twitter is still pretty good and nostr is still pretty clunky.
the difference is nostr keeps getting better and twitter keeps getting worse.
the people on twitter talk about how much it sucks, the people on nostr talk about how to improve it.
follow the energy 🤗
nostr is often very toxic and obnoxious with a high proportion (in a small community) of right wing-esque people trying to spread their repulsive culture of misogyny, weaponry worship and all such hate-oriented & violent things that are more often than not highly correlated with each other.
nostr is a protocol; you’re referring to people. id suggest following different people
thank you, i try to follow nice folk, and i know i am indeed following many MANY great souls. i mentioned how nostr is a small network tho, bc the implication is that nostr starting with a proportionally high ratio of some lowliness will make its growth more associated with that same lowliness, perhaps…? and we’re just stuck having to see lots of unseemly things, just ‘cause the network is small.
contrary to popular sentiment, i do not believe technology hacks can do much to fix [all the things many think the nostr protocol can fix]. a great society always comes down to having good & great leaders (and those good & great leaders conferring power/clout to likewise independently good & great people)…using new tech to lead in better & greater ways…and, as always, leading resistance against the bad stuff.
imho. 😁😆🥹✨🙏✨
I very much agree that exceptional leaders are a very important piece...and I think restoring economic stability and leverage to 'the people' at least such that there is a state of 'fair play' -- free people will be more free to reflect and speaking their minds...Bitcoin ...and open forums like that are places to bring these things together...freedom of expression and choice...and economic freedom from several shades tyranny --- We must start somewhere...and though monied interested put alot of that static and noise out there...there are tools and technologies allowing for an opportunity ...NOT a guarantee...to attain some semblance of dynamic balance
it would be great if power were not so concentrated in such few (mostly immoral, unenlightened) people. you’re right in that we don’t actually have a culture where freedom of thought prevails. it’s dominated by groupthink and mob behaviors…in some part because regular people don’t have lots of economic freedom/power (which bitcoin could possibly definitely help with)
I hear you. -- And I think also, the large media and social channels with the types of less than positive ideas/energy are essentially magnifying the perspective of about 15-17% of the population...and these 15-17% are convinced by the obvious biased media sources that they are ACTUALLY 48-51% .... and the remaining 30-ish percent...between that 'true' 15% and the imagined 50-ish percent....'go along' with the crazies..because the TV is telling them they are about half the country...and that's how the boss or the neighbor...or my granddaddy votes etc --- It's a mess...its a bit of money, a bit of smoke and mirrors...and understanding human psychology; its malleability and how to manipulate it. ---
😭😭 it’s such a mess! 🤣🤣
I have not seen this really. Or perhaps I’m inclined to ignore some significant portion of it, being heavily exposed to the intersections of internet culture, bitcoining, and Nostr. Honestly, though I’ve been surprised how LITTLE of this I see on Nostr and how much of it I DO see on Twitter. Fundamentally though, other people’s views have no impact on mine and with this platform being natively monetized and trends like #onlyzaps I think the returns on trolling and nasty behavior are low.
I don’t give likes, and I only zap or repost things that I 1) agree with (and am willing to be SEEN agreeing with), 2) make me laugh, 3) make me think 4) confer beauty or joy.
Maybe selectively pare down or rework the folks your follow to see if that helps.
Signal & Sooth.
to be fair, it’s always worse for women on social networks. we notice bad behavior, particularly the misogynistic kind, more than men would.
hopefully zapping will indeed let positive culture spread…but some people have in their deranged hearts that guns and nastiness towards women and minorities is positive.
I believe I generally understand precisely what you are communicating -- and I feel it important to validate that experience because I do not thing it unfounded -- THAT said...with nostr..we're seeing just how quickly 'bots' can reinforce a given 'signal' or intention or perspective or piece of information - but here on nostr ....its more transparent...at least for now. -- And I'll say, even those with energy more in keeping with what you mention...I feel its somehow...soft/more real/grounded here...which is to say...-- while I may or may not agree with someone (and that's totally fine re disagreement - thats a great deal of fun! My best friends are those with whom I've had the most spirited arguments and disagreements!) -- I feel here on nostr at least we're dealing with 'real people' with 'real perspectives and experiences' ...someone growing up in one part of the world of socio-economic background as going to have a different 'data set' than another born in another time, place, and context. -- Here I find it more conducive to open and free exchange, in a more open and plain manner -- this is something I think important that Elon mentioned in his recent interview with Maher -- in some 'milieu' one cannot even question or include certain aspects of an idea or individual as a part of a broader contextual discussion without feeling as though one must 'self-censor' ..then the information and idea...really is ultimately lost...so then 'arguments' are being levied that are actually vague approximations and intimations... -- it degrades the quality of discussion. -- I think nostr has different people with different ideas, and I think that essential and pretty awesome, and here I feel like I can be friends with people that I disagree on some things with...for instance...I very much believe that we're at a technological point where the US should've figured out a solution to 'medical bankruptcy' being the number 1 cause of bankruptcy in the US kinda thing -every other industrialized nation has a right to healthcare .... some friends of mine are very much in agreement with that... -- I also very much appreciate and see the very real value of the 2nd amendment...that is a very nuanced discussion....and one that several friends of mine disagree with me...and that's fine -- it's that intersection of ideas that allows us to collectively grow and refine.....and nostr is a place at least for the time being...where I feel we can all 'be' around each other and vibe...and learn and grow and 'see' each other more.... -- It's the importance of not forgetting the initial images our of Russia leading up to the war in Ukraine ... THE PEOPLE of Russia...in public places..in large groups...showing up in vast numbers peacefully to show that THE PEOPLE ...didn't want this war. -- WE win when we 'see' each other ...rn ... I feel I can 'see' other people a bit more genuinely and clearly. --- imo.
