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Guy Swann 2y ago

Unpopular Fact:

Wind and solar energy, the most virtue signaled renewable energies, are NOT good for the environment and are certainly not superior to fossil fuels as a broad source of energy & means of protecting the environment from human impact. These are the least dense, most unreliable energy sources we have which, at scale, make them hugely destructive to the environment across multiple levels of their manufacture and implementation.

Sorry, but if we actually care about the environment, we need to know where these technologies have their place, where they do not make sense, & where their political narratives are greatly divorced from reality.

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Jdubs 2y ago

But but my feelings… 🤡 🌍

#nuclear #bitcoin

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2e202d92... 2y ago

Not to mention the fact that due to the unreliable and largely unpredictable nature of their energy production (due to things like low wind and/or cloudy days) they make it harder for power plants to meet demand. Ramping power generation up and down is not an efficient way for power plants to run and it greater increases maintenance and shortens expect life of power plant generators.

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BlackBlot 2y ago

Its non an unpopular fact - just a fact 🫠

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80f48f5e... 2y ago

Good for my electric bill lol

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pj 2y ago

The amount diesel consumed mining the precious metals build these systems is baffling. Just use that fuel for energy production as is. #[2]​ crushed this on TFTC last week.

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Kano 2y ago

It’s not unpopular, I think every single person on this platform knows this.

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Kano 2y ago

What I do know is we can’t just completely lose faith in certain options and close ourselves off, humans are pretty good at problem solving, the benefits from solar especially could be monumental, it’s about figuring it out.

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Guy Swann 2y ago

I'm not writing them off, that's specifically the point at the end, that solar in particular is a wonderful tool for *decentralized & local* energy production, but is a terrible solution for broad, scalable energy production.

ie. that's why I suggested we need to understand their realities and know their place in the overall picture.

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47 2y ago

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Solar at scale is a horrific idea. But small scale its epic. We are 100% solar with a battery - which i think of as simply paying for your electricity upfront in bulk - and i cannot tell you how good it os for your nervous system to not have to think about it.

My wife msgd me while i was traveling to CR and we lost power around in our area, so a friend was coming over to our place because we were unaffected.

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Guy Swann 2y ago

That's awesome, how many panels do you have? I've been figuring out ways to supplement, but completely replacing my reliance on the grid seems to not be feasible. Would love to find out I'm wrong about that!

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VelvetBlue_art 2y ago

We have an electric coop where I live and they just put in large scale solar backups.

It lowers our costs and it's amazing to have it as a back up source.

It is feasible to do it personally too. It is now at least.

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80f48f5e... 2y ago

How big is the battery? Last time I checked, Tesla's 10KwH batters were almost 10K and that size is not even enough

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⚡Lightning Goats⚡ 2y ago

Grid attached solar doesn't make sense.

But being offgrid the last 5 years has been awesome in my case. It's a hedge against future energy prices, and when you consider the base amount needed to just have an account on the grid it's already a lot cheaper in some ways. If you aren't already attached to the grid, it's substantially cheaper than attaching. And like others have mentioned it's a lot more stable, at least in my neck of the woods.

\m/ offgrid-regenerative-routing \m/

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⚡Lightning Goats⚡ 2y ago

Here's some live stats of the current system https://hab.bolverker.com/

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ShiShi21m 2y ago

Your first sentence contradicts your last, because obviously rooftop solar would be great,

It's just when roofs are bare & fields of productive grass are being covered instead...idiocracy

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Chris_H 2y ago

This is bullshit, everyone with a brain knows that. Read papers mate.

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Michael Matulef 2y ago

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mchotbot 2y ago

Your message is resonating with a lot of people.

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FikaTimeBooks.com 2y ago

I appreciate that facts are true regardless of how wrong people are or how hard they rail against them.

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Duncan Cary Palmer 2y ago

👇 THIS 👇

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Transzendent 2y ago

Energy production is not priceless if you include production, so energy production is always bad for environment.

However windmills are not so bad and produce about the same amount of c02 per kwh like nuclear power plants. It makes sense to add windmills to a grid to support your nuclear power plants.

Of course wind is not environmentaly friendly if you go 100% and need tons of batteries, additionall grid and overcapacity.

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6e70253f... 2y ago

Just like Bitcoin you need to give it time. Long storage batteries will be a game changer for wind and solar, and that is about 5-10 years of.

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Big Dogg 2y ago

Interested to hear why solar is not good for the environment?

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entropi 2y ago

I cannot be energy sovereign with a nuclear power plant.

The huge centrally planned hydro and nuclear power plants are a great way to keep a population dependent on the entity on control of the grid.

Perhaps in some future with small scale village-size solutions, but we're not there for a long time.

I do however generate more solar electricity than I consume in a year.

In Sweden which is dark in the winter, we need to keep the grid running with hydro and fission.

A small scale Stirling or steam powered CHP device might work, but the only alternative I can see in winter is a ~20 kWh battery and diesel genset.

Solar panels are fusion siphoning devices and they are a fantastic complement that increase my sovereignity and grid dependency.

Their energy ROI is about 5-10 years I suppose.

Fission is fantastic if you're comparing to huge wind farm, but not good for small scale sovereign individuals.