What are your main reasons to have second and third nsecs on Nostr?
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I have another account here only for lion content
So it looks like I have followers.
I losted my first one WondrejBtc Nsec 🤣🤣🤣 Wondering if this account is still findeble
The one and only
Managing brand, community, and pet profiles. Plus throwaways for testing.
Local meetup group, buissness, anime memes.
Saying mean things so I don't get muted
Talking to myself
Porque os devs ainda não fizeram as subkeys... 🤷♂️
Pq não é consenso ainda.
Então, até lá vamos criando outras nsecs...
Em todo lugar que as pessoas podem criar perfis, elas terão múltiplos perfis. Seja porque gostam, porque precisam, por segurança ou para ter um descartável.
Acho subkeys inevitáveis e até facilitaria surgimento de Organizações descentralizadas.
O que seria isso?
A possibilidade de você gerar outras chaves privadas a partir da chave privada principal (secret key ou nsec). Você utilizaria para assinar os eventos da mesma forma.
Sua npub é uma chave derivada da nsec mas você não utiliza para assinar os eventos e sim para outras pessoas reconhecerem que a assinatura é da sua nsec.
Semelhante ao Bitcoin, no bitcoin você também consegue gerar outras chaves a partir da chave mestra.
É legal, só não entendi a utilidade.
É só fazer analogia. Acho que fica mais fácil.
Se pensar que nsec for um perfil facebook: as vezes é melhor criar páginas (subkeys) do que criar outros perfis (nsec).
Se pensar que nsec for uma empresa: as vezes o que você quer é só criar subsidiárias (subkeys) do que criar outras empresas (nsec).
Hoje, se você quer criar uma Organização/Estrutura com 4 agentes autônomos usando nostr. Você tem que criar 5 chaves e com a principal assinar um evento dando autoridade e definindo as competências de cada um das outras 4 chaves. Com as subkeys você só precisaria derivá-las.
Interessante
I have one extra that I’ll use if I’m unsure about the Client.
The second one is for my vibe coding project.
To follow someone and pretend they have multiple friends, while in reality is just the same person and I'm not even their friend
support account, testing accounts, or opentimestamped future vanity accounts for if my nsec is p0wned
- various automated processes / bots
- categorical/topic based posting
- separate identity / nym posting
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Dedicated npubs for things like Uptime Kuma and several different nyms for different use cases. Interacting with developers , regional bitcoin communities etc. Also handy to test new Nostr apps who don’t support nsec bunkers etc
La principal, guardar bien la nsec , usar otra cuenta para ir probando distintos clientes y en el caso de ser comprometida esa nsec al menos es una cuenta secundaria
There's reasons! That's it, there's reasons. Don't ask don't tell. When will Amethyst support bip39 see phrase?
dezh npub. jellyfish npub. and mine.
nostr:nprofile1qqsyvrp9u6p0mfur9dfdru3d853tx9mdjuhkphxuxgfwmryja7zsvhqpzamhxue69uhhv6t5daezumn0wd68yvfwvdhk6tcpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctcscpyug can i have a telegram or simplex contact with you?
I don't use either :( Signal?
Otherwise Nostr DMs work
yes i have a signal account too. 👀
https://signal.me/#eu/_7uKNtCu7dgjIOkH06EWoEMUaLP9Kop0GVK5lr8CbEKV3i2ydyJBBLlYrw6LTzMD
i think it should work. :thinking:
For the most part i have just this one. I do not fear losing it, bootstrapping myself wont be hard, i am in contact with various nostriches in different ways; no need for complicated systems.
I may or may not be in controll of this one, who knows.
nostr:nprofile1qqswp3tuxjc8gsvczzl5j0g3v7z8hzh30n9z6r9wfcn0wk69qwrzxfqpzpmhxue69uhkummnw3ezumt0d5hszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7qgawaehxw309ahx7um5wghxy6t5vdhkjmn9wgh8xmmrd9skctc2mdxh7
separating political, personal, and creative posts
testing nip-07
Businesses
Personal and a monthly art challenge
What is the art challenge?
