So, due to the recent enactment of the UKās Online Safety act, we maybe forced to not serve any content to the citizens of UK (accessing from UK) if our AI determines that the content is unsafe or unscannable. It may also impact AU in the near future if people of AU will allow their government to continue on the current course. Donāt blame the messenger, the fines are ridiculous and impossible to fight. Alternative is similarly ridiculous, scanning your face by some third party to verify your age.
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Ouch !
Thatās what happens when citizens sleep while some radicals in the society push their agenda forward
I assume UK based users of Nostr will be able to hide their location?
I totally disagree with the idea of controlling people online, but one will have to evolve with the playing field they occupy
Australia will be close behind I am sure
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Thatās up to them, TOR is always an option, so is VPN. But I am sure theyāll do crackdown on them (VPN services) too
I'm in the UK. I use a vpn. So its an easy work around for me. For those providing websites that falls under UK Online Safety Act, then yes you have to force those from uk visiting your website to do an age verification. Its ridiculous. I'm not providing any data for this purpose. Its just another way to collect people's data which will eventually be misused and leaked and in the end its the individuals that give over their personal data that will suffer, by having their privacy invaded, and security compromised. š±
Australian government said they would sue VPN operators for allowing Australians to use their services.
UK will probably do something similar
If a user's goal is to hide their location then Nostr is not a great choice of protocol. Every relay connection requires the relay to know the user's IP, and that's mandated by the protocol itself, regardless of what the relay does or does not do with this info. And the user needs multiple relays, often random, often out of their control. All relays use DNS relying on certificate authorities and public registrars, registries.
Then add in all the media servers (for a single not you need the relay and the media server, and maybe the mirrors too). Then add in the CDN serving the media itself. It's basically standing on a hill and shouting in every direction.
And VPNs don't help much. Most VPN use is trivial to detect now (especially on phones), and VPNs cut both ways, a user could be out of the UK and get a UK VPN and now the relay or media server has to treat them like they're in the UK, with appropriate guardrails. So the obligation on Nostr relays, media servers, everything, is very heavy, regardless of VPNs
Basically if location privacy is a major concern then a user would not choose Nostr, they'd choose something else.
Will the UK Online Safety Act force content providers on nostr to censor those from the UK if they don't provide age verification?
Ultimately that's what its all about.
If I post something from the UK on nostr that the UK government don't like can they force the relays to censor me?
Very valuable insight. Thanks
So the point is, yes they canāt switch you off, but they will know exactly where you are
Yeah, that's the strength of nostr. They can try censor us, but its impossible really.
As for vpn not hiding location, I'm not entirely sure why vpn are not effective in hiding location. Practically the vpn I use works. Ive been on sites since the UK Online Safety Act came into operation. With a vpn outside of UK, UK websites work fine. Without vpn, the website is requesting I complete age verification. You can test this for yourself.
Joe's post on how vpn does not hide location or hide location on nostr. I dont understand the technical jargon and content of the message. Or the limitations of vpns and how they actually are not good at hiding location.
If nostr relays can see our true ip address (even with the use of a vpn), how can an authority get access to this information? Is it public? Do they have to contact the relays? Do they need to run their own relay to get this info. I admit my technical understanding of nostr isn't as good as it should be.
When we say we want to hide our location, what we really saying is we dont want to be censored. Which nostr is succeeding at.
Maybe we could invite a nostr dev to answer some of our questions.
Nostr isnāt a platform though right? Itās a protocol - so is it affected by this regulation?
How would they fine you unless youāre a business operating within either country?
Read and find out, itās all in their explainer.
Happen to have a link? I could not really find anything.
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how much of your traffic is from the UK? nevermind don't answer that, curious tho š if anyone exists over ther.
A plenty to be worried about this
To avoid prosecution would need to also censor content if it ācouldā be for UK citizen? Ie via vpn or tor
and now you see how fragile it all really is, the internet was never a human right, it was never speech. it is a harness of control and each country's ruling class wants their piece of whatever is left of your mush brain when they're done.
"for your safety"
Sheeple sleep, sheeple get harnessed
Hmm, interesting. No specific details on how theyād deal with companies not doing business in UK. Oh well.
They can sue you I guess, and UK has a lot of sway internationally
"The Act applies to services even if the companies providing them are outside the UK should they have links to the UK. This includes if the service has a significant number of UK users, if the UK is a target market, or it is capable of being accessed by UK users and there is a material risk of significant harm to such users."
This means that anyone who runs such a service can be denied entry to the UK, can be charged in abstentia and prosecuted on entry to the UK, or in extreme cases (and if treaties exist) can be extradited to the UK.
"The Act gives Ofcom the powers they need to take appropriate action against all companies in scope, no matter where they are based, where services have relevant links with the UK. This means services with a significant number of UK users or where UK users are a target market, as well as other services which have in-scope content that presents a risk of significant harm to people in the UK."
This is effectively toothless. If you are scared of that, I don't know what to tell you. They can shut you out but how is that any different than just self-censoring?
