the fact that the trump admin is trying to make it seem that carrying a handgun with a red dot and extra mags makes you a domestic terrorist is proof that armed and well trained individuals are an incredibly strong deterrent against government tyranny
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Or maybe republicans are just hypocrites.
everyone is a hypocrite
some realize their own hypocrisy and try to mitigate
most do not
normalizing hypocrisy is a bad thing.
it's everyone's responsibility to examine themselves and strive to live their lives in an intellectually and ethically consistent way.
When the cost of the violence is cheaper than the cost of the objective—they will come at you
yes
really sad cause we pick our government
Right, it bothers me alot that they are trying to turn that into a thing. Being armed is a natural right that no government should be able to take away. Republicans saying well you shouldn’t be armed when you go to a protest is ridiculous. If a Democrat was in office and this happened to a Republican protester they would be up in arms. I can’t stand hypocrisy.
When the draft dodger in charge protects pedos, there's nothing good to expect.
[redacted] at them Odell (I’m kidding, don’t)
Blame the leftist agitators
The Admin realized that our freedom threatens their goals.
We are realizing that their goals threaten our freedom.
On the other hand does this make 2a more palatable for the left?
I hope so
I live in a very far left bubble of a city so maybe i can offer some anecdotal perspective. Moved here from a much more right leaning area where i grew up so ive seen a lot of the spectrum.
The left is generally more accepting of 2a IRL than the media would lead you to believe. That said, I have noticed a recent increase in leftists flexing their hardware more publicly
To clarify, j have heard these leftist argue in favor of the government services buffet, pretty relentlessly, but never once have i heard one publicly advocate for repealing 2a . The closest I have ever heard was the "common sense gun laws" take, in favor of restricting certain types of weapons.
But was the restrictions ridiculous like no "assault rifles" or no magazines over 6 bullets?
I've definitely had both stated to me
Yeah where i live is a far smaller and more rural area than NYC. I have a theory that these opinions increase with population density, and the population density is nowhere near as high where I am.
Im not gonna lie, I kinda tune out when I start to hear those arguments, common sense is an insanely arbitrary term, and i dont usually ask people to elaborate at that point.
The fact that your government kill you like cattle is the proof carry guns is useless
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In recent history, has any ordinary citizen used a gun to kill someone in a position of power (excluding Luigi Mangione)?
Most news coming out of the US, recent or not, seems to involve police killing citizens: he had a gun so we shot first.
Probably from a country across the pond that cucked years ago. 2A is the battle. It and 1A go hand in hand.
Yes, the Second Amendment is there for a good reason.
#guns #gunstr #freedom #trump #politics
Being a deterrent to tyranny is good. Being a commie scum bag attempting to expand tyranny is not.
Notice how the local police and national guard are herding these faggots like cattle now?
https://video.nostr.build/fcdb1d75ff0ac78a8e1381aa457f14a057e540367b0a8fb83d9165f7e719b107.mp4
Being "Disney-brained" does not grant ICE and Trump unchecked authority.
"Resisting the will of the American people" does not grant ICE and Trump unchecked authority.
Yes the problem is highly manufactured.
No federal agents should not have the authority to disarm and murder people for interfering with immigration business.
Are you American?
Can you make your point without asking people to DOX their nationality? What business is it of yours where I am from?
Ok so that's a no. I literally couldn't care less about your opinion of my country. You can feel free to shut the fuck up now.
America: The Great Mystery of How We Got Here
Defending free speech only for those who agree with us isn’t actually defending free speech.
Yawn @ Jew speak
Free speech was only ever intended for white people. Really. Go look it up.
I don’t even know where to begin to express my astonishment that some people still think fundamental rights should differ based on skin color.
Nothing could ever justify that.
Okay but that's what the founding fathers believed.
First, it’s all a matter of interpretation, and personally, I don’t believe in any of it. Besides, that doesn’t change the fact that some of ICE’s actions are illegal under U.S. law and the Constitution.
We stand with President Trump, the military & ice.
The illegals have to go as they are criminals
The two protesters recently executed by ICE were American citizens. Illegal immigrants are just a pretext.
