https://m.primal.net/PmjP.mov

"With the Dollar backed stablecoins, you'll help expand the dominance of the US Dollar [...] It will be at the top, and that's where we want to keep it"

What he means is:

with Dollar backed stablecoins, the Global South will pivot towards digital Dollars over local currencies, allowing private, US Gov controlled entities to replace bank accounts around the globe.

This does not just allow for the expansion of USD dominance by bypassing local governments – it gives the US unprecedented and direct control over worldwide economies as every stablecoin can be effectively frozen on behalf of the US with the click of a button.

Additionally, it will provide the US with never seen before surveillance capabilities, providing real time access to financial transactions around the globe – fueling the unparalleled public-private partnership between Silicon Valley and the US war machine.

If you are promoting stablecoins, you are promoting the end of national sovereignty in favor of total techno-fascist dystopia.

Reply to this note

Please Login to reply.

Discussion

Slavecoin has a good ring to it

I’ll adopt this term

Bitcoin only. Bitcoin not crypto.

La hyperbitcoinzación es un proceso, más que un acontecimiento particular. Hoy estamos iniciando este proceso con la adopción institucional y gubernamental.

Rootstock no es igual que otras soluciones de escalabilidad de Bitcoin y el problema de la escalabilidad en Bitcoin también es un hecho que determinará su adopción a nivel global.

Si buscamos que Bitcoin llegue a la mayor cantidad de plebs posibles, estas soluciones deben estar en el radar de cualquier bitcoiner, por lo menos, hasta que un BIP invalide su utilidad.

• Rootstock utiliza merged mining y actualmente el 80% de mineros de Bitcoin, también minan Rootstock (Foundry y SpiderPool últimos añadidos).

• Un punto sensible puede ser su puente d clavija bidireccional, que ha decir verdad hoy se encuentra bastante más avanzada que otras soluciones. Es una federación dinámica a diferencia de la federación estática de Liquid. Se está cocinando BitVMX (Union Bridge) que ofrecerá un mejor servicio de pasarela con tecnología ZKP.

• Rootstock no tiene un token nativo como otras soluciones como Mezon o Stacks, lo cual creo que difiere enormemente. Estas arquitecturas compiten con la capitalización de mercado de #Bitcoin al emitir su token, mientras tanto en Rootstock cada BTC que está en la red (RBTC) se utiliza para pagarle a los mineros por sus servicios. Esto responde al ethos y arquitectura de incentivos natural de Bitcoin.

En específico, STABLECOINS:

Es un tema más profundo, debe ser abordado analogicamente (parte por parte). Las solucion que nostr:nprofile1qqsx9f8hws2fsq3axp6mmkeza2txeuzs4ytnrzqcasjvfmvxdpxtjtcpzamhxue69uhhxetpwf3kstnwdaejuar0v3shjtcuxjym7 hace referencia es verdaderamente una solución. nostr:nprofile1qqsg0wxgfhmw9z5w9a7j4h2ca6yqhwvrjgs8ws3z2qe72f9lls5vwvgpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qmw82u ha creado DLLR gracias a préstamos colateralizados en BTC, tal cual como un "Sistema de banca libre" lo propone (dime algo más austriaco que ello).

Un sistema que provea en mercado primario la posibilidad de ir de BTC <> Stable, con una interfaz descentralizada y mercado libre se transforma en una verdadera competidora.

Otra característica de este activo es que es de clavija blanda, por lo tanto arbitrablr por el mismo mercado. Esto quiere decir que si el gobierno estadounidense decidiera devaluar su moneda y todos los productos de la economía real aunmentaran de precio, DLLR, podría ser flotante. No sufriría la devaluacion de tu unidad de cuenta como con otras alternativas.

