Yeah, apex predators with empathy is a pretty difficult combination. I’ve struggled with it in my life too. In the end I had a personal realization the natural world is literally kill or be killed and predators don’t think twice about prey at any trophic level.
Realistically there is a massive amount of life lost in agriculture too and that fact isn’t lost on me either. There is no way around it, for us to live - other creatures must die. And I think being healthy and accepting that other creatures must die is an easier and more honest route than trying to avoid the inevitable while still contributing to the mass death of “other” creatures like insects, rodents, rabbits etc. So much life is eradicated in growing the crops that sustain vegans and vegetarians too. So what’s the point?
I know their (your) hearts are in the right place but there is a lot of death involved in plant-based calories too.
I wish you the best on your quest to restore your health. It’s so important, and attainable.
When you’re hungry, empathy is much lower, too.
😂 great point. Native cultures had respect for the things they killed that I think stemmed from empathy as well.
💯hunting gives one a lot of respect for Gods creation and our place in it
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To be clear, if I lived in a native culture, I wouldn’t have had to go vegan in the first place. It’s the industrialization, I don’t want any part of. I’ve been living a big city for a while and there weren’t a ton of accessible/humane options.
There is no hunting where I live 😂 just large corporations torturing
I understand that. There would be no issues if we all hunted and prepared our food as most natives did pre agriculture. But it doesn’t change the fact that vegan food today requires mass death to produce. And the lives taken in agriculture aren’t even consumed (more disrespectful) unlike animal slaughter. The vegan ideology is based on lies (no food without death and that it *can* be healthy). It’s a plague.
There’s levels to that. Huge corporate farms, yes. Your local farmer’s market or your own veggie garden, not so much. My avocado tree produces about 6000 avos per year without a single life taken. I understand your point, but not all vegans resort to Soylent and beyond burgers 😂
No matter which diet someone chooses: carnivore, plant-based, or somewhere in the middle. There’s a spectrum from most harmful to least as far as sourcing is concerned (in my opinion).
Not many vegans are living off avocado trees in their backyard…. It’s pretty extensive to get near nutrient- sufficient on a vegan diet. Many things sourced from many places. Upon closer analysis of everything I think you’d be surprised.
I’ve done a lot of food gardening and killing / blocking pests (from voles to slugs to mites) is about 50% of being successful. In commercial ag it’s all about killing pests and everything is scaled up. I live in a small rural area and am friends with a small farm owner and he does a lot of killing in a lot of ways, and his main crop is seeds that other farmers and recreational gardeners grow. Pest eradication is extensive. Just sayin.
When I said “least harmful”, I did not mean “harmless”.
Those terrible crops that are causing so much death…are what is feeding the animals that become meat.
I’m not claiming the problem doesn’t exist, I am simply stating that the cause of the problem is not necessarily exclusive to vegans.
And again, this is only coming from the “morality” component, I agree with you that plant-based is by no means the “most nutritious” lifestyle.
Sure, fair, nuanced qualifiers. The deplorable commercial feed lots do feed their livestock corn and soy and other cheap grain. I personally do not support that shit. I have a lot of distain for it. They exist because of fast food at scale and cheap processed meats, both options I will literally never eat. I pay top dollar for fresh meat that comes from local ranches that raise their livestock ethically.
I’m not sure how much of the mono cropping goes to feed lots for fast food and how much goes to plant based products and corn syrup production etc but I do know all of it is disgusting and horrifying. Not participating.
That’s the best way to do it both for your health and the animal 🫂
Also sounds like you do a better job than me. I try really hard not to contribute, but I’m still going through the process of how to best identify small farms near me with good practices. I decided, I’m gonna have to physically go there and see for myself to feel comfortable, but then I had to have surgery so I that got delayed.
There’s so much false advertisement and misleading labels (e.g., “cage free”) that it’s not the easiest thing to navigate, at least where I live.
I respect that you care.
Most people don’t care at all. When I see people eating fast food I always disparage them for eating “torture meat” 😂😩 which just sucks that’s a thing. And idk why people are okay with eating it…
Likewise! I also respect that you heard me out, a lot of carnivores automatically get triggered by my diet journey, but I think that’s probably because there are a lot of really shitty plant-based maxis out there that make the rest of us look like ignorant, judgmental assholes 😂
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Yes, I have heard these points and logically agree, but when it comes down to chewing…my brain still freezes.
That’s why I like the idea of starting with eggs and fish (they’re also recommended for endo ladies).
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