That's what happens when you interfere with law enforcement. Those American citizens should stop protecting criminals.
We stand with ICE.
OK so just to be clear: "Interfere" = exercise 1st amendment rights to protest and film police, while exercising 2nd amendment right to carry a weapon?
You're not an American citizen and your country is a vast majority white. Your opinion on any of this couldn't matter less.
lol what a cuck. Suck off the state some more, I’m sure it will help
It seems to me Americans lost a tremendous amount of freedoms since the establishment of the Constitution, despite having an armed population
sure but you cannot assess it in a vacuum
compare to the uk and its obvious which is more free
I believe UK is on par with China as far as freedom of speech goes.
Wouldn’t that make the narrative “we need guns to loose our freedoms more slowly“ ?
Plenty of non-armed countries are freer than the US
It's great you guys have that right and certainly helps, but govt is not afraid of your guns - only of public opinion like anywhere else.
USA should be the freest country in the world, unfortunately far from that
which country is more free
No one’s been killed by the Old Bill on a protest here for well over 10 years… the trade off is you can’t say Willy on the Internet. Trade offs.
In most freedom indices the US ranks below ~15th in terms of human and economic freedom but then the discussion gets very, very nuanced depending on what freedom means to you. Maybe those indices are corrupted? I don't know.
There are also low-key smaller countries where there are more "de facto" freedoms than appear on paper.
I'm interested in what economic freedom means. I drink raw milk, can get fresh eggs, fresh pot and mushrooms, unregistered guns, clean shine... About the only thing I can't get that I want are those sick little Jap trucks.
I want them trucks too, RIP diesel #fuckCAFE
Lol i think it means something else. I can get all of that here too, and I don't exactly live in freedom paradise
I asked ai, and it said zoning and licensing, which is dependent on county and state, then basically a bunch of tax stuff, and minimum wage and union stuff.
So I'm still lost lol
😆 Imagine mandated minimum wage being enforced with the threat of force, and access to unions that use their sheild as a bludgeon being the markers of “freedom.”
I mean yeah minimum wage and union stuff is gay but minimum wage is like $7, is anyone really asking for less than that to pick straw berries?
Like I definitely make less than that farming lol but thats my own business
Right, that’s the point. It looks like a tiny pebble in an ocean, but it’s merely one symptom of the problem as a whole.
You do make less than that. That means that if you were a business, your employee would be yielding less than that from your labor.
Yet, if your farm was an S-Corp, and attempted to pay yourself (as the employee) the $6.99 you’re worth, then they would say it was tax fraud and unfair compensation.
Sure taxation is theft, but you should be able to pay yourself whatever garbage wage you want. Then, after paying yourself that garbage wage, you should pay taxes at a lower rate because you’re not worth as much.
Anything else is artificial inflation, which isn’t free. The further you get from anarcho-capitalism, the further you get from just simply letting the market decide completely on its own, the closer you are to UBI and full on socialism.
I get your point, but maybe it just doesn't make sense to me bc all of these freedom indexes are subjective anyway, but they are presented as an objective list.
They should publish all the raw data and just let me weight what matters to me more or less.
Also, on the minimum wage thing, the federal minimum wage doesn't matter to me because my states minimum wage is higher
Oh ok, that makes sense in context.
I just look at granular things and take them to the extreme. I guess all that was me trying to say “The extreme of minimum wage isn’t freedom, it is totalitarian facism.” (Not in the cheap antifa definition of facism, but the classical definition: federalized corporatism).. the same or less free for the average worker, but way less free for a private business owner.
Both the worker and the ceo are people, so it’s a net loss for the worker to be the same free and the owner to be less free. But ya, it’s a dumb metric for freedom lol
"Bunch of taxes and regulations" yeah that applies to a lot of jurisdictions...
I'm not saying USA is bad, just that it's not the "land of the free". Or why doesn't it rank number 1 everywhere then?
It is the only country in the world that will chase you globally to pay taxes even when you don't reside there, and if you try to renounce your citizenship the exit tax will fuck you over.
I would say it is the land of opportunity, it's a great place to build a business mostly because of the huge market and infrastructure.