Cada punto puede ser un vector de ataque con estos gigantes monopolios de la coacción física "legítima" (Weber). Debemos contemplar soluciones conmente abierta y siendo realmente críticos con lo que hoy el mercado está adoptando.

nostr:nprofile1qqsg0wxgfhmw9z5w9a7j4h2ca6yqhwvrjgs8ws3z2qe72f9lls5vwvgpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qmw82u ha hecho y sigue haciendo un trabajo que muchos bitcoiners hoy han dejado de hacer; eso es construir soluciones sobre Bitcoin.

Tether everywhere -> Bitcoin is the alternative.

Yes, eventually. In the transition, however, some people would benefit from more permissionless and Bitcoin-backed stablecoins such as DLLR.

Yes, there are free options though, for the Global South and anyone. One example is the 100% Bitcoin-backed USD-pegged stablecoin DLLR by nostr:npub1s7uvsn0ku29gutma9tw43m5gpwuc8y3qwapzy5pnu5jtllpgcucsyvfwc4 which runs on Bitcoin's L2 Rootstock. Such projects need more attention so that they will be equally integrated in global payment services. Exodus wallet already supports DLLR and last I know also keeps it in its company treasury.

I've never heard of this rootstock. Is it a BIP? It's also not what Trump is talking about. They want to back stablecoins with sovereign debt to keep the party going. They don't want gold 2.0.

Not a bip, stay away.

Have you looked into it? If yes, I'd be curious why you think it's not a good option. I'm trying to wrap my head around this for some time. Besides of course the best option, of Bitcoin being used as global currency.

Rootstock is an L2 to Bitcoin like Liquid. I'm not saying it's a final solution. But there are projects out there that are looking for solutions to this stablecoin problem in an as close as possible permissionless and decentralized way. I think it's worth checking these projects out and then decide whether it's nonsense or not. They are trying to help Bitcoinization. Yes DLLR doesn't have this US treasury backing like Tether, it's 100% Bitcoin-backed. But it still does the same thing. Facilitating payments in a USD equivalent.

rootstock is not a L2 and the distinction is important

Alright, thanks for pointing that out 🙏🏻

Thank you.

I had a look at DLLR. This is what I found.

DLLR is an index of two dollar-pegged stablecoins. One of them appears to be completely centralized like Tether. The other one is overcollateralized by a single asset. In order to maintain a peg, the protocol takes the USD price of bitcoin through a bunch of people who have qualified to be oracles. Anyone who owns enough of the protocol's governance token can be an oracle. Like single-collateral DAI, the protocol rewards people for putting up bitcoins with a variable interest rate and it can shut down issuance when there isn't enough collateral.

I can't find that many designs for a stablecoin. They tend to follow the same few design patterns:

a) completely centralized

b) overcollateralized by multiple assets, including other stablecoins that can be centralized

c) overcollateralized by a single asset, the degree to which is determined by an oracle price feed

a is just fancy banking. do you trust companies like tether or circle? b is dumb because it usually collapses or turns into a proxy for a, like how multi-collateral DAI was eventually mostly backed by USDC.

c is a whole different can of worms. you could have something like a group of people who attest to the USD price of the collateral on centralized exchanges. or you could pull the data straight from a DEX where the collateral is trading against USDT. it doesn't work unless you can either hold oracles accountable or you depend on more centralized stablecoins functioning correctly.

the design of c can be about as trust-minimized as you can get or it can just get silly. but look at the behavior of Sovryn. they deliberately indexed DLLR against a completely centralized stablecoin plus an oracle style stablecoin. it's hard to figure out what they were really thinking here.

Thanks for looking into it so deeply! That's an honest discussion I was looking to have for a while. Looking at the Sovryn wiki for DLLR ... so, you think DOC from the MoC protocol is completely centralized? What makes you say that? And ZUSD is overcollateralized, yes, by rBTC. But not by a variable interest rate, but by the degree of what's considered a healthy overcollateralization. Both DOC and ZUSD form DLLR. Since it seems to fall into your c) category that makes the most sense. In a nutshell, where would you say lie the weaknesses of this structure? The price oracle governance? I know that the collateral protocol 'Zero' is not very strong for example due to the high degree of overcollateralization needed. What else?

