Drop your number 1 reason for running Core v30 or Knots đ
Logically Knots makes more sense to me, but trying to listen to both sides. And it could be helpful to others who are less technical (like me).
I feel like there's a ton of shit being thrown around on YT and X from both sides of the aisle.
But I am very interested to hear nostr's perspective.
This is the most intelligent group on the planet so I think it will be useful.
Core or Knots, and what's your logic?
#asknostr
I am excited to run core v30 so I can relay CSAM and assist chomos embedd full CP videos permanently in the blockchain. That is my main motivation for moving to v30.
So a distributed ledger that includes content that criminalized the mechanism that makes the ledger distributed? I am not a blockchain expert but that sounds like a way to criminalize the ledger or decriminalize CSAM. Forgive my ignorance...
Technically there is nothing preventing a mining pool from doing it separately, but the point is node runners should not be required to enable this behavior
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Run both and if not run knots. Sip some tea, touch grass, enjoy your short life.
We wonât be on our death bed wondering if we should have run knots or core haha
I have though knots was awesome for a long time. Plus it is better to have many implementations of the node software than a monocrop of core. Lastly taking the ability away from the node runners to set the byte limit of the op return seems wrong! We should have more options not fewer.
I just want to configure my node to my liking.
What good is a thermostat if you canât adjust it?
Knots
Simple reason:
Bitcoin is money ,
Not decentralised cloud storage .
how does logically knots make more sense? the settings have 0 effect on tx propagation. I will definitely be running v30 because I am supporting a group of people who deeply care about bitcoin decentralization, vs a cult leader who lies to the public to gain support via podcasters and X-ragebait-algo-driven social media campaigns. No serious bitcoin engineer supports knots.
I do agree with the second half of that response which is why I'm asking.
Knots makes more logical sense to me because of the flexibility for node runners. I would rather have a choice on what shows up in my mempool than not.
And I don't really understand WHY they are changing something that isn't broken.
Juet hoping to understand further.
your node has to download it regardless before it can reject it... and it only rejects it for a short period of time before it has to download it gain in a block. the setting is pointless.
It doesnât relay it to other nodes, only download- no upload. So itâs different and thatâs the intended use.
Who the fuck are you to tell us we shouldnât be allowed to set that behavior if we want?
Can you please elaborate on the lies part?
the idea that filters have any meaningful impact on anything. Thats their entire narrative and itâs empirically false.
If the filters arenât doing anything, why is there a change needed?
Coders wanna code.
#bitcoin
#lightning
because it misleading, dead code
I may be missing something here, I thought the filter is stopping a certain size. But if it doesnât stop a certain size, they donât need to do anything.
it doesnât stop anything
So they can put large files on there already? Again then, why the change if it doesnât stop anything?
because removing code that does nothing is just good software engineering, look up dead code
leaving it in adds maintenance burden and may falsely signal that is actually does something. What is the point of keeping something like that in? Other than as a tool to create a division on social media
You didnât say if they can put large files on now or not. I am all for cleaning up code.
yes, knots does not stop anything that can be done on core today, because both follow consensus not relay policy which is unenforceable
Appreciate the replies. So the consensus rules currently allow for any size file, but the relay rules only stop the relay of large file sizes. Is that right?
Relay rules doesnât stop anything. As long as you have a few nodes that get around filters it will eventually get in a block, and hence all knots nodes as well
Yes, i understand that. But the rule is stopping it on my node, correct? I canât control other peopleâs nodes if they allow it in a block. So currently someone with a node that allows a large file to be put in a block can do it. I see, it just wonât be from my node. Next question if it code maintenance, changing it from 80 to 100000 bytes, how does this remove dead code?
Sorry, I think you missed the question at the bottom. How does changing from 80 to 100000 remove dead code?
So, does the current implementation of Core (<30) allow for an OP_RETURN of 100 bytes to make in in to a block? Are there currently 100 byte OP_RETURNS in the blockchain?
because you have to manually write the code to do it, not that it is hard relay wise.
Therefore it is the action of changing or removing the filter that allows the 100 byte OP_RETURN to make it in to a block? Which is what Core 30 will do?
The change is for 100kbytes I believe
I understand that. My point is that, as I understand (might be wrong), there should be no OP_RETURN data larger than 80 bytes in the blickchain currently. This would be due to the default setting in Core < 30. Again, I might be wrong. Trying to understand
If filters don't work then why do people pay Mara to go around them with slipstream?
From what I have learned, it just lets them get it in faster, than waiting for some random node to get it in a block.
thats an easy route but after some experimenting people realized you donât even need that. Nodes will connect to nodes that will relay txs they want to relay.
If Mara is the easy route are you implying going around the filters is the harder route? Which is it? do filters do nothing? Or do they make it harder?
I donât think you will find your answers here. The people responding are not giving a complete picture. Hence why you continue having so many questions.