thank you so much for your kind words & many thoughts. ✨🙏✨ i think you make an interesting point about how nostr being censorship-free also attracts or invites some people to share their deeper thoughts, thereby making it feel more “real.”
i can appreciate the second amendment, especially how the point of it is to protect against tyranny or people who would control the government in evil ways. but most people who just love their guns are not showing off their guns for such nuanced and intellectual reasons. it is usually just an attempt to be a signal of how “cool” they are while feeding a culture that permits and welcomes violence.
and incidentally, the same knucklehead culture of that part of america is also responsible for the extreme immorality of the healthcare system. the highest cost (bankruptcies) with some of the worst health.
you’re right…nostr is also fun when it’s about honest & earnest debate! ✨🤗✨
Lmao
There’s a ton of that on Twitter too. You’re going to find people you don’t like everywhere lol. Just mute those people and follow folks who have sentiments that you resonate with.
yes, of course. it’s the same everywhere, but we just keep hoping that “it will be different this time.” lol.
but how about bluesky?
not interested 🤷♂️
Just curious as to why?
Is bluesky needed when we have nostr?
they probably say the same thing over there 😆
lol facts. also, its a big world. plenty of room for different approaches.
its healthy to attack the problem from different angles
Having nostr + Twitter already feels redundant.
Once enough people have migrated on nostr, I won’t use Twitter anymore.
I still do not understand what bluesky would do better than nostr/Twitter.
Nostr pros : decentralized, free speech, plenty of different clients/experience, using sats as the standard…
Nostr cons : not many people there (yet), growing pains
Twitter pros : network effect, plenty of people there, lot of content
Twitter cons : centralized, fiat standard, no free speech, pay to win
What is bluesky trying to solve ?
Roughly the same as nostr, but with a more top down development model at the moment
Good on you to also help fund nostr then. Is the logic to have the best product win ?
Maybe there are multiple winners?
Micro app ecosystem probably sets nostr apart. It’s not just focused on social media use case.
Having an invite system + journalists on board generates hype/fomo (whether that's justified or not). In the end I don't think every Twitter alternative has to be general-purpose.
anything with exclusivity and begins its entry to market with an untouchable mindset doesn't have a clear view of the future. it's the distorted concept that fashion is "something to aspire to": whether it's weight, beauty standards, expense-chasing, brand exclusivity etc. to make something with a clear approach to marginalise anyone disagreeing with the guardrails - it will implode when it becomes public access because enough people of intellectual capacity challenge that old, tired model now. should be fun to watch. 🍿
Top down moderation / control. It’s going to suffer the same Reddit jannie problem as Mastodon and Tribel and anything else like what old mate rabble is encouraging.
I don’t believe that will be the case because you’ll get to choose if you want that or not. Unlike Reddit.
Get to choose on Mastodon, look how that worked out.
It’s about incentives and only nostr has them right. Bluesky already banning people portends another failed social app.
Is there a guaranty built into it at the technical level that this choice cannot be taken away from you?
Big tech has already proven they are completely incapable of unbiased moderation
any centralized org will have that problem. But that’s why these are protocols. Big and popular clients/relays on nostr will have that problem too.
And the general population needs to understand you get what you pay for, you will never have a free service that is a free speech platform when advertisers are involved. I’m happy to pay for a good social network solution.
i think it's incorrect framing to think big tech is self-regulated. clandestine government interference and forced shadow market compliance through harassment and blackmail isn't self-regulation.
i would argue if big tech had been allowed to self-regulate, the pivotal thinkers in innovation would have been able to correct and adjust to real-time needs and issues because they understood the risks better than anyone. instead, large-scale interference and surveillance agendas from "top down" secrecy strategies forced dangerous artificial intelligence models and smart tech tools into the hands of an unwitting, uneducated general public -
that the most innovative voices of our time believe artificial intelligence and smart tech require new perspectives should tell you all you need to know. jack and elon have both always advocated for open source to remove the gag orders surrounding innovation. and no one listened to them.
the validator pos shadow economy, which is rapidly attempting to crossover into the traditional economy, is desperate to hold onto its hostage-taking profiteering model, because as does secrecy, so too dies the entire pos platform...
