Another thing the apple person said on the call: you can sell physical things with zaps and apple will not take a cut. So stores that sell physical things with zaps is still in play on Damus.
non-physical things like 🐈 photos unfortunately are not allowed unless it’s through apple pay.
Maybe a PWA will be needed in the end if we want to do stuff like that :/
But you can't sell those things
People just tip sats in appreciation. No digital goods being sold
Each zap receives a physical post it note ......which is held in safe keeping by the client. ;)
All my posts are physical hand written notes!
What about a type of ‘service’ does that work?
Twitter has to pay 30% cut to Apple if subscribed to their service via iPhone app. 🐶🐾🫡
Ok let’s just pay the 30% and move on ffs! I’m completely fine with that if that’s what it takes to keep this going! 💜
If it was this easy. 🐶🐾😭
Its not about the 30%. You cannot use Lightning. I would be fine with 90% if that would get Apple on the Lightning Network though 😅
Makes no sense to me. I can’t understand apple view on this matter
Wow…
I get a cut for physical items I advertise for on my podcast and the cut is sent to me via zaps (some on Damus). Do you think that could be considered "digital advertising", therefore a "digital service"?
I'd say, since your cut is a donation from the seller and not a payment for an advertising service, no. But they'll find the way to lawyer that into a yes and ask you for a third of what you get.
The only thing I’m worried about is how to securely store private key in PWA. Native apps have access to the device secure store. I’m not sure a PWA can do that.
Any advice? I’m also interested for my own Zerologin mobile app.
PWA or sideload.. and this way we finish staying at Apple' mercy
I like pwa :)
Would a PWA mean that desktop might come back? Was curious if that was an option now that the nsec “exploit” seems to be solved.
What a joke
Oops I zapped you again!
You call that a zap? 🐶🐾🤣😂
Im not a zapillionaire like you!
Me neither! Don’t confuse degeneracy and generosity for me having a lot of sats! I am probably one of the poorest zappers around, and getting poorer by the day! 🐶🐾🤣😂😭😭😭
Selling goods good, selling services bad. Fucking retarded.
I always wondered why bitcoiners who are pro freedom and pro decentralization are sticking to the worst centralized tech monopoly ? Not even mentioning the privacy part...
Half of my replies are comments like this but its clearly missing the point. Most people are normies and not bitcoiners. Apple is a huge market, and its a great place to orangepill precoiners.
Has to be a balance 🤨
will there be a time that we will all need just a "single-purpose device" to navigate the new value streams forming atm; a device that will be designed to perform #valuetransfer and everything in it will be optimised for this particular use case. (smth like barcode scanners, digital cameras, iPods, Kindles etc)?
#chatGPT, this sounds like of a hardware wallet to me:
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Designing a single-purpose device specifically for transferring value between peers can be a good idea, particularly in certain contexts or for specific use cases. As an innovation consultant, I can provide you with some specifications to consider:
1. **Security:** Ensuring robust security measures to protect the value being transferred is crucial. Consider implementing encryption, secure protocols, and tamper-resistant hardware to prevent unauthorized access or tampering.
2. **User-Friendly Interface:** The device should have a simple and intuitive user interface that enables seamless peer-to-peer transactions. Consider a touchscreen or minimal button interface for ease of use.
3. **Connectivity Options:** Provide various connectivity options to accommodate different user preferences. This could include options like NFC (Near Field Communication), Bluetooth, or even QR code scanning capabilities.
4. **Transaction Verification:** Incorporate mechanisms for transaction verification, such as digital signatures or two-factor authentication, to ensure the integrity and authenticity of each transaction.
5. **Offline Capability:** Consider designing the device to support offline transactions, allowing users to transfer value even in areas with limited or no internet connectivity. Offline transaction records can be securely synchronized once the device reconnects to the network.
6. **Portability and Durability:** Make the device portable and durable to facilitate usage in different environments. Consider factors such as size, weight, and ruggedness, ensuring it can withstand regular usage without compromising its functionality.
7. **Compatibility:** Ensure compatibility with existing digital payment systems, cryptocurrencies, or other peer-to-peer value transfer networks to provide seamless integration with existing financial ecosystems.
8. **Power Management:** Optimize power consumption to extend battery life, allowing for prolonged usage between charges. Consider energy-efficient components and power-saving features.
9. **Scalability:** Consider the potential for future growth and scalability of the device. This could involve modular design elements or software updates to accommodate evolving peer-to-peer transfer needs and emerging technologies.
Remember, these specifications can serve as a starting point, and it's essential to conduct thorough market research, analyze user requirements, and iterate on the design to create a device that meets specific user needs in the most effective manner.
Looks like at least for Europeans side loading of apps is on the horizon. 🫣
Apple aren’t making coherent sense here but I’m sure you know that.
Apple Pay is available in El Salvador but I bet you couldn’t use their legal tender through that service - maybe Bukele needs to demand Bitcoin support?
Apple is waging war on artists #smashtheapple
If I remember correctly the Hey! case [1] set a precedent for preventing the blockage from the app store. The argument there was that Hey was an existing business and as long as their app didn’t push the sale of their own subscription, the app could stay. Much like Netflix.
I’m new and naive here, but the way I see it Damus hasn’t pushed/promote the sale of anything, being the “consumer app” of an “existing business”. And as far as zaps goes, you are linking to outside wallets, in which case, even if you need to remove the links, hopefully you could still point users to an online page/PWA with instructions (not ideal but would preserve the consumer nature of the argument)
In the end I hope you can find a solution, as I’m rooting for the future of #nostr and this app.
