Bluesky in shambles
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Who could have seen this coming?
He’s not wrong. The current culture on Bluesky is its biggest hurdle.
Similar story here, different angle.
What's wrong with the culture on Nostr?
The Bitcoin stuff?
A lot of people don't like extremists and large echo chambers. We're different, but we're similar in that regard.
We're also more polite.
I'd agree there absolutely, but this is also us:
BITCOIN GOOD
NOSTR GOOD
FREEDOM GOOD
MEAT GOOD
HOMESTEAD GOOD
GUNS GOOD
FREEEEDOOOOOOM
WILLIAM WALLACE SCREAM
Etc
I love all of these things and all of these people, but we need to work on expanding our conversations a bit 🤣
Pre CIA takeover Phil Collins good!
Wait a minute. Phil Collins is bad? I'm gonna need some links.
Pretty sure the CIA started work on him around 1983. By 87 he was fully captured, more evil than anything MK Ultra did.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=SidxJz94Svs&pp=ygUXcGhpbCBjb2xsaW5zIHR3byBoZWFydHM%3D
On that note, add Weird good to the list.
I try Derek!
Inflation not good
How's about discussing superyachts?
This boat cost $150M to build, costs $15M a year to run and rents out for $1M per week.
Should Bitcoiners get into the superyacht industry?
https://www.superyachtfan.com/yacht/project-x/
https://www.yachtcharterfleet.com/luxury-charter-yacht-24961/project-x.htm
All those things are good though.
Listen man, Bluesky freakshows are free to spin up an npub and provide counter arguments alot fucking easier than if somebody on Nostr went over to Bluesky to do similar, that's the difference.
Sure. I would suspect that would be the outcome too. All I'm saying is to recognize that they have one culture and we have another. The two obviously class.
The only thing you’d run into on Bluesky is getting blocked by idiots, unless your goal is to be as aggressively offensive as possible. In that case you might get banned from the Bluesky PDS, but are welcome to spin up your own and rejoin the network, because that’s how it works.
Nay, nay I say, nay! It is they, they! They who must learn to re orient conversational focii toward relevance!
Meaty, full throated relevance!!
I stake claim here, proving work where work should be proven and elsewise suchly as it were, to wit!
And so be it as such!!
This message Bitfinity Ostrich Approved
We can go back to arguing about cast iron vs stainless
This is honestly how we win. I don't know why we stopped.
CAST IRON GOOD.
This is why I stay 🤣
Agree.
Nostr is so much less toxic than FB Instagram Twitter YouTube tiktok etc.
Xioahungshu is the only other social media I can think of where people are generally polite and respectful like they are on nostr.
Mostly, yeah.
Most people have never heard of nostr, but those who have already think of it as a bitcoiner social network, with whatever stigma that comes with.
When we actually manage to get new users, they realize pretty quickly that Bitcoin (or nostr) content makes up a majority of what actually gets engagement.
I think this is more of a filter than a hurdle.
This is what keeps Nostr focused on the right things.
I think the filter might need replacing.
1. 10k+ daily active users is an achievement for a protocol that is basically just a Twitter clone with a decentralized tinge to it.
We can't even post gifs straight from the keyboard yet.
2. This is only 6months of data which can be noisy.
3. Daily actives are the noisiest of data here; it's weekly actives that make more sense to look at it & that is >40k trusted pub keys.
4. If you care about decentralized social media that chances that youre also interested in Bitcoin is super high.
5. People don't care about decentralization & censorship resistance for the most part; for now.
6. Bitcoiners will grow in number, Nostr will grow in numbers - neither pattern has been or will be linear.
There are a lot of trump tards on here and other bootlickers who are trying to conflate Bitcoin with Trump etc.
Apart from those people I reckon the culture on nostr is a lot healthier than any other social media
Trump dick riders gone silent for good reason.
I would say every social setting will have its pros and cons. One recent con of Nostr I experienced - homophobic hate speech.
… some other general cons - people talking about tech/finance/politics sounding like they have superiority complexes and just loving to use labels on people. While using all the good labels for themselves and their followers of course!
I never understood the concept of hatespeech, what is it?
hate speech is basically abusive (violent) language, but not within an interpersonal relationship with one person. It’s directed to a group of people based on what you perceive their group identity to be.
It’s related to verbal abuse. Verbal abuse would be someone just targeting one individual though.
Fair assessment.