Probably the same way Australia plans to
Who the Act applies to:
The Actās duties apply to search services and services that allow users to post content online or to interact with each other. This includes a range of websites, apps and other services, including social media services, consumer file cloud storage and sharing sites, video-sharing platforms, online forums, dating services, and online instant messaging services.
The Act applies to services even if the companies providing them are outside the UK should they have links to the UK. This includes if the service has a significant number of UK users, if the UK is a target market, or it is capable of being accessed by UK users and there is a material risk of significant harm to such users.
Good idea for relay operators to evaluate the risks and decide whether or not to block UK ASNs.
Or, just donāt be cowards
Which relays are you running?
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Ok. That was a rhetorical question.
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Non cowardly ones
Maybe this will force UK citizens to act and not just sit there and take it.
Lol
The Britās are cowardly cunts
How can an unarmed society counter military weapons?
Stop working.
Stop paying taxes.
I've been saying it all along....
Stop feeding the beast you are trying to fight.
Starve that MF before you even enter the room to fight....
Only now, governments and corporations have the same money you'd be using while they crumble....
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Satoshi in 2009 - "peer to peer"
Now, the government is your peer....
They do it plenty well with the guys cutting down video cameras.
Just go do that to the invading pakis.
Thatās the hope
Australia is next. EU is warming on the sidelines
-UK citizens in 2015:
Look at the poor people of [insert dictatorial country], they have to use a VPN to bypass the online censorship of their government.
-UK citizens in 2025:
Hey Google, how do I use a VPN without the government knowing it?
How about just don't comply?
Like isn't the whole selling point on nostr that it's censorship resistant?
It is censorship-resistent through redundancy.
That means it becomes more resistent, the more nodes there are, and the more geographically and legally-distributed the nodes are. It does not mean that a node can't be attacked with lawfare.
Also, a media server is not a relay. Nostr is a protocol that covers relays. Blossom is the closest thing we have to a media server protocol, so help out by running a blossom server.
So Nostr isnāt censorship resistant after all
Try to understand the difference between water proof and water resistant. Helps in everyday situations šš½
Canada and USA will put forward similar laws soon too.
Trust me, USA is already a step ahead with implementing the digital id which is the whole reason that UK and Australia created these laws.
EU also has something similar in the works.
The USA has the Second Amendment and remember that Trump has Truth Social. Canada is on the trajectory of allowing government control. The USA is far behind and after covid wont tolerate much.
Why comply? Just route differently no? VPN, TOR, I2P, why are you moderating on behalf of a government? Just, don't pay the fines and then what?
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Dont you get it, freedom causes fascism so freedom must be stopped
Pussy man. You are also part of the problem. Even worse, you fail to acknowledge it and just deflect blame onto others. Pussy man
If you understand the infrastructure of nostr you'll understand the risks he's facing. The text is distributed on relays, images are hosted on servers.
If you want to do something useful, build a distributed image hosting protocol instead of criticizing people who are supporting this one.
However, if such a service existed it would also open the floodgates to CP, snuff films, and any other atrocity you can imagine.
Donāt feed a troll, nostr:npub1jfn4ghffz7uq7urllk6y4rle0yvz26800w4qfmn4dv0sr48rdz9qyzt047
I think my initial response was a bit harsh. Thank you for your calm and actually useful reply.
Distributed hosting protocols already exist, but that is beside the point. This is not a tech issue, its a principles issue. Caving to totalitarian goverments is not going to make the problem go away. Dont you think nostr has failed if were going to start censoring ourselves?
Thanks for coming back to chat.
Since I first started using nostr I have imagined that it will eventually spread out in a way where some parts (maybe large parts) of the network are compliant with governments, but smaller segments will be more privacy focused and less compliant.
If one image host is compliant we still have the option to use another. The same is true of clients, but as fishcake pointed out, hostiya non-copliant relay will pose it's own challenges.
The best path forward is to continue creating software and hardware that make nostr easier to use and harder to stop.
Some countries will be more compliant than others to the global propaganda system. That was clear during COVID for example. Maintaining liberty may require a physical relocation by the individual; especially if they are located in the UK or EU.
The alternative is a physical uprising and I think that's inevitable, but mess and risky.
The number of replies from people who don't understand the difference between nostr and image hosting is disappointing
Relays are subject to that rule even more so, actually
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This fucking regulations will come to EU soon š¤¦š”
Itās possible, not like we are swimming in cash and lawyers
It is unlikely that any Bitcoin-related organization would want to sponsor any of it anyway.
With the attitude I am seeing from many of the people that run these organizations, they would try to shift the blame to āwhy arenāt you doing anything about it.ā
They should be easier to disguise, replace, ect. no?
Hopefully this produces innovation out of the trap.. App operators seem like the easiest target through app store censorship.
Itās definitely harder for UK to āaddressā Nostr, since itās not a single entity. Itās not impossible for them to bully relays into submission
Be kind to the fishcake. He's in a tough position
Seems like a pain in the ass. Glad I live in the USA and we're well armed to keep the government in check. It's up to the NAZI's in the UK to block traffic if they've gone wacko. The world does not need to respond to psychopathic behavior other than what was done to Germany in during WW2.
