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rabble 4mo ago 💬 48

What are other nostr app developers and relay operators doing with regard to the UK Online Services Act?

Apparently there is no legal exception for open source or apps that are not connecting to servers you control or apps that are entirely encrypted and peer to peer.

Basically they want us to KYC anyone they think might be based in the UK, and implement content filters.

There seems to be no way to be in compliance in Nostr without limiting all connections to a single gateway relay the way Primal does, and with geo location, including blocking tor and vpn connections, and content analysis of all text and media.

Basically insanity which is completely counter to the entire Nostr project. I knew there was some of OSA coming but I hadn’t paid attention to it. None of us want to KYC our users or build a content filtering system. I mean how do we know if a post is about a knife? Yes we can’t have content about knives! Or how do we determine who considers content hateful?

https://www.ofcom.org.uk/siteassets/resources/documents/online-safety/information-for-industry/illegal-harms/illegal-content-codes-of-practice-for-user-to-user-services.pdf?v=391681

What are Nostr devs based in the UK doing? Users? Relay operators?

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wolfpy 4mo ago

I think they are laying low… not sure what more I am not tech savvy

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Leo Wandersleb 4mo ago

Certainly not going to geo-block or filter out knife content.

Here's a picture of part of my current shopping cart.

If our friends on the island go to jail for reading this post, I'm sorry but why should we hold back in other jurisdictions? Let them block my relay. I won't block them.

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inpc 4mo ago

I’ve already told Rabble my age (97) so I can look at the picture legally.

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Brian 4mo ago

Insanity is taking a leap forward!

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Sparrow 4mo ago

I sincerely hope there is a way around this.

I have faith in the genius and ingenuity of this community, but not necessarily in the popular adoption of people actually giving a fuck about their sovereign rights.

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Neo ⚡️ 4mo ago

Stop complying.

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El Dorado 4mo ago

I would love to know also.

Could you expand on this part « without limiting all connections to a single gateway relay the way Primal does »?

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rabble 4mo ago

Primal has a caching relay that pulls content from across the network and provides it faster to the primal client. I believe they push the events you publish out the all the relays in your list but reads from the one centralized caching relay. I think it’s fine as long as it’s your keys and you can use other apps. Some folks think it’s not in the spirit of Nostr.

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El Dorado 4mo ago

Thanks for the explanation Rabble

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Bitcoin Stratos 4mo ago

Let's see if they can stop a balloon in the stratosphere with a relay inside the payload! 😎

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nix 4mo ago

I don't really know the answer, but I like how Bisq are doing their dev work - explicitly advising everybody who wants to contribute to be as anonymous as they possibly can.

I know it would add a lot of extra effort, but if you're building apps which are likely to be seen as disruptive, then it probably makes sense. It is what Satoshi did.

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Lunapilot 4mo ago

Hopefully they are thinking ahead and making sure they are not exposed in any way to the insanity of the Globalist agenda (This isn't just happening in Britain or Australia - every western country has some form of it going on!) Be like Satoshi and stay hidden even as you contribute.

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Don't Believe The Vibe 🌱🍋🍊 4mo ago 💬 1

Oh no, a foreign government I have nothing to do with came up with dystopian laws for their citizens. What should I do in regard of that?

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Kayne 4mo ago

Uk USA Canada Australia Germany and France all have the same laws getting pushed through.

USA and Australia already passed these laws, Texas state internet censorship is actually the worst so far.

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🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 4mo ago

Why would you comply with some British people asking you not to develop software you and your loved ones seem to have survival uses for?

Do these people have some good argument for why you should comply?

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rabble 4mo ago

The UK government says they’re going to ban entry to the country anyone who violates the law and in some cases try and extradite to face criminal charges people who provide services to users in the UK without KYC age verification. It’s bonkers.

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🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 4mo ago

So get extradited. That's how life works, if people who want to lock you up and/or kill you have enough guns to pick random victims and you get picked, you're fucked. The goal is to have someone end up surviving, not to pretend you can magically guarantee it's yourself

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rabble 4mo ago 💬 1

That’s a grim vision you’ve embraced.