Indeed. Nostr has a long way to go in terms of contrasting of ideas and volume.
Shouldn't say nazi fascist on bLuEsKy it's naughty words
I'm a fan of how the architecture scales, and the indie-dev community is doing some cool stuff, but I'm slowly starting to suspect that Jack Dorsey may have been right all along.
The architecture doesn't scale better than ActivityPub unless you are fine with centralisation... for usecase that doesn't tolerate centralisation and opt for small worlds instead, message passing is just as good and more likely to survive long term.
If anything, a mix between message passing and Nostr relays make more sense and is more reliable and scalable.
The problem with Nostr is that it didn't get the datastore layer and message passing right from the get go, and the bet on Websocket and the weird API makes it harder for the Outbox model to be even as good as WebDav.
Agree that small worlds are where it's at these days.
This is unrelated but before you mentioned an idea about urbit names on Bitcoin as an alternative to that new Spaces deal, maybe pointing to Pkarr. Sounded interesting, did you manage to thresh that out? Also Fiatjaf's rationale for a spacechain to keep things in Bitcoin-land without a competing altcoin made some sense to me, but no idea if that angle has been showing progress these days or not.
My idea was simple, basically put your pkarr in an OP_RETURN and use the order of the utxo since genesis block as the ID.
It works, and because it is immutable there is no need to spam Bitcoin to get good names.
But I generally believe we should assume that Bitcoin data will be pruned. And stop pretending that it is a database.
Yes realistically speaking someone will always have an archive of all OP_RETURNs, but there won't be many, and if anything we might be at peak number of archival nodes.
So just from a principal point of view I gave up on this idea.
Spacechain doesn't change this dynamic (I do support spacechains to hopefully extend Bitcoin with smarter opcodes), you can't just pretend that data will be available by lots of people forever... this doesn't scale so any blockchain that doesn't invest in being prune friendly will die, aka be pruned entirely.
Data availability forever for free for many people is just never going to work.
Orgs should keep using ICANN, and fight for it's integrity because seriously it is the best that can happen.
What's message passing?
Yeeting json into the ether.
Message passing is the paradigm of organising your architecture as actors sending messages to each other, as opposed to say a central hub that everyone writes to and reads from.
Email is Message passing for example, whereas Nostr is a shared heap of data.
Message passing doesn't scale because you need to send n^2 messages (each email server will need to send a message for each other email server mentioned in a thread).
Shared heaps scale because instead of the (many to many) that results in an n^2 messages, you have a (many to one to many) so you need 2*n messages (from each client to the relay, and from the relay to each client).
Of course that ignores another important downside of message passing which is lack of global view, which henders statistics and engagement signals etc... but that is another topic, although it also relevant because if `n` is so small, it is cheaper to do this aggregation and counting on client side.
So it all comes down to how much scale do you need, and there is always a threshold after which you are doomed to be centralised because ...costs and incentives don't match any more for more than few services that can monetize somehow.
Thanks Yeah, that's why community #interop is how I see this thing scale.
With centralization happening at the niche community server level.
And the publishers being able to target stuff to multiple communities.
Thoughts and prayers
They are becoming self aware, give them space, this is a big high horse to get down off of, poor things.
Shocker
Leftoids eating each other lol
Saw that one coming 21 miles away
You really hate to see it.
blacksky am I right?
It is Monday morning after all… I don’t know what’s new about that.
Let's get Mark Cuban on Nostr and have him assess it.
Ha, he tried to talk sense on a neo-cult platform. Just bubblegum religions there mate dreamt up by entitled & drugged gen-z nutters
The Left are far more hateful than the people they accuse of being hateful. Their complete lack of awareness is really quite shocking.
You are a retarded liberal.
Your opinions are worthless.
Liberals are by far the most stupid and hateful bigots around.
As a leftist I have much more in common with conservatives and right wingers than I do with liberal boot licking morons.
Left and right need to unite against liberal scum
You are obviously extremely dumb because I am NOT a liberal at all and Liberals are on the political Left as any person with an IQ above 60 knows . Jfc 🤦
gonna zap him on x lol 
Everything works great when you have a small amount of users. So far nostr hasn’t been battle tested.
All I'm reading is excuses to post on X with his nazi buddies.
He should try #nostr.
Who'd have thought? Same recipe, same results 🤷♂️
I got banned from bluesky for criticising Israel...
Had high hopes for bluesky
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