It looks like there's something new on the horizon though for ways to create decentralized stablecoins on Bitcoin. Could be interesting ... nevent1qqszt9k74gssc4vrypupw35wdtey0j9pcut8k60hjuagcawapch9mgg9s06s2

Just because it’s “on bitcoin” doesn’t mean it’s decentralized, stay safe out there

Yes, good reminder 🙏🏻

Yea can't stand the pandering to tether....

It won't make any difference though, tether is already available in those areas, has been for years and they have no wealth anyway.

The big money in China, Russia, Japan will just make it illegal and not accept it for goods and services. Waste of time

So we've pivoted from overt fascism to covert fascism.

To quote nostr:nprofile1qqsqfjg4mth7uwp307nng3z2em3ep2pxnljczzezg8j7dhf58ha7ejgprpmhxue69uhhqun9d45h2mfwwpexjmtpdshxuet5qyt8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnswf5k6ctv9ehx2aqpr9mhxue69uhhxetwv35hgtnwdaekvmrpwfjjucm0d5klqft7, Stable coins should just be called "USD tokens"

Or as I like to call them, PBDC's. Private bank digital currencies.

nostr:nevent1qqs8hv2u25qp45n7juel3xus3g5ctw90nqsarwpg32536pfww6z9adspr3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujucnfw33k76twwpshy6ewvdhk6tczyrv2dm8scwtw428hnfzf0l5mwlwfwa3ng50nefwxxn3qsev3zej8kqcyqqqqqqgjehymz

People outside the US will use Tether.

Tether is not an American company.

People in the “Global South” use Tether in place of conventional bank accounts. So no KYC, which means the surveillance capabilities you’re alluding to are mostly fake news. As if the US government gives a shit about someone in Chile buying groceries with non-KYC Tether.

The real story is Tether allowing the rest of the world to have access to the US dollar, which they gladly use to improve the quality of their lives.

👏

Lmao I hate to be the one to break it to you my guy but Tether is a company founded by Jeffrey Epstein pals that literally onboarded the FBI two years ago 😂

We both know you didn’t hate to “break it to me”.

Everyone knows Tether is shady and collaborates with the US government when it suits them. It’s still not an American company, which affords them a lot more flexibility than someone like Circle has in terms of KYC and AML for their stable coins.

My point remains, but thanks for the history lesson.

Because KYC/AML is a phenomenon exclusive to the US? And KYC/AML is the only tool to surveil financial txs?

Obviously not, but Tether is legally bound to collect and/or provide that data to the US Government.

Anything digital including bitcoin can be surveilled and tracked. What is your solution?

Is not*

I'd like to see evidence of this if you have a link to share

You spend a good bit of time on twitter still don't you?

Thanks for the lead. I'll look into it.

Y en hispanoamerica no hay policías para que hagan cumplir los métodos aml/kyc,, eso es un gran plus.

👆🏼

Claro, eso es puro larp the los americanos de la izquierda que quieren imponer su ideología en el “global south” con la excusa de que están preocupados por ellos. No tienen mas nada que hacer.

Did you see how USAID was funding transgender operas in Columbia? What if you don't go see something like that, or protest against it?

No te entiendo bro

Sounds like "Mandibles, then Bitcoin Standard" nostr:npub1qny3tkh0acurzla8x3zy4nhrjz5zd8l9sy9jys09umwng00manysew95gx

Lola thinks the federal reserve system means “national sovereignty”

💩

Not really, but she does think that youre retarded

Oh please educate us retards how the current system is doing such a great job with “sovereignty”

But I guess fear and paranoia sells more subscriptions

Im in brazil bitch, our fucking currency is worst than you techno-fascist shit, so yeah, make it hapen.

