A traditional generational conflict usually looks like this, the older generation says āwe had it hard tooā the younger generation says āyou donāt understand our worldā. Thatās normal, it happens every generation.
Thatās not whatās going on with boomers and millennials.
The friction between boomers and millennials is different than the average inter-generational conflict.
Because boomers betrayed millennials.
Boomers and zoomers*
Millennials all got homes at 2.8% interest rates and great jobs rn
boomers were scammed by their parents its scams all the way down
the hippie movement and its ideals was subverted by three letter agencies
kind like what's happening now to the ideals and values of bitcoin
Yes. And they don't want to admit it.
I believe the solution is the following:
You solve it with your parents/grandparents. If every milennial solves it with their attached boomer counterpart, as millennials know how to deal with hard problems, it will solve most issues.
I dealt with my parents and grandparents myself. Talked everything through with them around 15 years ago. Got all my share from their wealth when the time came, cascading properly, through parents who cascaded further the shares I would get from them. With realtively even between grandkids and kids.
They knew the drill, we knew the drill. My greatest generation and boomer frictions are solved financially and respect-wise, many years ago.
What else could I ask for? I hope you guys will have that sorted for yourselves too!
Exactly. We (me and my wife) solved it with my parents and parents of my wife. It's not generational problem, it's family problem. Always was, always will be.
A lot of Boomers have no kids and just live off of other people's kids. Nearly Ā¼.
That was the actual betrayal. Set up a system based upon transfers from children to their parents and then skip having children.
If you have no kids, you are paying for services when you get older. Services that get VERY expensive, than otherwise are offered to you by your kids. All younger generations need is to offer those services, have high prices and take their money. At the end, it can cost them way more than having kids and service can be way worse than one offered by a kids in decent family.
Not having kids is not winning it's loosing.
First step to solve a problem is to recognize you have one. Boomers are sadly still in denial.
nostr:npub14mcddvsjsflnhgw7vxykz0ndfqj0rq04v7cjq5nnc95ftld0pv3shcfrlx reflections nick fuentes interview with piers Morgan is pretty insightful, millennials have been betrayed and it explains quite a bit of their extreme behaviours.
Me and my boomer dad are on the same page though, share a glass of wine, put the world to rights. š«”š
nostr:npub1rtlqca8r6auyaw5n5h3l5422dm4sry5dzfee4696fqe8s6qgudks7djtfs but then Iām gen x šØāš¦³
SO ITS DIFFERENT THIS TIMEā¦.
I AM THE FIRST TO ADMIT I DONāT KNOW ABOUT MUCHā¦
BUT WHAT I DO KNOW IS āTHE METHOD HUMANS HAVE HISTORICALLY USED TO COMMUNICATE VALUE TO ONE ANOTHER WAS/IS BROKEN.ā WAS-UNTIL BITCOIN CAME AROUND - IS BECAUSE WE ARE STILL LIVING IN THE WORLD FIAT BUILTā¦
CHANGE OF THIS MAGNITUDE TAKES TIMEā¦WE ARE ONLY 927563 BLOCKS OF TIME INTO THIS FIX
Boomers, the narcissistic gen. Didn't start that way.
As a young Xer, I feel this too. At any other time in history the 45-55 year old group would have taken the reins of most institutions, but it is barely happening. Longevity is part of it, but these folks donāt know how to let go, how to not be the center of the world.
Iām curious if this is a common 4th turning happening, largely responsible for institutions failing?
I don't buy this.
We can blame them for doing what's in their best interests, or we can create our world.
I tend to agree on the second part. My frustration is born of being in a business, on boards, etc., where folks literally in their 80s refuse to pass the torch.
So I stay humble, stack sats, and count down the days until I Galtās Gulch out.
I suspect many of us Xers wonāt be noticed until weāre gone, lol.
And we are coming to reclaim our time&energy they stole from us š§”š½
Ah, America š«Ø
Iām not a boomer but I will say this. Humans are living much longer than they used to. Like 20 years longer. Delaying wealth transfer by 20 years is a bigger deal than most understand. This problem only gets worse in the future with AI easily taking life spans to 100+
The boomer real estate collapse when they really start passing away will be fascinating. Millennials donāt even want their McMansions. What will happen?
Sounds like victimhood. Surprising to read from you.
Nobody betrayed anybody.
Humans think and extrapolate based on known patterns and experiences.
Nobody knew, nor could they have predicted, the extent of the impact and the ramifications that creating a currency with no PoW to generate more of could bring.
