Russia is the bad guy. NATO didn’t occupy anyone, we joined it voluntarily and as a protection against Russia. They want to resurrect Soviet Union and occupy all their previous subjects again. We don’t want that. Stop being a victim of Russian propaganda and lies. Maybe watch some videos from the russian propagandists them self to see how crazy they are https://twitter.com/TheKremlinYap/status/1690265338540126208, or maybe just from the average Russians how they want to have slaves https://twitter.com/TheKremlinYap/status/1690379455481499648 
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Pretty low budget propaganda.
I watched propagandists from many countries. They are all insane and crazy.
Including russia.
Nato is the biggest criminal organization that exists today, if it benefits you...obviously you will defend it, but this is not my case.
I don’t think this is debatable especially after all of work done to push to expand into Asia via Japan. That’s about as far away from the North Atlantic as you get.
Choosing to ignore that mission creep is now well and truly present I see as a dangerous mistake.
Yeah exactly , what part of the North Atlantic is Japan in exactly ? lol
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Ghraib_torture_and_prisoner_abuse
Terrorists at home and abroad
Kamala Harris promising Ukraine entry to NATO directly preceded the Russian invasion, no?
2014 Maidan coup wayyyy before that .
Many people just don’t understand that you join NATO on your own wish if all other NATO countries agree to it.
They even fail to see the recent clear-cut cases of Sweden and Finland.
This is either prejudice or ignorance , I don’t know.
Who's wish? Did the Ukrainians drafted into the war wish for it? What about the Ukrainians in the donbas that had referendums to exit Ukraine, did they wish for it? Certain members of the government have lined their pockets in the process, its their own free will to treat their citizens like cattle I guess.
The truth is that in the liberal "democratic" west, things are decided for us , and all we really have is the illusion of choice .
Take the Lisbon treaty in Ireland for example .
Ireland voted NO
So they just bombarded the country with propaganda to guilt people into thinking that Ireland needed to cede sovereignty to Brussels and made people vote again (which was illegal , in the Irish constitution you have to wait a certain amount of time between referendums) .
The most common tactic is that a centralised group of unelected people decide what happens in Europe , and then through the media and the behemoth NGO sector , cram in down peoples throats until whether they like it or not .
*whether they like it or not .
This Ukraine war , which has nothing to do with Ireland, is the latest example . Almost entirely driven by propaganda and NGO browbeating .
If you ask the average Irish person , it is not a priority, although they feel compelled to act in public as though it is for fear of being outed as some kind of "far right" extremist , which increasingly is just a way of labeling those holding power to account.
You should live a year in Russia and a year in China. You’ll love the “liberal” West after that, believe me.
That may be so , but this I'm not interested in pissing contests.
In the “liberal” West you have an illusion of choice , in Russia and Chine you’ll just land into jail just trying to say (to say! Not to act) something against the government .
Try going to Russia and say openly you are against Putin or the war.
> Try going to Russia and say openly you are against Putin or the war.
It's impossible. Pacifist meetings are very rare, but the problem is that there are almost no pacifists in Russia. These people can say with tears in their eyes that they are against the Russian invasion of Ukraine, but at the same time they are for the Ukrainian invasion of Russia. They either rejoice or pretend that nothing is happening when the Ukrainians bomb the Donbass or carry out terrorist attacks in the Crimea. I don't consider such people to be pacifists.
I'm not a russophile either.
I’m simply suggesting a very easy and practical test - to come to Russia and proclaim openly the anti war opinion. After that, see what happens and compare to the “ liberal” West.
And you just push a lot of disorganized statements, some of them sounding very propagandistic.
It may be hard to believe, but Russia is a capitalist country and eagerly copies everything "bad" from the West. If something is forbidden in Russia, it is only a parody of what is forbidden in the West. Russia is an absolutely naive imitator. Like an Indian copy of an American blockbuster.