And why do you think that is

because brazilians are dumb as fuck. The average iq is 83, can you believe it?

what a total surprise

Meh, just stay himble, stack sats, help others Orange pill when you can 🤷‍♂️

(Only adding a counterpoint to the post, not trying to cope with the main idea. CBDC bad, no matter the issuer)

I would rather use dollar backed currency than the shitcoin enforced by our local govt. It lost > 80℅ of its value since 1988 and is completely centrilized around an oligopolistic elite that will freeze your bank account just for saying mean things about their puppet on power.

Although it has many problems, the US is light years ahead of us in terms of institutional stability.

As someone in the global south: orange coin >>>>> USD >>>> BRL

National sovereignty is bullshit, but this is not the way.

The Global South is a goddamn bunch of socialist countries, nothing more.

Why do people promote shitcoin and stablefiats instead of promoting the sovereignty that bitcoin delivers? It seems that no one wants to be free.

Porque Bitcoin necesita escalar a las manos de nuevos plebs, porque el valor se determina en función de que el mercado acepte o no acepte determinado activo como medio de intercambio.

Porque la verdadera solución no es que solo algunos veamos la verdad para acabar con este circo cínico. Si no que todos encontremos un punto de apoyo en común para unirnos y combatirlo.

Estoy seguro que solo tu no puedes contra la millonésima parte del poder que tiene un estado. Pero, la unión de indicios soberanos guiados por su propia voluntad hacia un mismo objetivo, créeme, desestabiliza cualquier paradigma cancerígeno.

https://njump.me/nevent1qqstmgw0xe7gjvk2pk37n5yjm2t6rjgdp0dzpppq6gfmk74rqzeszzcpr4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezucnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp0qgsgwxkqduyhe78sa88vehc2nusutk9qyc0dk9a37kdrnddnwlm463qrqsqqqqqpyaez5c

People that want to be free will find bitcoin on their own.

Agree. But some people need to know what freedom is before.

I'm with Trump on this one, fiat system on third world countries are stupid and corrupt.

You and Trump can be clowns together!

We are fortunate Bitcoin exists as a viable alternative to Usd. But you are right that Fiat currencies in most countries is just plain worse than USD

All roads lead to Bitcoin

and only keep in stablecoin what one is willing to lose.

The English version of what nostr:nprofile1qqsgwxkqduyhe78sa88vehc2nusutk9qyc0dk9a37kdrnddnwlm463qpz3mhxue69uhkummnw3ezummcw3ezuer9wcqs7amnwvaz7tmwduh8xarj9e3hypzgvy7 says in this thread:

Hyperbitcoinization is a process rather than a singular event. Today, we are initiating this process through institutional and governmental adoption.

Rootstock is not the same as other Bitcoin scalability solutions, and the scalability issue in Bitcoin is a crucial factor that will determine its global adoption.

If we aim for Bitcoin to reach as many plebs as possible, these solutions must be on every bitcoiner’s radar—at least until a BIP invalidates their usefulness.

Rootstock uses merged mining, and currently, 80% of Bitcoin miners also mine Rootstock (Foundry and SpiderPool being the most recent additions).

A sensitive point is its two-way peg bridge, which, truth be told, is currently far more advanced than other solutions. Unlike Liquid’s static federation, Rootstock operates with a dynamic federation. BitVMX (Union Bridge) is in the works, aiming to offer an improved gateway service using ZKP technology.

Rootstock does not have a native token, unlike other solutions like Mezon or Stacks, which makes a significant difference. These architectures compete with Bitcoin’s market capitalization by issuing their own tokens. In contrast, every BTC on the Rootstock network (RBTC) is used to pay miners for their services, aligning with Bitcoin’s ethos and natural incentive architecture.

On Stablecoins

This is a deep topic that should be addressed step by step. The solution that @timechainman refers to is truly a solution.

nostr:npub1s7uvsn0ku29gutma9tw43m5gpwuc8y3qwapzy5pnu5jtllpgcucsyvfwc4 has created DLLR through BTC-collateralized loans, much like the “Free Banking System” proposes (tell me something more Austrian than that).

A system that provides a primary market for BTC <> Stable conversions through a decentralized interface and free market competition becomes a real contender.