FFS, even transgenderism through chemically modified food is a downstream effect of having money backed by āfaithā in the system
Everyone and cousins (nations, corps, smes, individuals) have financed themselves for decades with debt.
Implication?
Current wealth was already used long ago. We owe the liabilities now.
Financing a State with debt should be explicitly prohibited in the Constitution. Even in states of emergency.
No taxes? No money for schools, pensions, social security, or wars.
Societies should come back down to earth.
When did we lose rational thinking?!
The effects were very well known
Thatās just impossible. It would mean our dear central planners are omniscient
Maybe they anticipated first-order, short-term effects to some extent.
I donāt grant them anything further than that.
I'm not saying that it's predictable to the smallest detail. Just in general - the further away from truth you get the worse are the consequences
Iām more successful than even very successful boomers. This isnāt coming from a place of victim hood but a place of truth.
I still donāt see your point. How have we been betrayed, other than through overconsumption of existing resources, facilitated through ever expanding debt?
And which of their actions 40 years ago would you have done then differently?
Because my thesis is that thereās no malice (in general). Everyone tries to play the game with the cards theyāre being dealt to their own advantage.
And in that regard we are no different than boomers
This generational tribalism is stupid. If you think Boomers messed things up, wait until Millennials are old and fingers get pointed at them for messing up the family, gender roles, ethnic replacement of Europeans, or creating a population crash by aborting babies it's like a common cold. It's not like Millennials aren't central to major societal problems.
The true perpetrators are not the generations, but groups across generations.
We see this in the Christian congregation. Itās not youthful rebellion. Now the older generation resents and neglects with apathy the younger.
As a Gen-X I look at both and just role my eyes when they start playing the victim card. I detest participating in this Victim Olympics.
If they really want to compete then they have to go stand in line after the 'The Lost Generation', 'The Silent Generation' and the 'The G.I. Generation'.
Boomers fucked the world raw. Millennials are left with the consequencesā¦
Exactly. This isnāt just the usual generational gap, itās a betrayal. Boomers built systems that left millennials struggling with housing, debt, and opportunity. Recognizing that reality is the first step to real change.
Kinda broad net there nostr:npub1rtlqca8r6auyaw5n5h3l5422dm4sry5dzfee4696fqe8s6qgudks7djtfs
āTo say its overt, I think is a mistake.
Btw, Im gen X we also had it easy compared to my millennial sons. Its almost impossible for my kids to accomplish the things Iāve done with relative ease.
I asked grok to write most of this and include citations because I couldnāt remember the exact details:
āThere was a The psychology study conducted by UC Berkeley where
people played a 15-minute game of Monopoly that was deliberately rigged in favor of one player (coin flip).
The "rich" player started with more money ($2,000 vs. $1,000), collected double the salary when passing Go ($200 vs. $100), and rolled two dice instead of one, giving them a massive advantage.
Despite knowing the game was unfair from the start, the advantaged players quickly began displaying signs of entitlement and dominance. They moved their pieces more loudly, gloated about their progress, consumed more of the shared pretzels provided as a snack, and generally acted more rudely toward their opponent. At the end of the game, when asked to explain their victory, these players often attributed it to their own skill, strategy, or merit rather than the rigged rulesāessentially rationalizing that they "deserved" to win. This behavior illustrated how even temporary experiences of privilege can lead to reduced empathy, increased self-focus, and a tendency to look down on those at a disadvantage, as if the losers were inherently inferior or less capable.
The study wasn't about explicitly helping a group "cheat" per se, but rather about how unearned advantages foster entitlement and disdain for others. It has been widely discussed in contexts like Piff's TED Talk ("Does money make you mean?") and research on wealth inequality's psychological effects.
Hereās the 15 min Ted Talk citation I hadnāt seen before I found interesting. š§”šš»āļø
Watch out Telluride š„¶ Be careful placing yourself more on the boomer side of this outcomeā¦ Some of us have MASSIVE hatred for boomers ššš“āā ļø
Oh Iām hardly on a side.
I totally agree with HODL, I just donāt agree boomers do (or did) anything overt. Politicians DEFINITELY but to say old people betrayed their children is hyperbolic.