Fair enough.
I wonder how it would stack up for folks exiting the system entirely tho.
Like if you make all your money in KYC free Bitcoin or monero or whatever, which country is easiest to thrive in.
Seems to me that "first world" countries make this more difficult, percentage of the population being compliant is very high
Disappoints me all the time when I see a bitcoiner on nostr who falls for the same narrative.
In communism they call this a “provocateur”.
"When the people fear the government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty"
They never said that.
They said if you bring a gun to a protest with the intention of obstructing ICE from doing their job, that is illegal and if you fight with ICE then it can be categorized as domestic terrorism
Don’t conflate facts with social media memes.
And? Where did he say you are a domestic terrorist if you carry a handgun with a red dot and extra mag?
the first sentence is irrelevant otherwise
and his henchmen were even more explicit
Be honest, Why do you bring a gun to a ICE protest to begin with? Are you expecting gun fire from leftists? NO. Are you expecting gun fire from ICE? NO, unless you break the law and obstruct them and fight them. All he is saying is you cannot break the law and incite violence. And if you do, that’s the definition of domestic terrorism.
What do you want? A mob to stop the any enforcements they don’t like?
Oh hi, this is tyranny here, I believe you were expecting me…
Is that a p320? My eye isn’t sharp enough.
yup
malfunctions aside its an incredibly common handgun
the ice agents were probably carrying them as well
That IS an sig p320! CASE CLOSED ACCIDENTAL DISCHARGE. lol
Facts are, we have multiple videos, from multiple angles, from prior to and after murder…with audio.
The angry nurse kept pulling in his elbow and knees. He wouldn't just lay down and comply with detainment.
Then they discovered his (first?) weapon and they took it away from him.
But then he was still trying to hold himself up like a four legged table, pulling hard to keep his elbows in and his knees folded.
It was reasonable for law enforcement to anticipate his continued resistance was to not give up his prerogative to draw out a 2nd weapon.
I don’t think so. They’re fine with armed protesters as long as they are protesting against the left.
His 2nd amendment right was upheld right up until the guy started interfering with law enforcement.
—After that, his reaction was suicidal imo.
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What exactly constitutes "interference"? Filming the cops (1st amendment protected activity)? Carry a weapon (2nd amendment protected activity)?
pretty sure you mute me anyway so question for the audience.
Law enforcement. The violence arm of the state. Not an honorable people.
No idea what your point is.
Im just pointing out, that open carry is a thing he every right to do.
Then he started acting in a way that got himself shot.
Kyle Rittenhouse is also in agreement with the protesters
Fair point.
BTW Kyle Rittenhouse is also in agreement with the protesters
The amount of victim blaming and boot licking in here is disturbing and hilarious at the same time.
“Just obey command, bro!” And also “Don’t tread on me, bro!”
In our revered Declaration of Independence, written by thee great Thomas Jefferson, he refers to those, alien to our country, as "merciless Indian savages".
I agree; don't tread on me. But the formation of our states was our assertion we have our own people with our own heritage, culture, and way of life.
When drafting the Constitution, we drafted a contract that we will allow a Federal govt to exist in addition to the sovereign states (they called it general govt back then), if they perform their contracted duties which includes casting out the invaders and insurgents.
That's not boot licking. That's the (Constitutional) contract all states knowingly, voluntarily, intentionally entered into.
Did you just skip over Native American genocide and then use “merciless Indian savages”?
You know what they used to call Native Americans…savages.
Thomas Jefferson had slaves you fucking idiot. Do kids not read books these days???
After my workout. I down a protein shake, grab my cool AR, stand in front of the mirror snd scream “Come and take them!”
Then I hop on #nostr to tell everybody that the guy protesting tyranny deserved it because he didn’t follow orders AND he brought a gun…what an idiot.
This. This is what you dumb chuckle fucks sound like.
just stay humble and stack corpses
The usual thing: contradicting the other side to provoke conflict instead of finding solutions to the problems they themselves have created, trying to impose their worldview through monopolized violence... screw them all, we are better than this shit
#grownostr #freedom
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Remember, this guy died protecting major corporations ability to lower your wages through mass illegal immigration.