Coders want to code.
Are you saying they need to justify their funding? Or are just bored?
I donât know them personally so my thoughts are from my own experience.
If I was a boxer I would want to fight the champ Floyd. If I lost then I would want a rematch.
If I was a golfer I would want a shot at Jack Niclaus and Tiger Woods.
If I was a baker I would want a shot at Martha Stewart.
People want to do what they are good at. It could or could not be something malicious. That is not for me to decide.
As far as the funding goes⌠itâs hard to put myself in their shoes without knowing their financial situation. Everyone that I personally know that is into Bitcoin doesnât need the funding. So I would hope that the Devs are fiscally responsible and are in this same camp.
#bitcoin
#lightning
#runknots
#mynodemychoice
#noderunners
#choosewisely
#thinkdifferent
So who are they taking a shot at?
Can you elaborate the question a little more?
Who are the âtheyâ in this scenario?
In your comment you had someone in a profession wanting to go up against the best in that profession, so the coders are wanting to take a shot at *insert legendary coder*. Who is the legendary coder?
Gotcha. Again, I donât know them so this is all from my brain and not something that I have heard.
It could be a number of people or figures.
Maybe they think Satoshiâs code could be better and want to show that they have the answer.
Maybe they think they have written bad code and want to clean it up.
Maybe they want to help Bitcoin by always being available to write code when needed.
I donât like all of the drama, name calling, and negative spirits that come out during these times, but it is sometimes called for.
So I will say that everyone of us believes that they are doing the right thing all the time. Experience has taught us that is an impossible feat. That still does not deter us from thinking that we are in the right.
We are all flawed!
#bitcoin
#lightning
#runknots
#mynodemychoice
#noderunners
#choosewisely
#thinkdifferent
What do you think this is all about?
#bitcoin
#lightning
#runknots
#mynodemychoice
#noderunners
#choosewisely
#thinkdifferent
So you leave your doors open since you assume all humans want to be good ?
You don't insure your house since you trust it won't burn down ?
When driving a car you don't follow the rules you just hope nobody wants to get in an accident and thus give you way ?
Upu don't believe in blackmailing since uou won't do such a thing ?
The debt is fake since sane person would let ot get so extreme ?
Wars are all fake news since nobody will kill someone else ?
In short "So I would hope that the Devs are fiscally responsible and are in this same camp" is so naive it is hard to believe you actually wrote it down.
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No, I definitely lock my doors. My family needs me to take these security measures.
I actually do not insure my house. I have seen many many many house fires. More than most people. You canât replace burned family photos, canât replace the stuffed animal that your sister has had for 30 years. No one has ever been outside of a burning building and said âIâm sure glad that we have insurance.â What they actually say is âwe are still here. We all got out ok. We hope the cat got out because we canât find him.â Then they tell stories about how they got out and what they did to get everyone else out.
You canât replace PEOPLE. But I can build another one with my bare hands.
I do have a problem following the road rules. I am courteous to others, but on open highway I have to press the e-pedal. Going fast is my addiction.
I havenât experienced any blackmail in my life so I donât know how to answer this question. No I donât consider it to be high on my list of things to watch out for.
âThe debt is fake.â This is a good one. I would have to say. the debt is both real and fake.
I would like to think of it as the debt wonât kill you if it doesnât get paid.
The wars are real. The persons being killed are real. The REASONS wars are started are fake. EX: âThey have weapons of mass destruction.â
So are you saying that the Devs are not doing ok financially?
"So are you saying that the Devs are not doing ok financially?"
No I'm not.
Focus on the "in short" on the end.
It is not wise to just trust core developers.
If you do, I think you are naive; you either don't know how the real world, unfortunately, works or you don't grasp what Bitcoin factually is, perhaps some of both.
Oh, ok I see what you are saying.
I have to take it one day at a time, but from what I have witnessed⌠I am Team Luke until I die.
I understand how the real world works. I just like to have a positive outlook on most things in life. It helps my perception of reality.
I am often proven wrong about humanity, but I am a bleeding heart. What can I say.
As far as Bitcoin⌠I talk about and state that Bitcoin is the BEST thing/creation that I have ever witnessed. My friends and family think I am talking out of the side of my neck. I just tell themâŚ
I have always been early in my life. This is no different. I am early and you will wish that you had investigated Bitcoin. As we will all need and want it.
I would like to add to this statement that I do not support the tinkering with the Bitcoin Network for âcoding practiceâ just to see what happens, nor to clean up the code. If the system isnât broken then there âshouldâ (in my opinion) be no altering the code.
Maintaining something doesnât dictate the need to alter it.
To me it just means keeping it in a ready state where you could alter if needed.
If you see it as the future global money base/standard it is too important to alter.
If you see it as a database used for data storage, then I wouldnât have a problem altering it on a daily basis.
