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Te cambio signal x simplex
I would choose simplex instead of signal...
Simplex uses the Signal protocol. Signal is king.
This statement is nonsensical. OMEMO for XMPP also uses parts of Signal's protocols, and yet both SimpleX and XMPP allow users to not give their metadata to a single centralized entity that is running a single endpoint with software they are unable to verify. Ingesting literally every user's metadata, while actively preventing them from connecting to users outside of their own service is pretty much the antithesis of bitcoin, nostr, and the rest of that list, message encryption or not.
It's factually true.
How so? No federated app is using only the Signal Protocol by itself. You may as well say that Merkle Trees are better than Bitcoin, or Git is better than Bitcoin, because it used Merkle Trees first. Nonsensical to me.
Yes, I get it and I think we don't disagree although your words are too absolutist and agressive for my taste. Signal the app itself uses more than the Signal protocol as well. The Signal protocol is the foundation of most modern e2e chats, it's been cryptographically audited and battle tested for years. It's one of the best things that happened on the internet.
Fair enough. Didn't mean to be rude. Just disagree strongly with Signal *the app* being on the list, because so many bitcoiners are still on Telegram and I'd rather have them move to a decentralized messenger than another centralized service.
also closed source, uses a central server controlled by the CIA and is run by a bunch of pedophiles
I know it. That's why.
With simplex besides the king, you have the warriors, the weapons and the castle, surrounded by pits of muddy anonymity.
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Ecash?
Ah so gnu taler is in the same page with ecash. Nice to hear that. I like it.
SimpleX and Session. Tuta Nota.
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Btnets? 🤔
Affirmative.
ul or ol?
Yeah, Signal is my No 1 messenger too. 🙌🏻
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I’m also grateful for libgen
can't properly express how grateful I am for libgen and scihub
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Simplex.chat
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and in the near future: keet.io
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Excellent set up 💪
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Decentralise, Encrypt, Resist. ✨
I would swap out ecash for LN and drop Signal - Nostr will eventually handle that use case.
But indeed, what a time to be alive!
CIAgnal
Google, Amazon, Microsoft & Cloudflare say "thank you" for your metadata you spread around with the SignalApp !
Signal got your mobilenumber, so you can be tracked all the time.
Only Threema allows 100% anonymity !
Check it for yourself:
Visit
https://www.securemessagingapps.com
Rate:
🟩=3 🟨=1 🟥=0
Results (and where the money comes from)
1. Threema = 86 = most secure Messenger (User pays one-time BTC)
2. Signal (OTF / Brian Acton / Ex-WhatsApp) = 80
3. Session (Loki Coin & suspicious Chinese) = 77
4. Wire (Janus Fries / Ex-Skype) = 68
5. SimpleX Chat *= 67
6. Wickr (Amazon) = 61
7. Element / Matrix (Amdocs / Morris Kahn) = 56
8. Apple iMessage (Hardware sales) = 37
9. WhatsApp (Meta) = 32
10. Google Messages (Ads) = 28
11. Telegram (Putin) = 27
12. Facebook Messenger (Meta) = 26
13. Microsoft Skype =10
* SimpleX Chat got 380.000 $ from VillageGlobal.vc = Jez Bezos, Mark Zuckerberg, Bill Gates, ect.
OFT = OpenTechnologyFund = US-Goverment
So if the Owner of a plattform is from Russia the plattform belongs to Putin?
So Threema belongs to Viola Amherd ? 🤔
That's not enough proof for me.
A US Media writes a bad article about a russian guy.
That happens all day. America wants to destroy other messenger because they want the people to use there messenger.
That didn´t mean that i fully trust Durov.
On the other hand threema is not open source, so for me also not trustful.
We need a fully foss messenger protocol without a company behind it. Only when there is no one they can put in jail they don´t have a chance to beat a messenger down.
So i think we need a real good and safe messenger protocol inside of Nostr.
Telegram Servers are in Russia!
That is enough to NOT use this Putin Shit!
You are not wrong on this, but it is not the right way to use another Platform which is also in the hand of a company and the goverment of the company country.
Would i personaly trust swiss more then russia? Of course!
But the best solution is to don´t have to trust anyone.
That is why Bitcoin is the only useful money and Nostr the only useful "social media" or also messenger.
The apps from Threema are open source, which in the end means nothing.
I do trust threema more then most of the other messenger, but it is still in the hand of a company which can be controled by the goverment and the server code is not open source, so i would never completly trust them.
It also happend to proton, that they have to control a few of there users because the swiss goverment wanted this.
No Company = no trust problems.
It is easy
Yes, because if he doesn't do what Putin demands, his ass will be jailed or worse. That's the problem with having any CEO or single point of failure.
Who?
He didn´t live in russia.
On the other hand Zuck and Whittaker live in america.
But yes absolutly, we need a protocol for this problems, not a platform.
I guess Nostr will fix this.
The company and employees are based in Russia. And those assets can be seized by Russia at any moment. Zuck and any other American CEO is ultimately at the behest of the American Gov and can't deviate from orders either.
And yes, faceless open source software like bitcoin, nostr are how we will fix this.
Your link recommends Threema but also Signal Wire & Session (and is ambivalent about SimpleX)
And I don't see the numerical ratings you gave
Reading educates!
There’s no 100% anonymous nowhere on the internet,or using apps trough the big techs platforms! 100% safe is just that never has been connected on the internet! Sorry ! 🫠😎⚡️
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Add GrapheneOS to this list
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I dislike torrents
Yes!
