Telegram CEO Pavel Durov is held in France, he’s not allowed to leave the country, the allegations are that Telegram enabled criminal activities on its platform. He seems to authentically support freedom of speech and want to protect privacy. That’s why I don’t understand why Telegram by default is NOT encrypted.
The other important learning is: if you are running a censorship resistant platform then stay anonymous. That’s why protecting Satoshi Nakamoto‘s real identity is crucial.
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Why go back to France during war time, where they already arested you once before, if you are a honeypot owner? Seems sus.
I understand. On the other hand, Telegram enabled criminal activities on its platform. What would you do if you were in place of a government body?
Abduct him, threaten him, make up fake charges, until he fully submits and cooperates with my secret agencies and agrees to do surveilance for me. This is the nature of the state.
I know, still, Telegram did enable criminal activities on its platform. Is this okay and what would you do about that? Hide harder? Is that what Anita says in the post?
I think the point is that "criminal activity" in this context is whatever the state wants it to be. And since the comunication on telegram is not encrypted, it is him who put himself in a position of allowing or not allowing someones comunication. In case of public groups, he put himself in position of allowing/not allowing public speech. It's a situation you do not want to be in.
Go after the criminals, not the platform.
If i offend you, would it be nostr's fault or mine? 🤷
I am pretty sure they go after criminals too.
They accused him because they wanted to control his platform. That is all.
He is not accountable and responsible for *his* platform, you say?
He is not accountable about what others do. Also, if he is, then google for example is for sure guilty too. How many criminals use google services for example?
But Micron deceived him anyway. He didn't accuse the company or send lawyers against him. He invited him in France and then detained him as soon he arrived with charges been made as he was on the plane. Do you know the story? It is obvious that they just wanted to control the platform.
Other than that Durov is not a guy i like though, just saying...
I would argue that if you are running a censorship resistant platform, then you are doing censorship resistance wrong.
Never write freedom tech that puts yourself or anyone else in a privileged role in the network.
this doesn't apply to running a relay
really it is about the client, i think?
there is no network if you let spammers determine the LCD of the equation
It depends. Relays are the Achilles' heel of nostr. They store and forward, often unencrypted, data. That makes them a target for censorship. It is a difficult, shifting target, but it does give governments someone to punish.
They can target authors of client software as well, but that doesn't stop the software from proliferating.
“Governments are good at cutting off the heads of a centrally controlled networks like Napster, but pure P2P networks like Gnutella and Tor seem to be holding their own.”
Durov is in France and detained again under the same accusations? Are you sure?
btw Telegram (Durov) had consented to other censorship actions before being detained (do not remember now what exactly). So not really a free speech platform.
The last thing that i heard about him though, is that France asked him to silence the right sector accounts from Romania before the recent elections and he denied. He said that he could go to Romania to testify if asked...
The president of Signal Foundation is free and public. Why? Because no matter how much anyone tortures her, she literally cannot give over user data. Signal has robust end-to-end encryption. I don't know why Durov left Telegram open to censorship. He had the resources to secure it. Ignorance, greed, stupidity, blackmail. I can only speculate.
Leaders of nations enable criminal activities to happen within the land that they govern either directly or in-directly, yet we don't see the law hold these people accountable, put them in jail or hold them against their will. Rules for thee, but not for meeeeeeee! 🍊
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> That’s why I don’t understand why Telegram by default is NOT encrypted.
Telegram is almost certainly a Russian honeypot. A rather successful one: it's even still widely used in Ukraine, and was used at the beginning of the full scale invasion before they finally switched to Signal. The freedom of speech stance is just a way to get more users.
Most likely Durov has pissed off Putin somehow and was likely to end up killed. So fleeing to France to face charges was his next best option.
He's no hero. He built a dangerous service with atrocious privacy.
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Durov is blackmailed.
Enough said.
Yes true! In fact telegram is not resistant to censorship. And it is not true that he defends freedom of speech in any case. Many users are blocked. Not on nostr🤷♂️
It seems to me that there is another round of anti-Telegram psychosis being force memed on nostr. The same old narratives and speculations without any proofs all over again. If they hate TG so much, why don't they just stop using it and STFU? And why on earth they are so fixated exactly on TG, why don't they talk about WhatsApp, Viber, threema or any other beta messenger? As if these same 100 people have nothing better to do as virtue signal their pureness to each other.