No corporation ever started exporting production to other countries for cheaper labor. Critical thinking not your thing?
Are you retarded? Does your parents know you’re on the internet?
Probably not, I’m old enough to be your daddy…I might be actually. Who’s your mom?
Doubt it kiddo.
Just tell me your mom’s name and we can clear this up. I don’t want to do a blood test but I guess I can.
Yep. You’re probably 14 and parents aren’t home yet.
I get it, son…can I call you son? Too soon? I know this is difficult, I wasn’t there for you when you were going through puberty trying to find yourself. Which made you susceptible to Nazi propaganda. I’m here now and want you to read more books.
What a stupid take.
got a point
#immunity 
America used to only have a Sheriff. His job is to help manage those of us that are "domiciled" Citizens of our Union state. Not "residents".
After the 14th Amendment created a 2nd citizenship...a Federal citizenship, better known by its euphemism "a US citizen", then POLICy Enforcement (POLICE) was introduced to manage "that" citizenship group.
USA Citizens are still protected by the Constitution.
SCOTUS ruled that U.S. citizens "may" be extended the same Bill of Rights, but that's on a case by case basis. It's not the same guarantee the Constitution gives its Union state Citizens.
what if citizenship is revoked - who protects?
Only Federal citizenship can be taken away. You aren't born into it. You "naturalize" yourself into it when you sign under perjury that you identify as a US citizen.
You are born into Union state Citizenship, and nobody can take that away (lawfully).
By the way, whereas Union state Citizens have the 9th Amendment of innumerable Rights beyond the pursuit of happiness, Federal citizens have obligations...like paying the income tax, for example.
Someone would only want to have their optional Federal citizenship revoked. But Union state Citizenship is all benefits without the innumerable statutory obligations.
Honestly at this point they are pathing the way to disarm US citizens. 🥲
A US citizen is a Federal citizen.
A Federal citizen is a 14th Amendment citizen.
In the hallmark court case of what's come to be known as the Slaughterhouse Trials, the presiding Chief Justice ruled 14th Amendment citizens are NOT guaranteed the Constitution's Bill of Rights. That's only for Citizens among the 50 states. Look it up!
In case you got lost, remember how this started. A US citizen is NOT a Citizen to any of the Union states. A U.S. citizen is "domiciled" in the District of Columbia, regardless of which state they are "residing" in.
Yes; America has two citizenships. Union state vs Federal. And if you don't know which you are, the govt presumes you are a Federal citizen.
Which is why tyrants (democrats) are always, by far, the #1 promoter of gun restrictions.
Bro open your eyes
Even "well trained" might be optional - just look at some of the shovelheads the Taliban employed against a modern military occupying force and they still got their land back 😅
The issue isn’t guns—it’s armed, organized obstruction of law enforcement during operations targeting violent criminals. When officers are being blocked, threatened, or attacked, context matters. Expecting a perfect response in that environment isn’t realistic.
Justifying innocent American murder…
No one’s saying it’s justified. It’s collateral damage in a high-risk operation targeting illegal aliens amid nonstop interference…
“Expecting a perfect response (aka not killing innocent Americans) isn’t realistic”
Dude cmon.
Trump is saying it’s his fault for practicing the 2nd amendment.
The Republican Party is realizing the need for an armed population that they were so worried about all along.
Having 5 dudes hold you down while they disarm you and then shoot you in the back after your weapon is gone is not an "imperfect response."
I'm out the loop, sounds like Kyle Rittenhouse.
4 doors more whores anyone?
red dot?
Not a good idea to physically touch a law enforcement officer in any situation… it’s not going to end well for you… he should have never put himself in the situation he did knowing he was carrying. He made a grave error and paid the ultimate price. It’s the responsibility you take on when you carry. No one’s fault but his. I am 110% pro 2nd amendment… you make the big boy decision to carry you will own the consequences.
100 percent!
You’re not from America are you?
Pretti should have read about Mr Cliven Bundy and how to take a stand. Benjamin Franklin understood that it took a Posse "We must all hang together, or assuredly we shall all hang separately."