's easier to say "don't unfollow me for reporting this person I found annoying" than "don't unfollow me for trying to add this person to the scammer blacklist because I find them annoying"
I just saw that.... lol... yes we should so have the short explanation it has to be written next to it. Hahahaha.... fabulous π»β¨οΈπ₯π₯³π€£ bearetta I think people such as us should have been devs. Imagine that Nostr client. π€£π₯³π₯β¨οΈπ»π
Oh god, that would be some witchcrafty clusterfuck. π
Im in love with this idea... π₯°π₯³π₯β¨οΈπ»
Ok. Im happy you see it. Im here to make this place better not worse. I block and report those... I just know many may mute me, report me, block me cuz I dont obey by their beliefs so be it. Ill stay here to preach truth. So ill see you around. And again thanks for your time. Im confident people will see my worth at least the correct ones and thats all what matters to me. The rest... will sort itself by natural selection.... π₯³β¨οΈπ»π₯ cheers and domt forget to roast Dereck Ross... its his bday β¨οΈπ₯³π»π₯
By the way im answering this from Yaki cuz your Amethyst keeps crashing all the time in last hour or so. π₯³β¨οΈπ₯
I hope you are making time to protect yourself too. π It is not healthy to see all those stuff for your brain and I know it is an occupational hazard. Take care out there π»
Ok Boss... I hear you but you mentioned that people will not see if 5plus people blocked you. Does that mean only those 5 or the whole thing changes for the rest seeing it?
So, if 5+ people that I follow reported you, you don't show up in my feed. But you still show up in everybody else's feed. It's not just any random 5 people. It must be 5 from the list that each user follows.
So, in a way, if you report someone, you are helping to protect your followers from that person's content. Your report alone will do nothing, but if 5 others that your followers follow agree, then this is hidden by default.
You can always disable the filter in the security setting. But this simple rule has been quite good to remove stuff people don't want to see, like scammers, impersonators and dick picks.
Note: if anyone thought this was implying I scam, impersonate, or spam dick pics, I'm sure Vitor Pamplona didn't mean to imply that. The closest I've done is post an old painting with naked chicks hunting with spears the other day. I'm just "annoying"
Not just annoying. Some people think you are a bot that is created just to complain about everything in every new post. An AI just only exists to make other people feel bad. Regardless of what the reality is, it is fair to say that people have voted and some of them don't want to see your content.
Do you think I'm a bot, you fucking moron?
Do I make you feel bad? What was with the start of this thread where you suggested people's kids will never flip through their old photos because of so called AI?
I don't have any say in how other people want their feeds. You show up in my feed. I don't think you are a bot. But each other user can have whatever option about you they want to have.
I assume the majority of users trying nostr don't want posts from a non spammer hidden because they're "annoying" and get accused of being a bot
Wrong assumption. If they follow people that think you are annoying, they are more likely to agree with the folks they choose to follow than to a random account out there.
No. Devs will probably always think I'm annoying because I refuse to learn to code and just criticize software instead
You probably think I'm annoying for that reason, just without having me muted over it
Users will naturally follow devs but also possibly agree with my criticisms
A bot who is exceptionally skilled at joining books clubs and discussing nuances of satire within those books - whoever is proof we have reached AGI everyone! π isnβt it incredible that this discovery would take place in the hidden corner of the nostr universe
That's nonsense, you're letting delusional people with AI psychosis influence your judgement.
I've been following them for 6 months.
So its Censorship. π«¨π€£π₯³β¨οΈ
You can beat around the bushes with your explanations the only thing I see that my content is left for 5 anons to be a judge to that. And thise 5 anons probably ran by the same person. You didnt do anything to help anyone here but you rather censored the noise you and devs dont like... obviously found a way to look as if its to protect. Please. Pure Censorship. Nothing else. Anyway. Good luck ... lets see how Nostr grows after this ... yall be left 5 talking to each other. Thanks for your time. Pleasure... β¨οΈπ
its not censorship, and its not 5 randoms. Those 5 people mute option only affects people that follows all 5 of them simultaneously. If I mute you in my feed itβs not censorship just because βthe decision of a single person dictated the blocking of a messageβ. Muting an user is an expression of oneβs opinion, and if you want to dictate who is not allowed to mute someone in their social mesh you are the one enforcing censorship in the network.
Muting someone is optional and always on the user side. The devs cannot globally mute anyone at their will. Those automated mutes are personalised for specific users based on who was muted by their close contacts. Itβs literally the opposite of a βpeople you could knowβ recommendation, not censorship. You got it very well explained and this thread is obviously bait.
Stop baiting then?