Every month I post a new art challenge to the nostr:npub1wdpfy4xgam85u9wxpuau24qrddpwqk53gexvnnnmguyqqtvspjeqvc0p5m account and website: https://www.nostrartstr.com - you’re welcome to join in as much or little as you wish. There’s a hashtag so folks can find others who participate.
The challenge for May will be up on May 1st. Any kind of art counts: painting, photography, music, dance, gardening, code, etc.
Thanks for asking!
Learn🤖
Autism
Testes, tbm já pensei em segregar por conteúdo postado, mas não creio ser necessário no momento pra mim
As a way to distribute notes among several keys instead of relying on one central key. For journalists it could work a key for each genre
lol dont even know what to post most of the time let alone have another nsec
Multiple personalities
Very simple: one for bitcoin content and one for usual news, etc. I want separate threads. If Amethyst would allow me to do this without 2 nsecs then I would use one.
Multiple types of threads and/or personalities.
testing accounts 👀
You have one character for every aspect of your life. Family, work, friends, studies, father/mother of, bitcoiner, influencer... Each one is a potential nsec
Separate biz and personal
I don't have it myself but I could see some people have separate personal and anon accounts or business accounts
to havê as much profiles as lifes' you want to share. For example: professionals nsec and personal nsec.
To separate business, personal, and projects
Let's be real, because #nostr is still early and many features are still very buggy, I discovered recently that dm from yakihonne are not seen by other app like primal, but that's just an example
That's not a bug it's a developer decision. Apps don't need to support all nips.
A DM from one app to another app is not seen as a bug if not working ? Any rational person would see this as insane. If there is a reason for this … that reasoning is flawed. I get your logic about features but this is a DM to a DM. How can nostr ever bring in a wider audience if this is a thing.
Download a chat client like 0xchat. Other clients don't need to support DMs
Again. This is why nostr never achieves meaningful adoption. We’re not talking some esoteric piece of functionality. It’s a DM.
But why are you requiring clients to have DMs? It's like requiring them to support tweets. It doesn't make any sense. Most clients will never support DMs.. regardless of nostr or not.
Nobody is requiring. I’m just contesting your crazy viewpoint that it’s a weird need or want to have. For anyone who is a normal person using nostr the idea that a different app is needed for what is for most people core functionality is madness.
I am not saying it's weird. It's just what it is. DMs are not core functionality. It will never be. Just like many nostr apps don't have notifications. They are not core functionality.
DMs are only core to chat clients. Twitter clients don't need it at all. In fact, most people using Twitter clients don't even expect to have a chat feature.
Notifications are core functionality
Most apps don't have notifications. Most people don't even want notifications in all apps.
Twitter clone without notifications is kinda worthless
It's not really. Most people disable notifications on all apps, even when they offer it.
You’re insane. As in genuinely you have no idea about how normal people use apps. This one statement is utter madness. Notification for any social app is a must have feature.
That wouldn't be correct even if you conflated notifications with push notifications, which you do seem to be doing
No, most people don't write anything. They never post, never reply. For them, there is never anything useful in notifications. Very few users are writers and replies. The vast majority is passive.
Amazing. Let’s continue developing for people who don’t interact. I hear rss needs some competiton.
You are too attached to Twitter like clients that have to turn everyone into a writer in order to sell more ads. There will be apps designed for writers and apps designed for readers only. And both apps will develop to their own user base.
Most of the "other stuff" on Nostr is fully passive. You have to build for readers and some good features for writers. 95% of the content consumption is passive, even on apps like Instagram, TikTok or YouTube.
Facebook has 3 billion monthly active users and the vast majority of those post and reply
Your numbers aren't right
No. 3b monthly active doesnt mean they are writing posts. An active user is everyone that opens the app and just browses.
But the majority of them are not people who open the app and just browse
Your view of people's social media usage is incorrect
I can see the same usage pattern on Amethyst. It's everywhere.
I even got multiple people asking me to delete the + button from the home screen feed.
