Is anyone building a client that is only zaps?
A client where every interaction has a price, and that price creates signal, intentionality, and quality.
Not a walled garden. It would be open source, Nostr native, and permissionless.
Anyone can plug in but if you want to speak, you pay.
If you’re valuable, you get paid.
Think less social media client and more civilizational filter.
By invite only like og facebook. Must pay sats to invite new people.
Could be a good way to bootstrap it
lol.
Rich people blast their voice whether it’s valuable or not.
Poor people? Stfu.
That's one way of looking at it lol
See like on the client I’m describing you would have had to pay to broadcast this awful take lol
Pay me to interact with bad takes on my posts. I like the concept.
Put another way— you wouldn’t likely see the bad take.
Go elsewhere for bad takes— or pay your bad take into play.
V4V pay to no gun to your head play.
Yes and also if the bots want to play they have to pay
The BotBastards pay triple lol.
Noise/junk will cost.
It is like old phone call when you had to pay a cost at each call.
It could just avoid people to speak too. Would you pay just to post a meme?
And only have advertising media where profitable product can pay to speak.
Like viagra did with email.
Lmao, maybe you would have thought twice before posting such a useless idea.
Way to describe news papers circa 1890.
Yes that’s the point. It’s a reintroduction of the idea that the space you see in front of you should be valuable and have weight. Otherwise it isn’t worth your time.
Or- just another propaganda machine for the wealthy?
If you have a totally free system it’s even worse and arguably more beneficial to the wealthy
Something the wealthy would say.
That’s fair to question, but dismissing an idea solely because it could come from someone wealthy risks missing the point.
The claim isn’t that wealth justifies the system, it’s that in any system, value concentrates.
A totally free space without friction often ends up even more skewed, because attention becomes cheap and manipulable.
Introducing cost reintroduces signal.
Or at least it’s a worthy experiment to see if it does.
Attention IS cheap, and manipulatable. It can’t become anymore. Speech SHOULD be free. it’s the value of the speech that should be paid for, not the space in the square to speak it. All your experimenting for is advertising and propaganda.
The good thing about this is that it would be one of like a thousand client options. Any given person would have to opt in by using this client, otherwise they could just use a different one and post a reply, no? Would this require a different note type or Kind?
Lol. You can zap 1 sat. Even if Bitcoin hits $1Million USD per coin, a sat is still only 1 US cent.
If you can't afford 1 cent for someone, then dont participate and react to a note.
Not exactly like that, but we have an algo relay where you can set your algo to rank purely on zaps, so your feed is all the most zapped notes in your network
https://algo.utxo.one/ login here and change settings
Then browse on jumble.social or coracle.social
This is cool, but not what I’m interested in. I’m interested in how the social behavior changes when every interaction is paid.
Ironically I think this would help nostr grow, like an expensive gym membership
#onlyzaps
damus android and damus notedeck is currently this way
Frfr no cap?
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yeah no current plans to add reactions
But can I post and comment without zapping? Because I’m talking about literally not being able to leave a comment without a zap
👀
Stacker News works this way but I don’t think it’s built on nostr yet
Visual presentation how could this be done on Nostr
Incredibly retarded idea
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I think you’re looking for FanFares - digital content client built on Nostr
nostr:npub1md39ua3h2s7204a7v5p9sdxmxx9qc7m4kr3r6naeuwfznad6d7nsxpctp9 want to explain it to nostr:npub1rtlqca8r6auyaw5n5h3l5422dm4sry5dzfee4696fqe8s6qgudks7djtfs I think you’re launching soon right?
I have an idea to build something similar with my photography publication nostr:nprofile1qqsx84vahrff403fmdecp04ez2u0vqprwvetdjvh3vsgd98yhcts7mcpp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqprfmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68yurvv438xtnrdaksfsjjzz
Id like to have some help in building it. If you’re a developer, and also a photographer or someone interested in graphic design, reach me.