Bitcoin
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VPN’s( LN⚡️VPN or Proton),or both kk
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That’s all we need! 🔪💀😎🔥⚡️
Just you and your digital escape routes while the world burns. 😀
... and #zaps 😉💪.
Don’t forget proton. And Threema of course 🇨🇭
Hey is there a good source for Ecash to learn about? Thanks!
https://wallet.cashu.me/ works perfectly with min https://mint.minibits.cash/Bitcoin
What are the most common presentation layers for these?
What are you hiding!? 😂
are you really physics phd? nice!!!
why signal and not telegram? and which search engine do you use?
Telegram by default is not end to end encrypted. Telegram can access and can keep copies of all messages.
Signal was developed at the NSA headquarters and sponsored by tens of millions USD per year until recently.
All things considered, it is wise to keep distance. From a western perspective, even telegram has likely more privacy than signal and whatsapp (same algorithm).
We're at nostr, promote 0xchat.
The best evidence for Signal vs Telegram is responses to subpeonas from courts, which has repeatedly shown that Signal has very little info be comparison.
It is the other way around. They already get all necessary info from Signal and Whatsapp directly. If it really was private, the mainstream and govs would be chasing and badmouthing signal like they do with telegram.
The NSA museum takes pride on planting exploits that go for decades until being exposed and admitted.
What a bunch of bullshit. Signal is open source protocol it can be developed at hell.
Being open source isn't a guarantee of being secure.
Plus, it isn't even *really* open source because you don't know what kind of server they are running behind their walls, nor do you compile yourself the client version to know you aren't using a spy version.
Just try to learn something new today.
Interesting, so what do you suggest to use instead of Signal then.
First of you all: you are very unusual. Not only are you humble, as you are willing to listen. Have to say your reply has completely broken my pattern recognition: I salute you.
There aren't any mainstream private messengers. I use Telegram often because they have a good API with their bots and the West has to pay some money to Russia before they can snoop my data.
Non-mainstream things like Matrix (so many holes, ask the German gov) or Threema aren't verifiable. Same applies to SimpleX: running on "free" servers from a commercial company that holds 99.999% of the communications and users installing same company apps on the phone without doing it themselves. Basically same as telegram 10 years ago (they guys are even Russian too).
If you ask me, the most private messenger that I see being used in the real world is NOSTR.
Battle-proven encrypted PGP messages that are without privacy flaws since almost 30 years.
You can quickly send these encrypted messages to one or more hundreds (thousands?) of volunteer-based nodes across the globe.
There are dozens and dozens of different ways to read and send those messages. So many clients from different providers or easily make your own and make sure the client itself isn't betraying you.
Many nodes talk to each other using I2P, reticulum and other nightmarish communication paths.
Heck, you don't even need a smartphone or laptop nowadays with suspicious Windows/Linux/Android or OSX underneath because ESP32 running on T-deck are becoming a thing.
For those who know: private messages made by the tech and people around here are just god-awful to track for any law-abiding org.
No, im sorry because I recognized you as an ignorant / uneducated. Well I would be right 99% of time, since most day I deal with literally older people learning how internet and computers work, but not this time. Well said. Thank you.
Btw, what’s your opinion about BTC vs Monero?
Well.. I'm one of those that still mined bitcoin with CPUs back in 2009 when it was all the rage on the BBS of those days. It was fun but it wasn't profitable and you'd quickly focus more on daytrading again.
Bitcoin wasn't private, but was a good exercise from cybersec people trying something new without need for trust and a noble cause (separate money from the govs).
Monero was different because it was dirty from the beginning. The team behind was toxic and criminal (they still are) but over the years somehow they switched places completely.
BTC became a collector's item for hipsters and a religious object for those who hope it just goes up at any cost, even their privacy. They never use it for payment, they never mined it, and feds will track you.
XMR can still be mined today on any laptop using a decentralized mining pool which pays very decently in daily basis. Besides the privacy, it does end up being used to purchase drugs, pay for cyber attacks or just give donations for things in the real world.
Tbey are both OK for their audiences. The coin that I'm a fan doesn't yet exist, when that time comes it will indeed be memorable.
Thanks for opinion!
I’m ears are all yours, seriously. I just had today a whole big debate with newbs about Ledger vs Coldcard and I’m done explaining the implications of closed source software and I understand that I can be the same dummy but on a bit higher level. Tell me.
Use Molly
and all those criticisms apply to nostr clients and relays too
unless you're one of the .1% checking the code and compiling from source you have to decide where to place trust.
SimpleX ser 👀
Ecash?
Linux and Start9 for me.
That's a great set of skills! Now you can enter the dungeon and farm your life in peace... for now, haha.
why so slow?
What makes Signal better choice than Sphinx?
When is someone going to develop a protocol that combines Bitcoin and Torrents to incentivise decentralised content storage and delivery…
I wonder too. Article by nostr:npub1xapjgsushef5wwn78vac6pxuaqlke9g5hqdfjlanky3uquh0nauqx0cnde
https://bitcoinmagazine.com/technical/durabit-incentivizing-torrent-seeding-with-bitcoin
Get paid in sats to seed things 🤔
I hope something like this becomes the foundation of the internet to host all of the content in a way that can’t be stopped
Decentralised CDN to host websites, stores, media etc.
Think Silk Road that can’t be shutdown and there’s no webmaster to arrest. It’s just a stack of protocols
Yes!!!
Can’t remember when it was a last time I used torrent haha
Not signal.. simplex.chat
And immich, thats a big one if u ask me
#Reticulum Network Stack
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