Lots of people don't have anything to say.
Amethyst does not have the same usage pattern as Facebook
The goal is to make Facebook and Amethyst trade places, not to keep all user activity in Zuck's walled garden
"Multiple people" doesn't mean the majority of 8 billion on earth
How long have you explored the data on this?
You trying to ad hominem me?
This isn't about data, anyone in a country where Facebook is dominant should have enough anecdotal evidence to be sure the vast majority of Facebook users post and reply
I am trying to understand where your knowledge on this is coming from. Data is available for these things. Did you review the data or just taking about your personal experience?
You are one of the top 0.01 keys by activity on nostr. People like you are EXTREMELY rare.
I don't believe there is good data available but I was a Facebook user until I got banned and I don't remember knowing anyone out of my hundreds of Facebook friends who didn't ever post or reply to anything
I remember years ago when Aaron Swartz was still around, some reddit admin posted statistics saying only like 10% of people did anything other than scroll and read, but Aaron Swartz era reddit also isn't facebook
There are 1000s of papers on this matter with huge datasets, including from Facebook. 5 years ago, even I had private access to one of them. You could see similar patterns that I am describing over there as well. That's where my info comes from. A mix between the papers, the data I had access and my experience with Amethyst for the past 3 years.
I don't understand how you don't have anecdotal evidence that beats any data
If Facebook says the majority of its users have never posted or replied to anything, I know based on the time I spent on Facebook with my classmates and other locals that Facebook would either be lying or misreading their own data (taking bots as humans? idk)
But I do have anecdotal evidence as well. I am the main customer support channel for Amethyst. I end up talking to a lot of people. The passivity is quite visible with many users.
They don't want to post. It's a whole different mindset. They are here to learn and observe. Not to post. It's actually very interesting and the main reason why so many of Amethyst's features are dedicated to readers instead of writers.
As I said, the goal should be to have Amethyst trade places with Facebook
You shouldn't want nostr to be the place so empty even the average nostr user has never posted here
But that is the goal. And if we are going to replace it, we will have to make it good for readers most of the time.
Forcing people to post is not good. They decide when they are ready to post. We can guide them there, but part of being the "freedom platform" is to allow users to be whoever they want to be. Otherwise, they will end up hating us in the same way they hate Facebook.
So you developing faster horse drawn carriage’s ? Giving people what they think they want now , not what nostr needs ? Who’re these people learning from ? People who post ?
Nobody is developing what nostr needs. Ever.
We develop what users want. Nostr is just the current combination of those features.
What are you gonna do if someone actually starts developing what nostr needs 🦇
Let them develop? I don't know what you want me to do with them...
I just hope you're prepared 🗽
I will always be on the side of users. If majority wants it, I will develop. Other people are happy to develop whatever they think is good for nostr. Just don't complain when they don't have any users.
Readers need nostr to have notifications so the people who fill threads with replies can find the threads and reply
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Imagine not knowing about this
And never receiving answers from people you text.
I never said yakihonne was bad
It is actually quite advanced
That's is going to be true for all nostr apps. You will never know if your friend are seeing you replies, zaps or DMs until you receive a reply back.
It's like not knowing your friend is not using Instagram anymore even though the account is still there. The app might not even be installed in his phone anymore.
We could have a "seen" mark, but that will allow anyone to track everybody.
nostr:npub1yzvxlwp7wawed5vgefwfmugvumtp8c8t0etk3g8sky4n0ndvyxesnxrf8q is a SHIT ! I can’t reply anyone, I can’t send zaps to anyone ,and others things I tried to do didn’t work in this FUCKING client Nostr app; WTF ! 🔪💀🔥🤡
We support both legacy nip-04 dms and the newest nip-44 Secured DMs. If the dms are not seen means the other client is not supporting 🙏
Cause I have several identities in real life, also
It's the only way I could figure out how to sort my follows into categories. There are people that I want to see everything from and there are people whose notes are nice, but if their note is more than a couple hours old, I am never going to scroll back far enought to see it.