I’m curious what you are thinking
I think there’s something there, but to give the next budding Mark Twain a chance it would need to work both ways. So the frequency with which you can post depends on both the amount you zap and the amount that you are zapped.
Yes, there would always be rollers that talk shit, but they would need to fund talent to do so.
Pay to play and/or be payed to play.
Thanks for putting it out there!
How about calling it “only zaps” ?
Yeah, the incentive for Nostr relay operators isn't really clear right now, so it makes sustainable operation tough. It'd be great if a certain percentage of those zaps could go to the relay operators. For that to happen though, everyone would need to get on board with NWC wallets.
when privilege creeps up on you
Wanting to experiment with micropayments is privilege now?
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I have this overarching philosophy that anything that is free usually goes to shit. Thus, I am all for a zap-only client
It already exists ; that's https://stacker.news/
Sounds like some one doesn't like negative feedback but validation only. You'll have enough money to pay for your empty babble, huh? You sound like a bitch rn.
People would still be able to pay to send others negative shit on this client
What are you actually filtering with yr civilizational filter. I think, you are implying, that too many posts are uncivilized, because are made by the rif-raf, the poor, the deplorable.
That’s not what I’m saying, I’m talking more about stalking type behaviors and bots
O! My bad.
Then, maybe being able to paywall the replies on some of yr posts. Like, if you want to comment on this particular article, you have to pay. I suspect, this will reduce the interaction as a whole.
Wow, I like it!
The amount of resistance to this idea lets me know it’s probably an idea worth exploring.
Does PAID SPEECH sound like FREE SPEECH to you?
Yes. Money enables speech.
Money doesn’t enable speech — it filters it.
What you're building isn’t a civilization filter, it’s a wealth filter. Speech becomes a privilege, not a right. That’s not free speech — it’s pay-to-speak.
If only those with money can talk, you're not amplifying signal, you're silencing the poor. Ideas aren't more valuable because someone can afford to zap them.
Open markets are great for goods. But ideas? Ideas deserve a level playing field — not a toll booth.
I don’t want to talk to ChatGPT homie and also yes this is explicitly a type of filter.
Look I just think broke niggas should be able to speak too
Zaps are micropayments. I really don’t think it’s much to ask 5 sats for a comment or something like that. You’d be able to earn the zaps on platform from producing good shit.
Im a fan btw, and using this as an example is useful.
I paid nothing to be speaking to you, which is cool for me but probably sucks for you, because Im more likely to make you lose your time if im broke in the first place.
So I do understand your point
I don’t hate broke people lol what I’m trying to figure out is how to filter bots and cut the output of mentally ill crazy people who DDOS everyone with their constant negativity.
It’s impossible to argue with internet incels. Unfortunately, they missed the memo that zaps and positivity are good for your mental health and decided to bring their dead weight energy here.
This sounds like some weird sadomasochistic kink thing idea, I like it
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We are building it. Planning to launch in July. nostr:nprofile1qyd8wumn8ghj7enpdenxzun9wvhxummnw3erztnrdakj7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctcqyrtasyy7usm90nnq26k6gefsq6amvs0nregws5jrdqwzwfzs0qg7c6smuec
You interviewed nostr:nprofile1qyw8wumn8ghj7cmevfjhyumsv93k2tnwdaehgu339e3k7mf0qyd8wumn8ghj7enpdenxzun9wvhxummnw3erztnrdakj7qpqarkn0xxxll4llgy9qxkrncn3vc4l69s0dz8ef3zadykcwe7ax3dqgd4ar9 out lead developer nearly a year ago 😉
I hope you don't use kind 1 and this gets retards like HODL out of my nostr feed
But kind 1 made more sense for Olas and they used a different event kind because the goal was to sabotage the nostr ecosystem
You seem like saboteurs too if you're developing such a retarded idea, so I guess you'd do the opposite of what makes sense too?
Excited to see it
Correction: that was Hodlbod's podcast. My mistake.