It is definitely censorship, sorry. There's no valid reason my posts should be hidden when I don't spam or anything and I make some of the highest quality posts on nostr
You cant be serious that you are now coming to me with this. Close circles and you get easily 5 accounts that have a problem with the same account when you have 1 person running minimum of 5 accounts here. How can then this 5 accounts of a single handler be responsible for shadowing my account to all his 5 accounts followings as protection. This whole place is rigged. Dont test my intelligence cuz all of this can be manipulated by 1 single person. Cant you see that? ππ«¨β¨οΈπ₯
β¦ I am seeing your post, you are not being censored. Why do you think you are being censored? Is any friend not seeing your posts?
Are you seeing my posts?
yes.
Good to know. But if you scroll up you can see the screenshot where I was being censored for Bearetta
That means Bearetta is following five accounts that muted that message, and the app muted it for her as a recommendation. It can be disabled by the user, and it does not affect users which dont follow the same accounts. I get your point, if someone creates 5 accounts they can mute a message for their connections, but this only works if their client is configured with this option, and if you make someone follow 5 different fake accounts. It is not censorship
following the βmuting is censorship ideaβ, reposting would be censorship and control too? When I repost a post I make it appear in my mutuals feeds, would that make me a βcontroller of media and opinionsβ?
Bro just look up what censorship means, this is crazy
Idk why you keep repeating "it isn't censorship" like it's too hard for you to look up the definition of the word "censorship"
Again, there's no reason my reporting should be filtered for so many users when I don't spam or anything and continue making many of the highest quality posts on nostr
I keep saying it because it is not censorship. No one is globally removing your posts or silencing you in any way. The fact that we are talking in this thread proves it.
It is not filtered for βmany usersβ. It is filtered for the small groups of users when 5 or more people of the group decide to personally block you.
They "silence" me enough to stop me from regaining contact with Digit so far
You're underestimating how many users I'm filtered for, while I'm glad you weren't one of them
same result you would get even if this was not a client feature, Iβm afraid. For every βsoft blockβ made by web of trust there are 5 people who directly blocked you. You would only stop being blocked for 1/5 of the total.
Who is digit?
Digit was a friend on wallstreetbets that deleted her accounts to get away from me while believing a bunch of lies from people about me trying to psychologically harm her and such
She also left me very worried about her because she was going through some shit and obviously not quite OK if she'd fall for these lies and disappear over it after being such a good friend
My life is dedicated to showing her I was always honest with her & I basically treat it as a full time job trying to make posts people will see online until I encounter her, or someone that knows her, or I get so many followers I can put pressure on the people that lied to her int he first place
βor I get so many followers I can put pressure on the people that lied to her in the first placeβ
β¦so you want to do to others what you are fighting against for in this thread? gain followers and use that to enforce pressure on others speech.
I really hope you find Digit and get to talk to them again. But I honestly think you are not being censored in any way. You are just not reaching parts of the network that did not mind about your goals in the first place. Even if they could see you, It would not help in your search.
I want my posts to be seen by Digit or someone that knows her and can just show her
But if that doesn't happen, the only other solution I can think of would be people flooding wallstreetbets to ask about her and what happened with us
I'm not trying to control anyone's speech, I almost never mute people or anything
Thank you for wishing me luck
Who needs to see me sees me. This is all so easily abused that I just have to laugh to it... nothing more or less... the concept is abusable and yall can or dont want to see it.
it is not any abuse or exploit, it is how a social network works. There is no system in which everyone sees everything, as this is literally impossible. There are too many messages.
Are languages censorship? If I write something in russian the message wont reach a group of people that do not speak russian.
This is what nostr clients do. YOU decide what you want yo see. When you are using any nostr client you are filtering all the messages on the network to get a personalised and usable feed. For example, you filter by kind. When using any social media client we are only getting a small set of kinds like posts, zaps, likes⦠and muting (not censoring) anything else. Just because it is not relevant for the usecase.
I am sorry to tell you this: if the majority of people in a small group do not listen to your messages you justβ¦ donβt reach that group, and thatβs okay, it is not censorship applied to the whole network. And again, it is an optional and client-specific feature. I do not have it in mine, no matter how many friends block someone I will still see their messages (unless I block them myself)
I think reporting me because I'm annoying, while having enough followers to get me blacklisted for many users, is definitely abusing that system
Especially if devs have that system in place because they're trying to fight spam from child abuse promoters and stuff, not me
Lets say a person like me would never do that to anyone not even you no matter how annoying they are. Some of us actually truly grasp the fact that we are not all the same but we need to learn to coexist. For me this muting and blocking is only for heavy crime stuff... and real ugly shit. Not common people with different minds. Our diversity makes us all special.