Naw Iām firmly on the fuck boomers train hereās whyā¦ Instead of maning up and dealing with issues in their day to provide a better world for their children LIKE ALL OTHER GENERATIONS BEFORE THEM!! They decided to simply change the channel and watch MASH on repeat for 60 years!! They KNEW this that and others was not good and even bitched about it but MEVER did they shoot a mother fucker like our forefathers CLEARLY outlined as OK to do!! Now we have Jews printing out money we have niggers demanding reparation we have Mexicans issuing IDs to illegals and we have their grandchildren and great grandchildren believing men can have babies!! Itās 100% their fault cuz they didnāt MURDER anyone!! Clinton shoulda been burned alive in time square Nixon and 5 generations of his family shoulda been tortured and let heal repeatedly for past 80 years!! Doing NOTHING is in fact a CHOICE!! By doing NOTHING when the nigger robs a lady says you are OK with what you just seen!! So yeahā¦ I very much BLAME ALL BOOMERS!! š¤¬š¤¬
I donāt disagree.
Just want to add some context.
People born in the late 40ās had it easy.
They are the āWeak men make hard timesā folks.
You are in the āhard times make strong menā time.
Its a cycle.
Like I said, Iām not taking sides.
āIām a history buff and understanding how humanity behaves is helpful to stop repeating it.
All Iām sayin.
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I'm not sure I'd quite say this. Boomers didn't close the gold window. Boomers didn't create the Bretton Woods agreement. Boomers were the beneficiaries of this wave, getting to surf on it, even as it crashed on the heads of many of Gen X, millenials, and dashed zoomers against the rocks. But they didn't create it. They just happened to buy real assets when the hard asset backing their money was still in place, and then rode the value of their real assets up even while enjoying the fruits of the labor of those who worked for fiat. They were working for fiat too, but its effect was muted, given that they had their surfboards -- as the water rose, so to did they, even if they caught a bit of the spray off it.
Now, could they have realized what was happening and been more helpful? Sure. Some have. But that most didn't isn't something I'd hold against the generation, any more than that I'd blame Gen X for the plight of Zoomers (even though X had cars in high school and college for $20,000 a year and will probably even see their social security).
There is a way in which Boomers really have betrayed those who cam later though, perhaps, which we can see in politics and in the boards of some businesses. Previous generations rose to power, and then set to grooming their replacements for an orderly succession. Boomers, on the other hand, we are seeing at every level of power in society, including two octogenarian presidents in a row, to say nothing of Mitch and Nancy in the House. I do think this is probably also tied to the money, (how can we pass along power to a generation that never even learned to have a house and kids by the age of 25 -- they never grew up?), but some of it is also tied to generational values or the lack thereof as exemplified by the hippie ethos.
Not sure if I'm agreeing or disagreeing ultimately here -- just pointing out that it's not all black and white. We'd all do well to spend more time recognizing the patterns and finding ways to fix them, rather than assigning blame. Except when it comes to London -- we should never forget that most things are their fault, and have been since at least 1689 (when the "Glorious" Revolution ended) and 5 years later, when the Bank of England was founded. Prior to that, blame the Dutch :-).
From the inside this framing seems accurate, but the reality is all generations were betrayed by whichever generation was alive in 1913 when the Fed was created, starting with Woodrow Wilson. Everything else we may have conflict about is downstream from the time the creature from Jekyll island came into existence. Imho
Boomers were in a position to buy real estate and stocks before they mooned. Now thereās a lot of entitled rich dicks in that class.
We were in a position to buy bitcoin before it mooned. I think weāll be fine..
Not before governments filled with boomers and commies are going to have one last try to take it all away from us.
Buying Bitcoin early doesnāt solve living in a country with majority foreigners and a gun under your pillow because boomers needed them to keep the gdp growth scam going to safeguard the pensions.
Whether or not this is true, I think it puts too much locus of control outside of individual millennials choices.
I don't agree with this take. That just adds to the division of society. which is exactly what our elites want to happen.
I am not going to hate my parents because they were propagandized and used by big government
"I am not going to hate my parents because they were propagandized and used by big government," this is a good take and I think a healthier path to take.
There is going to be a really scary day for Boomers in the next 10 years or so when they realize there is no such thing as āmandatory spendingā.
The government of the Boomers formative years betrayed the Millennials. The Boomers benefited from it at our expense, but I doubt the majority of them had any idea what was going on.
True
We don't hate the boomers enough..
Are most boomers even aware of this? Of their privilege and willing to take responsibility. I don't think so. Need some back to read this whole thread so I can get very fucking angry at boomers. Lol
"Whatever i did i didn't do it quote"
Dennis.
Boomers are selfish like almost everyone else in our current society.
They looked to their own advancement as opposed to the advancement of the generations to come.
In the pursuit of progress we are blinded by our own goals and ambitions.
Donāt blame them. Question yourself.
Are you really all that different?
i can see a world with this evolving into
Boomers: "You lazy bastard HAVE TO maintain MY pensions"
Millennials: "You fucked ALL up and want US to care about you?"
