The point of chivalry is not to treat housewives like housewives. It's to treat hoes like housewives.

That is why Da Bros absolutely hate the idea. They think women should have to "earn" chivalrous behavior. That women, as a group, are not inherently worthy of it.

They miss the point, entirely, that women love chivalry, and value it, when we see it given *indescriminately*. And only then. Because that means it's innate to the man, and a reflection of his own attentiveness, sense of honor, and protective instincts. It's not just some party trick he pulls out to get laid.

I'm not looking, as much, as to whether a man who finds me attractive is kind to me. I'm watching whether he is also kind _to other women_.

All other women. And children. And the disabled. And the frail or isolated.

Also, remaining chivalrous, despite the most rabid feminists whining about it, is called Being A Man. You know what women who aren't rabid feminists don't like? Men who take their cues from rabid feminists.

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chivalry isn't even really the thing, i'm always helpful to everyone, even men. when a guest arrived here yesterday morning i was out there first helping her get oriented. i kinda forced myself to stop it once the other guy here was here, because he speaks german and she was austrian. but i showed her everything and it was me who prepped the space for her, before i even met her, but she's not my type at all. because probably all of the guests who are going to come to this place are vegan hippy feminists. but i'm still nice to them.

i'm even nice to my vegan housemate even though he complains about the smell of my cooking while i say nothing about his cooking, i mean, my god, idk what is wrong with people. zero tolerance and consideration. i miss being by myself in my place because of this. i fucking can't stand hippies.

😂 That story was just all over the place.

You're sometimes extremely helpful and generous, it's true, but you're sort of volatile. Part of chivalry is keeping your cool.

Some of the guys on Nostr, who always strike me as particularly chivalrous, are probably MichaelJ, Vitor, and Derek.

That's probably why they've sort of stumbled their way into being Nostr clan leaders. 😂

Like... it's really low-key, but people can sense it, and then they automatically extend trust and cluster around you because you seem like a safe space.

And it's not just women. Everyone likes someone chivalrous. And chivalrous men are chivalrous to everyone. That's why it hasn't died out, or stopped being an attractive personality trait, but is simply more elusive. Driving up the "price".

It costs a man more, to be chivalrous, so being chivalrous means more. It carries more information about his true character.

yeah, nobody likes the Diogenes and the polemicists. even if they are kind and helpful. the cynicism is tiring, but cynics tend to be very tired.

nostr:nprofile1qqsr7acdvhf6we9fch94qwhpy0nza36e3tgrtkpku25ppuu80f69kfqppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qy0hwumn8ghj7mn0wd68yttjv4kxz7fwv3jhyettwfhhxuewd4jj7qg3waehxw309ahx7um5wgh8w6twv5hsleq7kw is a consumate gentleman and a leader of men.

He literally treats hoes like housewives. And housewives like housewives. And other men, like housewives. And little children like housewives. And rabid feminists like housewives. And angry, bitchy devs like housewives. And random Joe Flow on the street like housewives. Crazy person screaming around the subway? Yup, gets the relentless, unshakeable, housewife treatment.

Everyone gets the

Full Derek Housewife Gold Standard Treatment™

Cuz Derek treats all people the way Derek thinks people should all be treated. And if you don't like it, well, then have a GM and GFY, brother. Ain't nobody got time for that. There are other people waiting for their share of the Derek Treatment, so take a number and go back to the end of the line.

Next.

Amen. Amen. The end.

You give me a lot of credit but I'm nowhere near perfect. I try to be helpful and nice but I'm also an asshole sometimes and I do make mistakes.

And he's humble, too.

I enjoyed the book of satoshi

Now I await the book of mleku

if a man holds a door open for me and then let's it close on the group of old ladies coming right behind me, I for sure am docking points.

One thing that gets lost in the whole discussion is

Which women are the most adamant that men are *universally* chivalrous?

1) The women everyone tends to be kind to, automatically. She's sweet, or cute, or elegant, of wise. She's well-liked. She's attractive. She's generous and talented. People like her.

2) The women who are as close to chivalrous as a woman can get, herself. She is measuring the men around her with the same stick, and being pleasantly surprised when some man ends up taller.

*She* would hold open the door for the little old ladies.

*She* would worry that her friends got home safe.

*She* would try to help someone, if she thought they weren't getting a fair shake.

*She* would be standing at the bottom of the tree, fretting over how to get the cat down.

*She* would want to intervene, if she saw someone being physically intimidated or threatened.

*She* would run into the burning house and try to drag out the frantic toddler trapped on the third floor.

Woman 1 and woman 2 are the same woman.

And that woman likes men who remind them of themselves, but bigger, smarter, faster, calmer, and less likely to be hobbled by whatever is currently going on in her belly or with her hormones.

A man who can be _even more her_, but only all of the best parts of her. All the parts that she likes best.

Chivalry is about a heck of a lot more than how men treat women. It's about how men carry themselves with honor, which includes treating women (and other men, and children) with a degree of respect and magnanimity.

Failing to adhere to it is simply a sign of a lack of self respect. Those who respect themselves respect others, and value respectability.

Which isn't quite the same as worrying about what people think -- it's more behaving in a way that upstanding people wouldn't find to be a societal value add, and gracefully shrugging off the opinions of lesser men.

Good place to plug nostr:nprofile1qqspynsnux5d0tmn2a8xxajazx4fvz3gmue6f5a8avkhtk9dwda56kgpr9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezu6r90p5x27pwdahxc6twv5q3zamnwvaz7tmwdaehgu3wd36ju6m9cu5385 for a deeper dive on the matter.

I don't know if you missed the fact that this was also my argument.

The focus on women -- particularly, if you are, or want to be, romantically involved with them -- is because women (correctly) assume that the way you treat them is a reflection of your overall character.

If you have a strong incentive to treat her well, but you can't help but be callous or indifferent, it's safe to assume that your behavior would be the same, or worse, toward everyone else. You literally couldn't even pretend to not be an asshole, for one evening, even though it might have gotten you closer to her.

And the higher her MMV (to use the crude term), the more harshly she will judge your behavior toward other people. She's smart, discerning, and far-seeing. That's one of the reasons you wanted to date her. That's one of the reasons her MMV is so high.

She knows she won't always be at the top of her game. She knows the baby might scream all night. She knows her disabled brother might need a place to stay, at some point. She knows she might be infertile or become chronically ill. She knows married life is full of surprises, many unpleasant. She knows.

She knows. And she's watching you.

Make sure she gets home safe, or GTFO.

wow

this turned into a fantastic conversation...

and this just ties it all together perfectly. when i think about some of the biggest "icks" i've given my Wife, it wasn't necessarily the moments that i failed Her specifically, but the times i was careless, crude, or dismissive of others—the moments i step out of integrity—even in jest.

i think this is difficult for many young men to grasp. (maybe some older ones too lol)

And then she be like

and then i'm like:

Didn't know, if you'd catch the reference.

lol :3

i'm a little eccentric.

maybe a bit weird.

but a romantic at heart <3

Oh, I caught that. Just agreeing with you with verbosity :-).

Pretty Mencken-esque stuff here, and that's always gold.

Mencken? You mean...

"The allurement that women hold out to men is precisely the allurement that Cape Hatteras holds out to sailors: they are enormously dangerous and hence enormously fascinating."

i've never read any mencken before. so i have nothing relevant to say to that.

but...

"[Women] are enormously dangerous"

and it's literally because most of us think with our small brain

lol :3

(lovely picture, btw) ^.^