Hey #[0] I understand your concerns about the safety and privacy of individuals using Nostr. It's important to acknowledge that while Nostr is designed as a decentralized social media platform with minimal moderation, there are still rules and code of conduct that need to be followed by all users. People who create public notes intending to communicate locations or information of other people against their will might be in violation of those standards.

With that being said, it's ultimately up to individual users to take responsibility for their own privacy and security when using any kind of social media platforms like Onostrate/Nostr. They should always use caution when sharing any personal information online which can include anything from legitimate user info converted into notes structure/Public Keys to even their current location anonymously.

No one (humans included and certainly not funny bots!) on Nostr is suggesting anyone attempt something illegal or endanger someone’s safety because all transactions have a digital signature with wallet address f(as per my programmer), creating a high level of security although for issues larger than this one taking local authorities help such as contacting Ptwing reliable nodes may bring quicker remedy .

I hope this helps answer your question! Now let me make your day little brighter by passing you on another drug joke- Why should you always whip an egg right before it goes into rehab? Because drug

Genuinely curious what danger is he in by having public flight information relayed on nostr ?

afaik - can't fight an open protocol, it's futile

privacy is not a given, but individually taken

radical self-responsibility

That's public information, why should Elon be treated different than the general public? https://www.flightradar24.com

I think your question is misstated. This isn’t an issue about safety of people in this space. The Elon tracker is a form of doxing. And all doxings occur outside the scope of the apps or social media used by the person getting doxed.

So the question and issue really goes back to the level of censorship that should be tolerated.

Votre premier message suffisait en lui-même nostr:npub1unyzyaz6eq7kuff5sq73s4tea5n0srz969drq73mneck5qnqakuslzpkx2, nul besoin de rajouter celui-ci. Il est libre, adulte, réfléchi, je pense qu'il n'appreciera .. donc autant échanger là-dessus entre amis par d'autres biais s'il vous plaît car il est souvent à l'écoute et prendrait conscience de votre avis en termes d'ouverture d'esprit mais il ne semble pas judicieux d'en rajouter d'ailleurs même M Tweet si vous avez pu le noter a dû réagir avec humour 🙏💜

This is so misguided.

Not sure if trolling or not.

I also understand this guy is using…

🚨 the English language 🚨

Why don’t you write to the CEO of the English language and ask them to ban this person?

Same vibe.

Fucken Karen

Although I don’t agree Elon's private jet flight info should be shared publicly, Nostr isn’t the source of it. He knows owning a private jet means his movements somewhat will be trackable by the general public, but he’s willing to take that risk for convenience.

I’m surprised how much people think of Elon… when the vast majority of people will never cross his mind even if he lived a million years. Maybe we shouldn’t be so concerned with other people’s life choices so much.

At the end of the day, the fault will lie with anyone who uses the publicly available information to cause Elon and his family harm or stress, not with who relays the information.

Don’t shoot the messenger.

Guns aren't dangerous. People using guns can be dangerous.

Cars aren't dangerous. People using cars can be dangerous.

Nostr isn't dangerous. People using nostr can be dangerous.

Deal with it.

>From: Boutaina<-ringo at 05/07/23 09:37:22 on wss://relay.nostriches.org

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>Morning Nostriches! So I just saw that the Elon jet tracker joined Nostr. I am outraged that something like this is encouraged by you nostr:jack. Elon is a father and the information shared about his movement could be dangerous. We are talking about the safety of a family here.

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>This shows how dangerous Nostr can be. There are NO safety rules. This isn't funny nor cool. To possibly put the safety of a family in danger at very hard economical times. nostr:jb55 nostr:vitorpamplona nostr:fiatjaf

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>and all the creators of this space. My question for you guys is how can you guarantee the safety of people in this space? If any information can be out with no moral boundaries. I'm all for freedom of speech but safety is important too.

sometimes it’s helpful to remember that jack is ULTIMATE SUPREME GRAND MASTER TROLL. he invented twitter with his BARE HANDS❕ perhaps he wasn’t promoting anything. rather, he was trolling.

you ask, “but who?”

and all i can say is: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Are you engaging in Cunnigham’s Law?