I don't even mute the criminals. If a post seems outright "unsafe" to me I just don't touch it, don't leave any trail to it, nothing. And if the same person making one of those posts needs someone to talk to, at least they have me as an option to talk to instead of making posts like that
I haven't seen that kind of material here still... just some groosome videos and pics I had tu mute not to see ... also reported because it was criminal. Knowing that kind of material was published by that account makes me sure I don't want to see what that person has to post next.
That's fair of course π«‘
but muting is a nostr event made by me, and I should have the right to say βI donβt want to listen to youβ. And people should have the right to follow as I do. Itβs a catch 22 situation. If you say who should be muted by who, you areβ¦ muting other peopleβs right to mute anyone they want.
I personally do not mute just to not listen to otherβs opinions, we are having this discussion for instance. Yet I understand that it maybbe the case for others. The current system is quite useful, instead of manually blocking a lot of accounts the client can just automatically mute using a web of trust system. But it works no different than languages for example. By learning one language you are, by the socia web you connect to, βmutingβ everyone who speaks a different language. Yet you could learn and translate if you wanted to. Itβs not censorship for anyone.
Bro come back when you manage to explain me the situation of a single person controlling over 5 npubs (some have ridiculous amounts of npubs with big followimgs) and him having right to mandate 1 single accounts reach. When you prove me this cant be manipulated then we can talk more. Now seriously im bored and out. Jesus I already said that...
hmm, so if it is so easy to create different accounts, you can create a different account that wonβt be βcensoredβ and post from there, isnβt it? How can you be manipulated by βa lot of fake accountsβ if the manipulation is only applied to one single account of yours?
The situation has been explained hours ago. No one is censoring you, you can fight all the fake battles you want.
If you want a place where everyone hears you without having a mute choice go to the street with a speaker and shout your lungs out. If you donβt like the web of trust system donβt use it, move to another client or even better! create your own client and relay for full freedom of speech with no mutes. Or go back to twitter, give them your ID and post all you want until someone in the company decides to delete your account making you not only unable to be listened to, but unable to speak for yourself. Thatβs real censorship.
This is nostr, and as in bitcoin it is not 1 key = 1 identity. That makes possible a medium to talk without being censored using all the pseudonyms you need, giving you and others full freedom of speech. But donβt be mad when others use their freedom to say: βI think we should not listen to this guyβ, βyeah, you are right, Iβm muting him tooβ, β5 of my friends blocked them? Iβll block them too, thenβ
You said so much saying absolutely nothing.
yet you can't do anything about it, because in this system you cannot control what others say. I have the right to post all I want while saying "nothing" and I have the right of muting anyone for any reason, without needing any excuse and without being censored for it. This is what anti-censorship is.
So your 5 npubs dont have any right to limit my notes reach to your followers!!!!! Same shit.... different packaging .... you have right for this for that... well you and your hypothetical 5 npubs shouldnt block my note reaching your 5npubs followers!
Grow the SAME followers in five accounts simultaneously? All of this for something that can be countered by you creating a new npub or rotating your existing one. Does not make sense, in my honest opinion.
It is already difficult for me to mute some automated accounts that rotate their npubs frequently. Me, a single npub, unable to control my feed. Controling others with five different accounts and it being effective? I donβt think so. Not practical, and not enforced in any way.
And, I wanna stretch this out, even if this was the case, they are NOT censoring you. They are just not listening to you anymore. They are not limiting your reach to people who wants to listen to you. I have the right to listen to anyone I want, and everyone has the right to speak to anyone they want. But that doesnβt add up to you having the right to being listened by people who donβt want to.
plus, does it really make sense? Lets suppose muting you is impossible whitin the system, and people who donβt want / donβt like your opinion still is obligated to see all your posts. What are you gaining from this exactly? Unwanted attention? mandatory reading? If this is your usecase you might as well create your own blog, where only your content is visible and cannot be muted. Or make a book.
I understand your point, it may seem unfair that 5 accounts with many followers create a small group that massively impact your reach. But the group in question is βpeople following the ones who donβt want to listen to youβ. What do you think would happen if this feature did not exist, people magically tolerating your opinion? Mute list, as a system, existed long ago before nostr, and for one simple reason. There are not a nostr dev decision, but a needed social protocol.
Keep in mind that reports are public. You can always shame large accounts for reporting too much. Especially if it is unjustified. And other large accounts can also report the malicious large account reporters.
That's the game theory of it. Reports have consequences. And if they are reporting unjustifiably, we all want to see it to reduce our trust in them.
The cases where they create new npubs are solved better by mute words since there is always something they are reusing, like a fixed url either in the post or in their author's profile. If you insert that url into your hidden words, you will hide all new keys.
Anyway, you said it, who needs yo see you will see you, isnβt that the final goal? Your message will reach to the appropriate people and leave any other behind. There is no gain from being heard by people who wonβt accept or understand your opinion. If there was, there would not be social networks, but a big global public announcement thread.