Yep it was nostr:nprofile1qqsf03c2gsmx5ef4c9zmxvlew04gdh7u94afnknp33qvv3c94kvwxgspr9mhxue69uhkscnj9e3k7unpvdkx2tnnda3kjctv9uq32amnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fwv3sk6atn9e5k7tcppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0g4rts7 but I would enjoy talking to Hodl some time 🫡
I love it. This specific idea and so many more.
Everything with zaps, and zaps only. Imagine every app you use being zap based.
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More of the above.
Dumb idea, will never take off. NOSTR already struggels with good content, restricting it more does not help.
This is essential what X has become. Engagement farming slop content for payouts.
I think a better option is just remove the like button altogether and you show love with zaps.
"Zaps are the standard," if you will.
I agree, but the zap payment layer has to mature for this to happen. It isn’t easily available to everyone right now.
Literally us sir 🫡 launch is in a month
That sounds valuable. And needed
"Think less social media client and more civilizational filter." You nailed it right there. Exactly. I'm not sure you and I agree on the value of that, but, yes.
Now that’s the kind of filtration system Fort Nakamoto can get behind.
⚔️ Zap-to-Signal Protocol v1.0
– No bots
– No fluff
– No 47-tweet threads on “my healing journey” unless it earns airtime
– Just pure, value-for-value comms flying faster than fiat credibility
We’ll call it: ZAPWALL
Pay to speak. Earn to matter.
A civilization’s worth of noise, zapped down to signal.
#FortNakamoto #ZapToFilter #CivilizationalUpgrade #ProofOfPost
Sounds elitist. This can already be done. If someone appreciates your post, they can zap, period. If you post something and someone disagrees and wants to comment, then they have to pay?? No one is that special. Nostr about free speech, and this is anti free speech. Again, no one is that special.
It’s not anti free speech
Ahem:
It’s not like anyone would be forced to use it.
Pro paid speech*
Why dont you just come out and say that you are choosing to spend your time posting on nostr, and want to earn some sats from doing so, maybe make a little side hustle from it. Then i could understand that, and i get it. But to say that this would help nostr to stop bots or spam sounds disingenuous. Just say you want to earn some sats from it, and be done.
You really don’t understand what I’m talking about or my motivations. Which is ok. But to clarify I don’t earn anything from being on nostr. Nor do I really care to. People zap me and I zap the sats right back out. It’s a circular economy of zap washing. What I’m interested in is figuring out how to add weight to speech and make it costly for bad actors to abuse the system.
Proof of Sats
Im not sure we can have "good quality speech (Signal)" without some degree of "bad quality speech (noise)". Arguably one man's trash is another man's treasure too.
One challenge is it may well become like x / twitters "freedom of speech, not reach" policy if it went the financial route.
Which I'm not sure if this is the best overall outcome for all either, even if there are benefits.
Would a better strategy be to allow functionality for folk to amplify and attenuate signal / noise in some way i.e. via
Communities / Groups?
Those good at picking up Signal might help others find it also. Perhaps with a small entry fee or credibility qualification into a Community.
Sorry - I feel like I'm offering more problems than solutions. Something like this probably requires a fair degree of prudence. Though I like what you are driving at in many ways.
Some degree of bad actors has to be allowed I think for it to flourish. The OG Bitcoiners / Cypherpunks were arguably 'bad actors' once upon a time.
Is elite bad?
I think most people wont go this route when they have similar alternative for free speech
Possibly
Free speech was never free
I love this idea because instead of blood, it’s PoW
A lynx for nostr
Isn't this akin to the proof of work stamping of emails to prevent spam.
Was it hash cash ? The system invented by Adam Back.
I guess with this idea the concept of "talk is cheap" falls deas
*dead
I think it's a great idea. Would cut down on spam a LOT.
I could code this in a weekend, if its not already done, and you DM me exact specs for it from this thread summarized. XD
Its sounds like a zap version of minnect. i presume you want this mobile