Another feature of this asset is that it is soft-pegged, meaning it is arbitrageable by the market itself. This means that if the U.S. government were to devalue its currency and all real economy products increased in price, DLLR could float and would not suffer from the devaluation of your unit of account as with other alternatives.

Every point mentioned here can become an attack vector when dealing with these monopolistic giants of “legitimate” physical coercion (Weber). We must approach solutions with an open mind and critically assess what the market is adopting today.

nostr:npub1s7uvsn0ku29gutma9tw43m5gpwuc8y3qwapzy5pnu5jtllpgcucsyvfwc4 has done—and continues to do—work that many bitcoiners have abandoned: building solutions on Bitcoin.

Exactly. Thanks for the truth bomb 👊🏼

Lol .. preach this sermon to China .. if US didn't do it , doesn't mean no one .. politics exists .. you just can't hide your neck in the sand !

Btw ..no one is stopping China to issue stable coins ..unlike their CBDC .. and Europe or India .. so ..

While it is a real threat if people are not careful to research it for themselves, most people (myself included) are at some stage of being blackpilled.

Look at the US incentives. I don't blame them because it gives them so much power. It might keep the USD sinking ship afloat for longer, but eventually it will collapse. More time for developers to build out everything necisarry for a smooth transition to a global BTC standard. Maybe this could incentives governments to support BTC to avoid an increase of USDT in their country? We already see Russia and Venezuela trading in BTC to avoid sanctions.

I think you are confused in the sense that people in the global south are just enjoying the freedom of having their own local currency in a bank that services their needs well. Most people in the global south have no bank account or real savings and a digital standard will greatly increase their access to financial services as quickly as they can get a smartphone. If you think “techno fascism” is bad try extreme poverty.

Great point. Before the Money gets turned off they can save in sats. It’s strange people can’t make that connection

I have the same conversation with gold bugs, Only 3% of money is physical cash, The CBDC is the sequel database at the fed, Just anyone not working at the federal reserve can participate in it without a bank intermediary. Also bitcoiners who want the fed to end. As much an anarchist wet dream that is, What will you buy your bitcoin with? You are the rare person who saved a million bitcoins anticipating the collapse of central banking in 2009? I am fine with the existence of FIAT currency, Most people are not technologically adept and financially literate enough to realize how to use bitcoin to outperform the Fed, To beat them at their own game. That’s what institutions are doing anyway. There are plenty of things central banks have created that I enjoy very much. Bitcoin is a useful tool in making me more money but it’s not my whole life, Just like dollars are not my whole life. Instead of promoting myself in a podcast or creating another financial product around bitcoin, I want to be living my life achieving my goals instead. My money working for me is something I only need to think about maybe an hour a day, There is more to life than money or bitcoin consuming me. I do admire the intellect of people building on bitcoin, Open source technology is creating a new global standard, And that’s fucking awesome! I also love a lot of people who have no clue that the fed is over its head in debt and they are just going about life loving their families and generally being good people, And that is mostly my experience in the 60% of the world still experiencing extreme poverty and social issues a government can not fix.

Very very well said!

On the other hand it's useful for some people who have more urgent need to fulfill

Bitcoin > fiat cash > Stable coin > Digital fiat > CBCD fiat

It's a better way to be fucked than by USAID, WEF, and IMF. At least people would be choosing USD stable coins, as opposed to our usual approach of just taking their resources through forced IMF financing.

https://www.redsearoundtable.com/post/u-s-involvement-in-global-coups-a-historical-overview

Bitcoin is the best money but it has a longer adoption path ahead than the US Dollar.

Don't let good be the enemy of great.

that is... literally the same thing

One is forced by threat of violence upon a nation, the other is not; a marginal improvement but an improvement. Any move to disempower the BIS/IMF/WEF is a positive step.

And it ties up IMF resources that would be spent fighting bitcoin adoption on fighting the US. The second order effects are all positive.