You are totally lost. Russian economy is mostly planned, there is almost zero rule
of law (many Russians that have their shops in EU emigrated from Russia because it was impossible to do business in Russi without having to pay fees to corrupt state employees). And it is impossible to critize war in Russia, which is possible in the west. https://x.com/natalkakyiv/status/1691112595820777474?s=46&t=qQkei1Cr-Ky2TZJUczMQYA
It is not that simple. It's easy to find videos of arrests of anti-war activists opposing arms supplies to Ukraine.
The Russian economy has shown amazing stability. Even here, in Russia, everyone expected a collapse in the first months of the military operation. Nothing happened.
Great, put a link to one of those videos here and we will analyze why those people were arrested - because of their opinion or because they were causing public disorder.
And then we will compare to trials in Russia - trials because of voicing opinions with absolutely no public disorders.
There's no need to compare. Of course, these arrests, both in Russia and in the USA, are for violation of public order.
The fact that Russia is now imprisoning the political opposition, which has been working with funds from the CIA and European NGOs, is also no secret. It is clear that both innocent and mentally ill people, who are susceptible to external coercion, are being caught.
Actually, they do the same thing in the US. Of course they do it smarter, plus they control all the MSM and the Internet. They can present it as justice.
Buddy, please come to Russia and just say openly somewhere that you are against the war. Just stand with that slogan outside.
After that, just report honestly what is happening.
You talk a lot , but please do that simple act and you will see.
I am in Russia at the moment. I won't be able to say anything against the "war", firstly because I understand the reasons for this conflict, and secondly because I need permission from the municipality to hold a pacifist rally. They might even allow me to hold a picket, but I would have to hold a sign saying "Peace to the World" without mentioning the word "war".
Besides, I've been to China. A great totally safe country with a rich culture and wonderful cuisine. I recommend everyone to visit China.
Fair enough but that's kind of besides my point. You can say/vote what you want in the west, you'll just be ignored if you are lucky or slandered in the media and harassed by the state if you aren't. Compared to Russia or China the US are the real war mongers. We provoked this war through a series of actions like a propaganda campaign that started against Russia when Putin decided to back Assad against ISIS when we created them to destabilize Syria; not letting Russia join NATO post collapse of the USSR; the overthrow of the previous Ukrainian government; not backing the Minsk accords. Its tragic Ukraine was caught in the middle of all this, but Ukraine being invited to NATO was never the solution, it is a pristine example of US empire building either backfiring, or intentionally being constructed to siphon money to the weapon contractors and politicians.
They are trying their hardest to drag Ireland into Nato kicking and screaming with the use of heavy propaganda similar to what was seen prior to WW1 in order to entice Americans to go to war in Europe, babies on bayonettes levels of bullshit. Also , in Ireland, 2% of the Irish population is Ukrainian overnight, and it is putting massive strain on almost every public service, but there was no public consultation on this , even though there was a leaked government memo stating quite clearly , that the Irish government had full knowledge of the disruption that an influx of people of this scale would cause.
But yeah "your own wish" or whatever .
> They want to resurrect Soviet Union and occupy all their previous subjects again.
This is as ridiculous as "the Romans are trying to rebuild the Roman Empire". Certain formations are possible in certain periods of time. Russia will always have a huge influence in the region and in the world, but that does not mean that it will always develop into the Soviet Union or the Russian Empire. There are better options that meet the needs of society.
Blowing up European energy infrastructure and blaming it on Russia doesn't make you the "bad guy"?
Tell it to Russians that it is ridiculous. Almost every average Russian wants a new Soviet Union. They are mad that they don’t have a huge influence on their neighbors and what is their proposed solution? “Let us attack them (Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, Georgia and others) and conquer them and absorb them into Russia and destroy their culture, history and language”.
Dude, I am Russian. We only tell jokes about Latvia and Estonia, sometimes being surprised that they have Nazi divisions marching on holidays.
