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Can't wait to get a pixel
Is it though when it only runs on a Google Pixel device with black box blobs?
What if I don't want to support Google?
Pixels are by far the most scrutinized phones out there. You can't do the same with Samsung and other manufacturers.
Pixels are our best option, until nostr:nprofile1qqsgydql3q4ka27d9wnlrmus4tvkrnc8ftc4h8h5fgyln54gl0a7dgspp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqg4waehxw309aex2mrp0yhx6mmnw3ezuur4vgkhjsen's block enters the phone manufacturing business.
Sure. But I still have to pay Google, to use a Google device, so that I can get away from Google...
I also must trust what people like you tell me that it's "safe". Sure I can ReAd tHe cODe but lets be honest while I'm familiar with firmware and kernel code I'm not going to know where exploits can exist, it's a trust game. Period.
Sure. But at least you can pay Google to get out of Google. You can't pay Microsoft to remove ads on Windows. You can't pay Apple to remove all Apple controls on a Mac.
Graphene does get rid of every hint of Google in the device.
Please correct me. But it simply cannot. There are black box binaries for their hardware that are not open. What is open is your ability to obtain them, but the source is not available. So the drivers for the camera and modem and whatnot are not sealed. I'm sure some have reverse engineered some of them but I have to assume (because I still hear stories of this) that many are still black box binaries.
And you aren't paying Google for that service that for you, so it is no different than using community tools to cleanse a Windows PC of adware and telemetry.
Sure, but that is true for a lot of drivers, modems and so on. Linux itself is full of binary payloads as well for most laptops and many motherboards out there. It's the best we can get situation.
It's definitely way better than running a regular Windows or Mac system with everything installed.
That's all I'm asking of people like you is to just be honest with people about what they're getting. I just want to make yall say it.
It's not a silver bullet and there are many gotchas. I also don't believe it's the BEST we have in terms of privacy, it's the highest convenience trade off. But I have no proof of that.
May we ask what you run?
Run what?
Mobile OS. I like the sound of Graphene OS but have the same concerns about only running on a Pixel. There’s only a few companies I would like to support less than Apple, and Google is one of them ;-)
That said, with recent shenanigans between Apple and the UK government and backdoors, it has peaked my interest again.
It's the best option for most people.
It's also the best option if you want to have a device that you use for Bitcoin that's completely detached from your identity.
Just never use it on your home network, keep it in a faraday bag, and have a second faraday bag for your daily driver smartphone so you don't use it in the same location.
Aweful bold of you to suggest it's the BEST for MOST people...
if I don't use it as a phone why does it matter what device I have... Just use a laptop and a landline?
Most people seeking privacy tech, yes it's the best option I've seen so far.
& Mobile devices are more easily faraday'ed & transported.
Using this setup with e.sim like silent link is definitely the best option I've seen for most people.
So tell us, which one is the BEST in terms of privacy? I'm getting a lot of Apple-fanboy vibes from you.
From my understanding what you mentioned is downstream from execution commands / CPU.
Theres no way for Google or any other service to reach those modules unless you give it permission on Graphene.
Unless it's the modem itself. Which is connected... by definition. But that is true for almost every modem you can buy.
Your modem can leak IP addressing correct?
That's the risk here?
Not really search history or other logs?
That and some information about the device, which IPs it is accessing and so on. A malicious firmware can periodically ping any server without the user knowing, which would allow the server to triangulate the phone via cell towers.
Great,
So if this is your threat models just never use it at home - put it in a faraday bag & buy the pixel with cash.
Correct. But if you are at that level, I would also make sure there are no other electronics in your house. Anything can have a hidden modem these days, even your fridge.
If one uses a Fairphone with Murena's /e/OS totally Google-avoidant operating system, has one still somehow paid Google to avoid Google?
Hopefully not, but FP doesn't have any compatible US devices :( nor can you get them shipped over here anymore.
It looks like the FP4 is still being sold to US customers by Murena:
https://murena.com/america/shop/smartphones/brand-new/murena-fairphone-4/
Thanks for this. Ill have to look into this. The unfortunate position is that my 6 year old device has better specs than it and a headphone jack XD. I don't really use the device for anything but phone calls and the occasional browser lookup but it'd be a shame go backward in hardware.
Maybe I should go back to carrying a digital camera with me.
Why do you have to pay google, just buy second hand
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Need more #freedomphones
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This might help
If it's a new phone, there are none.
Everything just works.
You will likely need a better keyboard than stock!! After running through 5 of them I recommend FUTO keyboard. It has on-device voice typing and better prediction.
Download the 2 larger, typing and voice dictionaries. FOSS with Voluntary one-time payment
a foolproof backup system is one major missing component in graphene. the included seedvault is complete shit.
i've heard for years now in the graphene community that a new solution is in the works and coming...
Maybe they can save it on a Blossom server the user chooses :)
What exactly do you need to backup on a grapheneOS phone besides files which are easily transferable?
If I lose/break my business iPhone, I buy a new iPhone, sign in and everything is setup exactly how it was (apps, files, photos, notes, reminders, wifi, bluetooth, settings, etc...). It is as painless a process as I can imagine.
I tried using seedvault once and it crapped out on me so I never tried again, but I imagine you can't do that with it?
Oh poor Apple cuck... NGMI.
This was very helpful and encouraging. I need to make the jump away from the iPhone ecosystem
Yes! I love #GrapheneOS on my pixel phones. Been running it for years since Pixel4 and it works amazing. Even got it on my wife's phone and she doesn't even notice she's using it. Kids still have iphones but I'm gonna try to get them to move over to GrapheneOS next.
You think pixel fold will work with it? Prob not
https://grapheneos.org/faq#device-support has supported and recommended devices
Looks like Fold is ok!
Why better than other stock android OSs, like Lineage? I know it's better for privacy, sounds like you may be referring to something bigger though
* Only available on Google Shitxel
This thread is the reason why I never switched from CalyxOS to GrapheneOS 😂
i have pixels being so giant