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🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 4mo ago

It's just sight.

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Kayne 4mo ago

I think that it's far more grim to comply and just let the Zionists win.

Their stated goal is to destroy humanity, to exterminate 95% of the world's population and enslave the survivors.

I'd rather die on my feet to be honest

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🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 4mo ago

The question isn't "will I be in the percentage of people who don't make it?"

The question is "how do we ensure that percentage isn't 100?"

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☕ Shitlord 10000, with a HARD R 4mo ago

Kill Your Customer

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SOVEREIGN Community Infrastructure 4mo ago

You have to continue building Nostr and remove the chokepoints

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rabble 4mo ago

Clearly we should be building better tor support in to our clients. And running relays with onion services.

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SOVEREIGN Community Infrastructure 4mo ago

Also mastodon and matrix federation for crucial groups

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miljan 4mo ago 💬 1

My understanding is that the UK Online Safety Act imposes KYC requirements only on large social media services, defined as Category 1, who have at least 7 million active users in the UK.

There are some obligations for smaller providers, like having mitigation practices for things like CSAM; stuff that I think most Nostr services already have in place.

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🇵🇸 whoever loves Digit 4mo ago

Are you implying it doesn't matter because you don't see any chance of failing to prevent nostr's growth with your "embrace extend extinguish" strategy?

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Kayne 4mo ago

This is not the way to think about it

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Dee 007 4mo ago

I think basically have a trust and reputation system where users see content that is trusted. Or exit the UK market. Or use the primal model. Maybe standardize the primal model so others can use it.

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Tim Bouma 4mo ago

My strategy is:

1. Collect no personal information

2. Encrypt everything

3. Store data on relays separate from the app

4. Make sure that only the user has the private key.

5. Any agent-type interfaces use a NWC-type interface via relays so that it is impossible to know where the listening agent resides.

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Orange Thoughts 4mo ago

Staying anonymous and not complying with any regulation. I don't see a way to fix the current system. The only way out is building a parallel one without bureaucrats.

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Russell 4mo ago

I want to protect my users so I will do my best to achieve this goal

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Beefy 4mo ago

They can take their laws and jam them right up their anal holes, is the nostr position.

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Bac0t 4mo ago

we dont need to worry, nobody uses nostr anyway lol

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Kayne 4mo ago

My prediction is that primal will be the only client in the app/play store soon.

They'll ban all the other clients.

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Frederic 4mo ago

This is exactly why decentralization matters — laws like OSA assume control and central authority. If compliance requires breaking Nostr’s principles, maybe the right move is to build more tools that make enforcement technically impossible.

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AngryMulbear 4mo ago

Nostr clients are equivalent to web browsers IMHO. Until Chrome/Firefox/Brave are forced to verify age, I wouldn't bother complying.

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cloud fodder 4mo ago

you first, what is nos.social doing?

you could de-list in the UK to show that you don't have any interest in supporting this. perhaps go one further and replace the app with one that just talks about why these regulations are bad.

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rabble 4mo ago

We’re going to block our web and relay services to UK ip addresses I think. But maybe also make a system where when a client can’t get to a relay or media server it tries to see if it can get the content over Tor just to handle if there is some network connectivity issues with a direct connection.

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ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 4mo ago

Molon Labe

force them to make a china style great firewall.

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ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 4mo ago

who gives a shit what they do in backwards ass third world countries anyway.

also,

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ᴛʜᴇ ᴅᴇᴀᴛʜ ᴏꜰ ᴍʟᴇᴋᴜ 4mo ago

i don't think anyone should give them any air time when in london you can have your mobile swiped right out of your hand by dudes in black riding motorcycles. where rape gets off with a tap on the wrist while they are putting people in jail for mean tweets, and daring to publish video of actual violence at protests and criminal activity.

anyone who is still there should do everything they can to get to USA or europe or anywhere else. shit is gonna get even worse yet.