Despite the protocol differences, which one would you think is a better format for a social app?
Bluesky is more like Twitter than Nostr is by far. Right now Nostr is Bitcoin maxi heavy, Bluesky is just regular people talking about regular shit. The emphasis there is more about the experience than the infrastructure. Though of course, it has its fair share of tech folks too
I think different approaches are needed and benefit each other
Still waiting to try BlueSky, Nostr users should get bluesky beta invites… 😉
Hasn’t the invite thing gone on way too long? All you see elsewhere, are photos of 10 a penny Celebs waving paper around saying they’ve got an invite-like a golden ticket. Bluesky is all about the invite hype, not seen much else-guess it will end up being all about the celebs again. I agree, with all the expertise on here-why wouldn’t beta invites been given?
Bluesky and Nostr are not the same lol. Every experience I’ve had on decentralized protocols has been vastly different. Lens, Farcaster too.
So it’s not necessarily about “what’s needed”—it’s about what type of experience(s) you are interested in exploring.
And there’s no one that can determine that for you but you.
nostr:npub1sg6plzptd64u62a878hep2kev88swjh3tw00gjsfl8f237lmu63q0uf63m
The development model of bluesky (email enrollment, invites, lack of developer freedom, ridiculous TOS) is antithesis to what is being said about bluesky. It just doesn't feel decentralized.
What’s the advantage of Bluesky (at) vs Nostr?
If both serve the same principle, how does one decide for one or the other? Also why doesn’t Blusky use Nostr?
Honest questions.
Choose whatever fits you best. Bluesky is using a different protocol for a variety of reasons. The market will determine which one is best.
“the mountain has many paths”
and they don’t all necessarily lead to the same destination
Keeping two or more (even) conflicting ideas without clinging or polarising them tends to be hard. Easier to choose early and stick with the choice.
Updating an account in each platform is tiresome though.
One meta feed reader/poster or bridges would be helpful 🤙
Bluesky is a nice alternative.
the ai market ain't a free choice farmer's market, and the city slickers who don't like the dirt lot for the market - because their now-in-fashion expensive grandma shoes get icky (which, wtf)- will allow themselves to be steered out of convenience. exhaustion plus suggestibility is a perfect storm for lost plots .
farmer's market: bottom up -
https://twitter.com/the_valley1001/status/1541266974075805698?s=46&t=dNCvJf_QusLEvYoKccEtgA
personal preference. nostr feels more grassroots, DIY.
bluesky feels more top-down, process oriented.
both have a place. i think of it like punk rock vs classical music. i love both and i recognise you can’t have an orchestra without the process and rigor, but i’d rather be in the punk bands and at the punk shows.
end of the day both are trying to make music.
the exclusivity invite paradigm is such a manufactured hype - feels forced. it will be a filter bubble to end all filter bubbles, and the learning will be done before it opens to the public, so all of those who did not detox from the corrupted language models from board-of-directors twitter, will find "refuge" there, establish a elite police conceptualism before anyone else is able to challenge it, and it will be a breeding ground for propaganda come the election cycle. the incorrect narratives and loopy detachment will be rife. you won't catch me showing up anywhere without a direct invitation and i'll be damned if i'll beg for one. but most people are conditioned differently.
get fucked. 🎈
Blue Sky's best feature; Ability to control content
While I agree that nostr is improving, I think that Twitter is improving too. I came back to Twitter a few months ago and the improvement has been phenomenal. And Twitter has a better starting point.
Especially if you talk about the content - nostr is mainly about nostr and some Bitcoin. Twitter is more wide and thus interesting.
Twitter honestly isn’t as bad as anyone says it is. The complaints are overexaggerated
Twitter still offers a much better UX. I force myself to open Damus once a day but only out of idealism 🤷♀️
Damus feed is hella disorienting 😵💫
the beauty of nostr is that you aren’t locked into damus.
you could even build a client just for yourself, tailored to your needs
You’re comparing a ~10 year old company to a ~four month old startup lol. Of course Twitter offers a better UX, it literally has billions of dollars and full-fledged teams globally.
Try using Damus on TestFlight, Will is constantly shipping updates. It’s my favorite client on Nostr.
I'm comparing results, not efforts. As a user, I couldn't care less how much work went into the product. I care how good it is.
I use Damus.
I'm glad Nostr exists. I hope it gets better because now it's just not good enough to displace the incumbents and they need displacing.
Of course. I’m simply providing the explanation to why these differences exist
Maybe because I work in start up I have a little more compassion for builders 😅😅😅
Also, Nostr will never replace Twitter and that’s ok.
fiat is still pretty good and bitcoin is still pretty clunky.
the difference is bitcoin keeps getting better and fiat keeps getting worse.
the people on fiat talk about how much it sucks, the people already on bitcoin talk about how to improve it.
follow the energy ;-)