I don't even know what to say about the rest. Russia is a multinational country. To tell the truth, it is not easy to find a Russian here. It is simply impossible to imagine that such a heterogeneous society could destroy any cultures and languages.
Those other nations would be better off by themself. Moscovites are just exploiting them and they are racist towards them. Russia has more nazis than they would like to acknowledge. Hell no, most Russians are nazis and are thinking like Solovyov and Skabeeva, thinking they are better than anyone else, calling Ukrainians as Hohols and thinking that Ukraine shouldn’t exist (not realizing that Kyiv is older than Moscow). Fuck Russia and russians. They still have not apologized for the occupation of Czechoslovakia in 1968.
You don't know what you're talking about. Not all regions of Russia have the same opportunities, not all nationalities live on the same fertile land or have the same resources.
If you just say, "Now you are free," in the first place, they will not understand what they are free from. Free from the single economic space? From education? From the food base?
And, secondly, they will start to fight with each other. And you just get an infinite number of "Ukraines". Artificial state formations under the external control of Western countries.
What are we even talking about if everything that is happening now is just the consequences of the collapse of the USSR. Azerbaijan and Armenia, Georgia and Ossetia, Transnistria and Moldova, Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, Russia abd Ukraine...
So is this about Ukraine , or about regime change in Russia ? Methinks the latter.
Putin is a threat to the global humongous order in the eyes of the Globalists. Russia has been a thorn in their side since the Revolutionary war (warship blockades) and before. It is a Christian based country with a national identity built around Christian morals ethics and values. The satanic globalists can’t have that!
As for “Muh Russian Agression 🥴”. NATO has consistently ignored the boundaries of The Minsk Agreement and have continued to get closer and closer to Russias border. The talks of
allowing Ukraine into NATO was the last straw.
This is aside from the 36 US ran and funded biolabs, training of Banderite Azov Nazis by the CIA and M15, and the constant killing of ethnic Russians in Crimea.
I am no fan of Putin and know nothing of their internal dynamics within the country BUT all the right people are telling me “Russian man bad” which tells me that the opposite has to be true. The constant propaganda (Ghost of Kiev, video game dog fights, and lies about equipment amd troop looses) only solidifies my belief that Russia isn’t a bad bear.
I care about my own country and my own people, that's my motivation for criticising NATO and trying to read between the lines.
For example western Ukraine is relatively unaffected by the war, so why is my country suddenly filled to the brim with military aged men from western Ukraine?
You are a victim of Russian propaganda. Russia isn’t a Christian country, they have more muslims and atheists than christians, most russians are drunks, they are sending muslim soldiers to Ukraine to kill (not only) christian ukrainians. Your post is full of russian lies.
It is always about Russia. Ukraine is just a tool. If things don't work out with Ukraine, there are plenty of other tools. The only question is, what needs to happen for the U.S. to stop doing this?
Some of us are waiting for a nuclear incident in Ukraine, but I don't think even that will stop anyone in Washington. The printing press must print. And the nuclear incident is just food for MSM.
There is literally no effort at de-escalation on the NATO side, just sending shoddy subpar weaponry to get more Ukrainians killed and sanctions that hurt Europe more than they hurt Russia.
Sanctions hurt Russia more. NATO should send more weapons or better just get involved directly. If the west didn’t help Ukraine then Russia would kill even more Ukrainians through genocide.
That sounds hyperbolic. Much of what you're saying does actually.
Hyperbolic? Nope. I’m just saying what russian propagandists and politicians are saying. Like this one https://x.com/juliadavisnews/status/1579820810751324160 … there are more.
That sounds hyperbolic too if I'm being honest.
Genocide? If we could do a DNA test, I wouldn't be surprised that there are more Ukrainians in the Russian army than in the Ukrainian one 😂
Just leave Ukraine. Russia can stop this war in a day if they wanted. Leave Ukraine, leave Crimea. Russia agreed to protect ukraines border in 1991 in exchange for Ukraine giving up its nuclear weapons. So respect it.