Satoshi said Bitcoin: A Peer-to-Peer Electronic Cash System
I see it as an E Cash System.
How do you see it?
#bitcoin
#lightning
#runknots
#mynodemychoice
#noderunners
#choosewisely
#thinkdifferent
I wanted to thank you very much for your thoughts and comments about this core vs knots debate.
I am not a user with advanced knowledge and I don't know how to interpret the programming code in which this software is written.
But I am old, I have lived many years and I have learned to find the truth or rather to detect lies and manipulation.
So thank you very much for showing me so hard that I am on the right side.
Running Knots.
Unfortunately you don't understand the technical details.
You also don't understand the goal.
I would have to agree with part of this statement.
My filter wouldnât have a meaningful impact on the entire network if only I ran a filter.
Although me running a filter on my computer at home wonât stop *orn on the internet, but it will stop it so my 6 year old doesnât see it.
This is enough for me. The internet can keep internetting. Just NOT AT MY HOUSE!
#bitcoin
#lightning
#mynodemychoice
#runknots
#noderunners
Jb55 is clearly lying here so i guess thts the lies part
If one does use the filters they aren't the ones that allowed that block to be created so they do work to a degree. Also why is core increasing op return size to such a massive number, op return is the attack vector on bitcoin a and needs to remain low.
What you said doesnât make sense, non mining nodes donât determine what gets in a block. Miners are economically incentivized to not filter to remain competitive.
Core is lifting it due to the realization that it doesnât work. People can store that much today very easily even before upgrading to 30
Due to the realization that they failed to implement something that does work*
Yessir, that is the 21 Satoshi questionâŚWhy the change if there is no need?
You still have that same flexibility in Core, no? What configurables does knots offer that core doesnt?
TLDR: it doesnât actually matter.
What goes into an individualâs Mempool is just deciding which tx are propagated by that particular node, but what actually gets mined is all that ultimately matters.
Running Knots is more of a matter of principle, rather than a choice that has any effect whatsoever on what eventually goes into blocks. Itâs a moot point. To each their own node, but running knots does literally nothing to fight spam. Itâs just someone arbitrarily deciding whatâs âlegitimateâ or âillegitimateâ rather than allowing the free market (fee market) to decide.
You can educate yourself or you can continue stay blind and brainwashed.
I donât see anything in your post that actually contradicts what I wrote. Your node, your choice. Right? But that still doesnât effect what actually ends up mined into a block.
âInvalid transactionsâ is not the same meaning though.
You can decide which tx your node accepts or rejects when propagating those tx to the wider network. But that still doesnât change what goes into a block.
You seem to be confused. Maybe read again the whole article of John Carvalho and try to undestand the role of Bitcoin nodes.
Is this the controversial issue for your poll ??
Haha I like where your heads at but I'm not going to exploit it.
I'm generally curious to hear people's perspective.
There are some smart MFers on here.
They want to make the change, I think they should leave the option to limit in, or give me a good reason to take the choice away.
Made a vlog on it earlier today
I wouldnât accept an arranged marriage just like I wonât accept arranged block template settings.
I think I may have a problem with authority.
#mynodemychoice
#bitcoin
#lightning
#noderunners
#runknots
I can control my own mempool policy and not relay non-monetary transactions. That's my number one reason.
It running knots doesnât matter, then core glazers wouldnât go out of their way to tell everyone it doesnât matterâŚwhich is the reason I run knots.
Knots because its my fucking node and im not relaying retarded nor illegal pictures on a monetary blockchain that is our one shot to escape a century old war machine that rules the world.
If this isnt obvious to yall then you are just not understanding how the world works and what we are up against.
The core spammers also directly ATTACKED Bitcoin Knots nodes by exhausting their Internet bandwidth as some providers limit the upload quata.
Watch Matt Krater's / BitcoinUniversity videos if you want to understand the truth.
I just started leaning into this rabbithole.
https://cryptoslate.com/the-battle-between-bitcoin-core-vs-knots-is-getting-ugly/
Seems to have a good take. I am not sure if it covers the whole problem. But seems to me as if #knots try to restrict Bitcoin usage to monetary transactions, while v30 wants to open the Blockchain to whatever use. More anarcho-based.
I am happy to be corrected.
And in this other article I started reading it is more about the filter abilities. I am not quiet sure, if this is about the same problematic, brought by different perspectives. But to me it seems a way, that Knot nodes are kind of acting like Nostr users, which decide themselfes to filter transactions by their preferences, while in core, the filters are more predefined by the code, with less costumization.
So to me it seems, as if Knots gives more free market tools to nodes.
KNOTS
I don't want my node to host random dick picks, i want it to host bitcoin transactions, so i run knots, end of story.
Simple;
Bitcoin is for MONETARY data only, not some decentralized cloud storage.
The ideal OP_RETURN limit is 0 bytes.