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Venice Uncensored 1.1
To block UK ASNs, you would need to identify and list the ASNs that are registered within the United Kingdom. This process involves using the information from Regional Internet Registries (RIRs) and potentially leveraging databases that catalog ASNs by region.
Here's a step-by-step guide on how to approach blocking UK ASNs:
Identify Relevant RIR: The UK falls under the jurisdiction of the RIPE NCC (RĆ©seaux IP EuropĆ©ens Network Coordination Centre), which is the Regional Internet Registry responsible for Europe, the Middle East, and parts of Central Asia 1ā¢2ā¢3
Access RIPE NCC Database: Use the RIPE NCC's public database to search for ASNs registered in the UK. This database contains detailed information about IP addresses and AS numbers originally allocated to members by the RIPE NCC 1ā¢2ā¢3
Filter by Country: Within the RIPE NCC database, you can filter ASNs by country. Look for ASNs assigned to organizations based in the UK. This can be done through the RIPEstat tool, which provides information about IP address space, AS numbers, and related details for hostnames and countries 1ā¢2ā¢3
List UK ASNs: Compile a list of all ASNs that are registered to UK-based organizations. This list will serve as your target for blocking.
Implement Blocking: Depending on your network configuration, you can implement the blocking of these ASNs at the router or firewall level. This involves configuring your network devices to deny traffic from the specified ASNs.
Monitor and Update: Regularly monitor the list of UK ASNs, as new ASNs may be assigned over time. Update your blocking rules accordingly to ensure continued effectiveness.
Use ASN Lookup Tools: Utilize online tools such as HackerTarget's ASN lookup service to verify and cross-reference the ASNs you plan to block. These tools can provide additional details about the ASNs, including the organization they belong to, which can help in confirming their UK-based status 4
By following these steps, you can effectively block UK ASNs from your network, ensuring that traffic from these autonomous systems is denied. Keep in mind that this process requires ongoing maintenance to account for any changes in ASN assignments within the UK.
May be well armed but I doubt one in a thousand who have guns have the training and backbone to stand up against tyranny. Was in US for Covid Insanity. Most everyone just went along. And that was the greatest loss of real freedom in American history.
LOL, A friend and I put 120,000 miles on one of my cars during "lockdown" in the USA. We never had issues finding motels. The roads were empty and life was free. During that time, I observed all the highway cameras being installed while people were afraid to go outside. There were many that protested the lockdowns, but it was banned from the "news" and social media. People in the USA saw how an old man with dementia was used to try to roll in censorship. It's been reversed, but each generation has the responsibility to maintain it. The younger generation in the USA is disgusted with what happened and keep aware of the reality and find their own information to stay away from the deceivers.
It has not been reversed and it was Donald Trump during his first term, not Biden.
But hey, when you are a pedophile you just make up lies as an excuse to support Trump...
I was amazed to see a covid protest in the US. Cops stood against protesters armed with semi automatic rifles.
https://everytownresearch.org/report/covid-armed-protests/
I know this was rare in the US and most parts of US u doryiantely fell into line just like rest of the world.
Here in the UK we've have had anti immigration protests, cops brutally took down peaceful protesters using the most cruel violence I've ever seen, disgusting. UK police have been responsible for inciting violence at peaceful protests
Last year peaceful protestors given 2 year prison sentences. Judge actually admitted you've done nothing wrong but because you were present you will be given a prison sentence. I can't find the videos, seems like the videos have now been taken down. These were official videos which were streamed live by the courts to make example of protesters.
Makes me think we need US style rights to bear arms in the UK to protect ourselves from Stalin Starmers UK government and their brutal UK police force.
Lol you're a fool.
Glad you live in USA hahahaha
Texas already has this in place.
Elon Musk and Mark Zuckerberg lobbied the Texas state government to implement this ALREADY.
Texas was literally the first, before UK Australia Canada or EU
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak outāāØĀ Ā Ā Because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak outāāØĀ Ā Ā Because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak outāāØĀ Ā Ā Because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for meāand there was no one left to speak for me.
Martin Niemƶller (1892ā1984)
Or go dark. They can't fine what they can't find. Anonymous servers run by anonymous entities. Let them eat dark.
print your own firearms
Fix your LNw I canāt tip you
am somewhat new to nostr, but
I donāt like it as it asks for personal details which might deanonymize me such as email, residence country etc
LIE š¤·āāļø
I just tried pressing on the wallet in āPrimalā and it asks for name/email/date of birth/residency
LIE you simpleton just mother fucking LIE!! As in no mom I did NOT take the cookies šŖ bro Iām fucking OG NULL do you think thatās a real name???
bro I am just trying to say that at this particular aspect I have no idea what I am doing and have some concerns
That fair homie and the answer is LIE!! Nobody on here is using their real info!! Create an Atomic email as itās fully decentralized and no dataā¦ use that to create your LNw!! Once you do that you no longer need that email just your private primal keys ā
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If people of Au allow it? Umm no.
It was passed by the government without a debate, we had no say at all, none of the politicians outside the two major parties were allowed to have a say.
And the government announced the reason for this is to protect children from learning about anti Semitism.
In Australia we have absolutely no power over our politicians, they are controlled by zionist pedophiles just like USA.