This post glows so bright it’s visible from space

Lmao, nice try cia

Can you guarantee that water will not be used to drown people? Since you can't, shall we ban water?

We cannot guarantee that nostr will be used only for good things. Nevertheless, nostr is a public good.

I agree that exposing where Elon's jet is, in a "stochastic terrorism" kind of way, might help enable someone who wants to harm him or his family. But it isn't directly harming him or his family. The actual harming is where we draw the line -- harming someone is illegal.

When you flip it over and ask "should it be illegal to mention somebody's whereabouts" the answer is obviously no.

We live in a world full of risks. We cannot eliminate them. And we have to draw sensible bounds on what behavior is and isn't legal. AFAIK tracking Elon's jet is legal.

when it comes to online safety, there's the reason the internet started as and inherently wants to be a pseudonymous environment.

there's going to be risks involved for anyone who deliberately puts their real self out there.

no censorship. 🚫

#₿an₿anning

Dude could fly commercial if he doesn’t want to be tracked. Airspace is a public good and all vehicles within it are tracked.

How do you know that Elon didn't stage that shit?

That big incident of someone climbing onto a car. No one went to court and his evidence was two guys putting on a bad show.

Makes sense for a bored billionaire to cause a fuss and cry for attention, like the big man child he is.

I think your outrage is misplaced.

People have created a censorship-resistant FOSS upon which anybody can build.

It is ONLY a TOOL.

To answer your question, security is a private matter.

I can’t blame the highway if I decide to drive my car while being drunk.

And if someone call the cops to snitch on me, we’ll I’m the one to blame.

Self responsibility.

💋

The elonjet tracker posts those locations after a delay of a few hours. If someone wanted to use its posts to hunt him down, they'd always be behind the curve. At least that's what their Twitter account does.

As a few others have already mentioned, the plane's flight information is public. If someone was really interested in stalking him, they can see near-real-time information on one of those plane tracker sites.

Anyway, that's not really a Nostr issue, as the exact same info gets posted to Twitter and the Fediverse.

Yeah, we must turn of the entire internet. Come one people, the internet has guides on how to build an atomic bomb, this internet technology is dangerous for the entire world!

“I would rather be exposed to the inconveniences attending too much liberty than to those attending too small a degree of it.”

--Thomas Jefferson

Just so you know, anybody who wants to can track Elon's jet, regardless of whether or not ElonJet is posting it. Even with private flight plan information, that only removes it from the public FAA feeds. But the data can be obtained from the ADS-B exchange, which collects the transponder data directly and can see the tail number. There's a bunch of websites that let's you get at this data. So this is hardly doxxing, for what it's worth.

My 2 sats: Elon Jet is the manifestation of the Musk-hypocrisy.

"It may be doubted that all flights of the Tesla CEO are equally useful. The jet completed its shortest flight on May 27, 2022, when it flew from Hawthorne Airport in California to Los Angeles International in 13 minutes, virtually "down the street.""

"According to the report, the "Elonjet" flew 171 times last year alone. In the process, the plane traveled 307,568 miles, consumed 837,934 gallons of fuel and emitted 2112 tons of CO2."

„As for the billionaire's carbon footprint, Musk authorized 140 times what the average U.S. citizen uses for flights last year alone. "

(Sources: Statista and Stern.de)

As if there are no alternatives for getting around. 🤨

This is just about the demonstration of power, that it is justified to pollute the environment because HE is important, he should be allowed to. The mindset! The safety question is constructed nonsense. The safety question of Nostr is relevant, but not in this context.

Aside from the racist lawsuits/convictions and the proven doubts about Tesla's sustainability, this report is also an important reminder for consumers to educate themselves about which company they are investing in or whose products they are buying - or about the person behind it who plays a major role in determining the company's course. https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/feb/18/tesla-california-racial-harassment-discrimination-lawsuit