What a whole lotta horse shit
PWA sounds like a great idea! #Zaps are one of the greatest things about Damus and the Nostr ecosystem. These cucks can pound sand.
Quite the opposite to attract you to their team! It is really a flaw on the part of ‘Apple’ not to be able to count you among its warm investors or minions...
By far, ‘Damus’, is an obstacle to their business! Closely, it is a powerful tool that is used to bypass almost all the centralized systems in place to make money by being a content creator, either an activist or an unemployed person who tries to get out of the daily mess.
"Damus, may seem like a sloppy-second platform"!
So Apple will intentionally fuck up the user experience of bitcoin and freedom apps to keep its walled garden and growing interest in payments secure
Elle a toujours fait cela d'où en fait les amendes qu'elle paie surtout au niveau européen. Je me demande si le coup qu'il fait à Damus n'est pas suscité par la nouvelle loi Influencer du 10 juin 23 de la France qui certainement s'étendre sur l'EU, de plus ça tombe au même moment où ils sont tous présents à Vivatech 2023 à Paris avec le Président de la République Française, les grands de la Technologie (Apple Alphabet Google, Méta, Amazon , les milliers er Fournisseurs d'accès Internet, sans oublier les premiers plus riches de la Planète ..) Occasion certes d'évoquer le phénomène nostr , et toute cette ère de la décentralisation..) Elon y était présent et c'est jusqu'au 17 juin . je me demande pourquoi nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m même s'il ne peut pas être partout n'aurait pas intérêt, pour le compte des diverses compagnies et son adhésion sur ce protocole et son soutien pour Damus d'envoyer un des pointures de Block qui maitrise le sujet aller le représenter du événement annuel en France aux parcs des expositions. L'an dernier fut l'occasion pour CZ royalement après Versailles, de se déployer en France alors que le Bitcoin n'y est point et cryptos n'y sont pas reconnus...Cherchez l'erreur paradoxalement c'est le citoyen qui se fait avoir royalement en taxes, de plus on lui republiquera toujours que nul n'est censé ignorer la loi. ..Penchez vous sur cet aspect.. à creuser
Elle a toujours fait cela d'où en fait les amendes qu'elle paie surtout au niveau européen. Je me demande si le coup qu'il fait à Damus n'est pas suscité par la nouvelle loi Influencer du 10 juin 23 de la France qui certainement s'étendre sur l'EU, de plus ça tombe au même moment où ils sont tous présents à Vivatech 2023 à Paris avec le Président de la République Française, les grands de la Technologie (Apple Alphabet Google, Méta, Amazon , les milliers er Fournisseurs d'accès Internet, sans oublier les premiers plus riches de la Planète ..) Occasion certes d'évoquer le phénomène nostr , et toute cette ère de la décentralisation..) Elon y était présent et c'est jusqu'au 17 juin . je me demande pourquoi nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m même s'il ne peut pas être partout n'aurait pas intérêt, pour le compte des diverses compagnies et son adhésion sur ce protocole et son soutien pour Damus d'envoyer un des pointures de Block qui maitrise le sujet aller le représenter du événement annuel en France aux parcs des expositions. L'an dernier fut l'occasion pour CZ royalement après Versailles, de se déployer en France alors que le Bitcoin n'y est point et cryptos n'y sont pas reconnus...Cherchez l'erreur paradoxalement c'est le citoyen qui se fait avoir royalement en taxes, de plus on lui republiquera toujours que nul n'est censé ignorer la loi. ..Penchez vous sur cet aspect.. à creuser
I prefer real apps, but I’d work with a PWA if that’s what’s required.
PWA PWA PWA
PWA ... puts a shortcut button for the user to install in the home
Regarding the NFT - some people sells things on other online platform that the seller put a picture about a mathbox as a listed item. But in the background you can see a Patek Philippe watch. The buyer put the matchbox in the basket and pays for it, the seller pays the x% fee for the platform operator after the matchbox price. As a "side effect" they can connect directly each other and do the real business regarding the Patek.
Using that as a "best practice" you can buy a real and existing matchbox for #sat and you can get an NFT as a gift. But in this case the matchbox price is not so cheap, it is the NFT price (which is now a gift). At the end of the business you can forget to locally pick up the matchbox. You bought the "expensive" matchbox without using ApplePay, and fuck off Apple. And the matchbox is "reusable" for selling...
That’s the right decision: PWA. Fuck Apple
I still don’t understand why Apple thinks we are buying notes with zaps?
They don't. They're throwing up nonsense road blocks to keep Will spinning his wheels. Once you've done weeks of work to comply with their nonsense, they'll throw up another roadblock and tell you you're almost there. Then when they're tired of the game they'll just block the app anyway.
The actual issue is that Nostr doesn't censor. Apple is part of a tiny group of megacorps that believe if they can't have strict control over something, it shouldn't exist.
They just want money
Counter offer: Make it a website and tell Apple to go fuck themselves.
Are photos not art, and art is a physical thing? How much would it cost to bring a lawyer in to navigate this development? Remember, whoever offers a document defining the legal constraints to the system will likely be ultimately defeated. Yes, Apple is Goliath, but they seem to be reasonable and listen when the people speak. We all need to speak up and let them know that Damus fits their political agenda and is popular with We, The People.
PWA will also dramatically expand Damus across all operating systems. You have already nailed the UI design.
Then just sell something physical. Like a piece of the moon. Or a grain of sand on the moon (pickup only).
Perhaps remove the zap functionality or have it a hidden functionality