These nuclear weapons were not Ukrainian from the very beginning. Just like endless hydroelectric and nuclear power plants on Ukrainian territory were built by the efforts of the entire Soviet Union and, to no lesser extent, the RSFSR.
Modern Ukraine created nothing but a civil war in the East, and all Western countries, including Poland, just watched as Ukraine destroyed the pro-Russian Donbass. No one even remembered the Minsk agreements (which were largely shameful and disadvantageous for Russia). As a result, what should have happened happened.
By your logic Russia should be allowed to occupy everything east from Czechia. Modern Ukraine would not have any civil war if Russia respected that Ukraine wants to be more western. Stop with those Minsk agreements, Russia didn’t follow them and Russia also ignored previous agreements (1991) and there would be no need for Minsk agreements if you didn’t blatantly invade Crimea and Donbas. Even those Donbas citizens hate Russia. https://nostrcheck.me/media/public/nostrcheck.me_8632735796573064881692116626.webp
These "citizens of Donbass" literally live on my street, they hate Russia only when they have to hang noodles on the ears of gullible Europeans. All the rest of the time they love Russia very much because they themselves are actually ordinary people and they do not care about the nationalism of Aryan Ukrainians.
hang noodles XD
Literally 🤣 It means "to lie".
People cannot be blamed. Everyone tries to take advantage of the situation. Before, a Ukrainian could only count on some kind of low-paying job, and the locals looked down on him (the same Poles, by the way). Now he is victim and savior in one person ☺️ Maybe he can lie somewhere to raise his social rating even higher. Here in Russia they do the same. One story is more frightening than the other. Some are true, some are not. But in fact, all these Ukrainians are a serious burden on my city, which I am certainly not happy about.
There are other glaring contradictions in the western medias attitude towards the idea of "Nationalism", we are being told that it is a dirty word , and has far-right connectations, but when it comes to Ukrainian nationalism , we are supposed to fly their flag ahead of our own ?
This is strange given that Ukraine, whether it "wins" or "loses" , is now under the thumb of the IMF and the likes of Blackrock , who would love nothing more than to see it reduced to rubble so that they can provide even more reconstruction loans and to absorb Ukraine into it's portfolio via debt and what sovereignty will Ukraine have when it cannot disobey it's debt masters ?
I have heard that they already have a problem with population , not only because of all the men being sent into a meat-grinder while people cheer and clap like seals, but because Ukrainian women have no intention of returning to Ukraine, naturally preferring the cosy existence provided to them by other european countries , like Ireland for example , where they provided everything from housing to education and healthcare.
What future does Ukraine have if Ukrainians don't even want to return home ?
Who attacked whom? It is really simple … Russia attacked Ukraine, therefore Russia must lose and go through the same process as Germany did after WW2. It will be a process for multiple decades, because russians must be re-educated. Or maybe just build a wall around Russia, isolate them and let live their “russkiy mir”. There is no normal regime in Russia, there is only a rule of mafia and thugs. Putin’s regime is a war regime and there can’t be any negotiations with him.
All those conflicts you mention happened because of Russias involvement. Stop medling in other countries. You sir are a Russian appologist and probably a vatnik. We (central/eastern Europe) don’t like you, we don’t want you and I’m so glad that Poland is building their army. And also …. Kaliningrad is Kralovec.
Russia did it. And it is ok for Russia to attack Ukrainian civilian infrastructure, remove entire towns and villages from existence, kill and rape Ukrainians and kidnap their kids, force them to become russians and punish them when they resist?
Cry harder vatnik. The future of Russia is in decolonization, because Russia is just a prison of nations which are just slaves to Moscovites 
I've never understood why Siberia is always shaped like a penis on maps like this. Why not divide it differently? Anyway, we have already seen a similar map from Europeans in Africa, and we know the result.
What is a vatnik?
Okay , cheers.