Longer fasts -> Less fat mass -> More muscle mass 💪
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Tried open raise other day with a 40 just to see … wasn’t gonna happen 😮💨
Eventually it will 💪
Hard to not lose muscle during the cuts too 😕
Not doing a cut. I try to get everything I need during the shorter window.
You’re in a cut?
I'm reducing calories and trading the weights for cardio for a few weeks to hopefully lose some fat. Hard balance.
What about workouts? Shouldn't you get protein etc shortly after or before for optimal muscle growth?
I used to do that yes. But I can’t do that and the fast. I would never eat with the rest of the family since I work out first thing in the morning. I’m still gaining muscle though
I've recently read about this and it seems that taking just whey protein during your fast after workout doesn't necessarily break ketosis.
This is very interesting. So I could take whey isolate mixed with water right after training?
My AI doctor says yes, but I don't trust him just yet. Will need to figure this out. Been on IMF for years and consider adding this.
I just asked gpt. I’m getting conflicting answers. It says it technically doesn’t break ketosis. But then when I ask it if it breaks a fast it says technically yes. I’ll have to read more on this as well. Would be great to add to IMF
fast == "don't eat"
ketosis == the state I want to be in
Right. Using fat as primary fuel source due to significantly reduced carbs intake
good stuff, though carbs are also v good for muscle growth according to my AI doctor
Well, not necessarily carbs, but insulin. You can get an insulin boost by gorging on steak too. And I believe that periodically raised insulin is indeed healthy - if not for muscle growth, then for sodium retention by the kidneys. But that does not mean you carbs in your diet. Carnivore with big, less frequent meals seems to be optimal, species-specific way of eating for human. You eat meat, get out of ketosis for a while and then you're back again.
As an aside, have a look at this paper about human trophic level: https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/full/10.1002/ajpa.24247
Sounds like something that might interest you.
That's not how insulin works at all.
Insulin is a hormone that your body uses to transfer glucose from your blood into your muscles for energy.
You get glucose (sugar) in your blood from eating foods that contain sugars or carbohydrates (which break down into sugars when you eat them)
Insulin response in normal healthy people depends on blood sugar levels.
Ketosis is the opposite effect that you get from not eating sugars for an extended period and your body burns fats and lipids instead of sugars for its primary energy source.
Let me convince you otherwise with facts and logic, lol.
Facilitating glucose transport one of insulin's responsibilities in the body. But it's a kind of "macro hormone", doubling also as a general growth factor (stimulating protein sythesis) and electrolyte metabolism regulator (among others). Sources:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK525983/
https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00252649
https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4198400/
Dietary amino acids influence insulin secretion, so you can get an insulin elevation from a large enough bolus of protein in one meal. Source:
https://physoc.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.14814/phy2.15577
Ketosis is insulin-dependent, not glucose-dependent (well, it's more complex that that, but oh well). That's why type 1 diabetics can get into ketosis (and even ketoacidosis) even while eating carbs.
It will shift your body into a catabolic state thus breaking fast, but might not effect ketosis because you will still be in a fat burning state. Caveat not too much whey because large amounts of protein get converted into glucose that is why carnivore diet is not keto. But with all of this stuff there are contradictory opinions.
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What’s the fast window now?
20/4 weekdays. 18/6 weekends
Previously it was 18/6 all week
Oh wow nice!!! Basically doing one meal 🤔
It’s a little complicated. Long term fasting causes cortisol to rise which can make your body eat up muscle.
Not exactly.
Really depends on what you are eating between fasts and what types of exercise you do.
If you just sit around not eating all day then break fast with sugary garbage and excess carbs you'll end up with less muscle and you may look like you've lost fat but chances are the fat has just moved to your organs instead of your muscles.
You gotta have an active lifestyle and eat healthy between fasts to lose fat without losing muscle.
And if you want bigger muscles you gotta eat more to sustain them.
I’m speaking strictly for myself here. With the training I do and what I eat. Smaller eating window doesn’t mean eating less for me. I eat what I need to fuel myself. My muscle mass is going up while my fat mass is going down