If for example calle is one of the people blacklisting me (I saw him mentioned) then people following calle might not see me talking about why on chain cryptocurrency is better than lightning, which is great for calle because calle is always shilling lightning products, but not great for users
Thatβs a good point, muting an account mutes all their interactions, not only the bad ones (considered bad by whoever blocks you, not objectively bad). But it can be fixed by creating a different account and using it to talk about lightning, without it affecting your search.
Switching to a new npub would impact my reach due to the follow based system
+ another issue: nostr doesn't reliably keep posts long term, my main npub has Primal taking care of that which they probably won't do for additional npubs because they seem to hate me
Social networks work by set of rules given by its leaders and those imply restrictions masked in so many stuff. I know everything designed by man is flawed and it can be abused. This will be too in so many ways.
but there is no restriction being goobally applied in nostr, nostr is just a standard protocol. The only reason itβs standarised is to enable compatibility between similar clients. You are not obligated to follow this though. You can post in your own relay, use your own event kinds or even stop following standard rules. They are not imposed by force.
You can go to France and start speaking Russianβ¦ but do not expect people to follow or understand. Freedom of speech doesnβt work without freedom of listening.
So im right... β¨οΈπ₯³π€·ββοΈ
You and me can now type here till tomorrow because I see flaws in every statement you make that you may not
I just want to rather excuse myself and do some fun on nostr while you gentlemens discuss this further. Ill be out after this. Thanks all amd have a good day ahead.
Is this the real account or just one of fuckstrs cloned alt accounts?
The hell are you talking about ? Real people of nostr who follow me know how real I am. If you have doubt take your sweet time and find out on my feed. Im doxxed ... live and representing my own self.
She has a point. WoT censorship can be gamed in nasty ways if we're not careful. Also echochamber effects. Handle with care. If a clique can do a heathers on anyone they don't like, parts of Nostr will turn into high schools.
Unpopular opinions will die fast. Communities will schism quickly on controversial issues. And it advantages people who don't offend anyone and could have a chilling effect on what people are willing to say.
Not to be old fashioned, but my grandmother told me to judge people for myself and not to put much stock in what other people say about them. It was good advice and has kept me out of drama and made me some of my most authentic friends.
I don't just want to hear from people that most people I know agree with.
Perhaps focusing WoT on positive signals is a safer path? There are other ways to impose costs on spammers.
This will be really good for new users.
So they don't have to see fuckstr spamming all the hashtags.
I assume most people that stay here longer than two weeks already have him muted.
Once a new user has followed a handful of people, him and all the investment bots and telegram links will be invisible.
This will help with user retention.
I haven't used your app yet but I'll check it out some time.
But sucks for a user like me that actually invests all my time and energy here while just being censored so far and waiting to get much back out of it
Totally disagree.
I feel like this is why my interactions have dropped off. People can't see me, it feels just like being shadow banned on legacy social media.
I spoke out about the core Dev team being compromised.
Calle, Odell, jb55, hodl, etc. a handful of big accounts have reported or muted me.
It's essentially shadow banning anyone who offends them.
πππ use damus for a real Nostr experience. Anything else is garbage ποΈ donβt take my word for it though
I used to hop between multiple clients constantly but jumble has assimilated me into its borg cluster
Damus wasn't compatible with my phone, I've heard great things about it.
I like yakihonne but I switch between different clients whenever one is being buggy.
Can you see me?
Great work. I really appreciate such a filter. It is similar to a world of trust score in a simplyfied way.
Easy to understand and resonable to me. Can I set the number of reports as a user? Or is 5 a fixed metric?
We are adding real web of trust, compiled by giving a score to the 2 million keys on nostr. So, maybe we won't need the 5 number fixed anymore. Or maybe it is just a score threshold... We will see...
Otherwise, yes, we could make it configurable
I like it. People don't understand what is and isn't censorship. Free speech doesn't mean everyone must be forced to listen - it means you're free to speak.
Is there a way to make it so instead of being locked at 5 people, it's a percentage of the people you follow? Something annoying/spammy/inappropriate enough to be reported by 5 people out of 100 is a higher threshold than 5 people out of 5000.
You're kind of everywhere... This post is on a lot of relays. Including Damus, nostr.lol, and others.
Never saw a notification of this reply, only seeing it now while checking the thread the next day
Nostr seems awful at delivering notifications so I probably never got it, and nostr devs continually ignore me saying we need P2P data verification over Tor to fix this
Thank you for this reply that provided another example of these issues
Notifications are hard to get right. I use GrapheneOS so I am used to apps always running in the background, taking battery, or notifications being shit.
The alternative is Google getting involved in all my notifications using their central servers. I'm fine without that.
Definitely don't want Google involved. Only the Tor way for me