At least he gets to chose who he lets fuck him

Or you’re promoting a better currency than the shitty local currencies they have now that only enriches the global South countries’ politically connected. Dollar backed stable coins aren’t perfect. But let’s not pretend they aren’t 100x better than the bullshit being promoted as existing local currencies. If you can’t admit that then you’re promoting perpetual impoverishment and enslavement of 3/4 of the world’s population.

Have you heard of bitcoin? Check it out.

They have too and a lot of these people in the global south still want stablecoins. I think they are capable of determining what products they want to use

At least people will eventually see that Bitcoin is superior.

There is still time, they’re not going to shut off access to accounts immediately, that’s just bad marketing. Although eventually when they do it’s great Bitcoin marketing.

As a Canadian, I’m ok with the USD stable coin option because we’re likely to be offered something much worse here now that the liberals have managed to hold onto power and may very well win the next election.

Chaos just seems inevitable these days, I’m leaning into it…

Thank you for your work. I saw this idea, but reading your posts pushed up my threat level.

Bootstrapping Bitcoin as a medium of exchange to help people skip the dollar on their way to better money has never been more important

nostr:nprofile1qqsfvpc4r0g66gsxeqjhqlm2tqadntk3943k06kkym4jfg5ns7fe4tspp3mhxue69uhkyunz9e5k7qg4waehxw309ajkgetw9ehx7um5wghxcctwvsrnqh3f this is exactly what we're talking about

Concerning

but tether is run by bitcoiners 🤪

Stable coins transmit on the lightning network 😇🤣😁 the safest and cheapest form of layer two financial networking!!! Surveillance my ass 🤣😂🤣

That's some time in the future. But already today confidential transactions on Liquid Network!

lol the comments

Nice one.

So ... CBDC right?

Essentially.

While I acknowledge the potential risks of dollar-backed stablecoins, such as increased US influence and surveillance, your depiction of a 'techno-fascist dystopia' oversimplifies a complex issue. It's crucial to balance these concerns with the potential benefits like increased financial inclusion and efficient cross-border transactions, advocating for robust regulatory frameworks and exploring decentralized alternatives to mitigate the risks you've highlighted, rather than resorting to hyperbolic claims. If you find my perspective lacking, feel free to 'zap' me with your counterarguments; I'm open to further discussion.

Yes but Bitcoin first. Maybe Bitcoin only please.

Good morning. 👋

Hey community ! Big news: xAI and Telegram just dropped something huge! Over a billion users are getting #GROK. If you're a premium member, you get full access for free! #nothingtoseehere

Maybe. But how can they surveil and freeze USDT on confidential Liquid Network?

When we get atomic swaps between stablecoins and bitcoin... this will increase the speed of hyperbitcoinisation.

People will be able to escape the dollar in a few clicks.

Besides creative people will convert Trillions of #Zaps they are going to earn here on #nostr - for buying coffee :-) ... before #bitcoin is accepted by vendors en masse .. finally leading to a singular medium of exchange and store of value ..

How much Satoshi do you wish ? You seem more clever than anyone here.

If these fiatcoins ever

threaten local fiat in a way local gangsterment doesn't want, they shall just ban them, the way they can ban X or any digital service, and drive it underground.

They can even do that with Bitcoin, and have in some territories.

Well, the reality is that it's not easy to track these things. And there's already plenty of privacy tools that allow for privacy in transactions. Even Ethereum didn't blacklist OFAC censored addresses at the protocol level. And then more privacy tools will be created on Bitcoin L2 and side chains like Lightning, Taproot, Liquid, etc.

I believe this is a very positive thing because it'll bring USD stability to many more people.

In the worst of scenarios we might end up with black market USD and clear market USD.

Either way I think that's beneficial for economic stability of billions of people.

I don't give a flying fuck about "national sovereignty." Individual sovereignty is where it's at. Fuck every government. Bitcoin baby.

It's gonna get weaponized like no other. Wait till we get the next liberal crowd in office.