Libertarians tend to think conservatives are idiots. Sort of the way many athiests feel about deists. Same dynamic. Probably stems from the size of the differing demographics.

One side is a small minority, consisting disproportionately of unusually intelligent people, the other is the majority of the population. There are many more highly-intelligent people in the majority, but you are less likely to encounter them because they are in a more heterogenous group.

Highly-intelligent conservatives don't suffer from this "random-sampling" bias because they tend to know each other, so they're surprised when people are astonished at how intelligent they, personally, are.

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This applies especially to Catholics. The average IQ of Catholics tends relentlessly toward the mean because of our preference for celibacy and the sheer, massive size of the population and the global breadth of the Church.

That doesn't mean than any particular Catholic can't be highly intelligent.

Not religious myslef, I like what Newton (allegedly) said:

It's better to believe in God, because if you're wrong there is no risk.

Pascal's Wager, right?

Yes, Pascal it was! My bad.

rite

i define mine with - it iz betr when i do/* GOoD/*****

try a natural path maybe, i never "felt" mans religious interpretations /* just my experience from a young age/*

I think if god /gods exist, then him/they prefere you not to believe then believe in wrong one.

So from my point of view believe has greater risk :)

I know at least one religion which consider non-believers "not people" or free to kill non-humas.

I can't remember any which is tolerant to others in original form…

then you are clearly twisting the history. and ignoring the kill the non-believers thing

which one religion has been tolerant to other religions?

I used to think this was a crazy system, that Catholics have. Like an institutionally-directed iodiocracy.

But it's finally dawned on me that being hyperintelligent is not an attribute that preferences marital life (it's neutral, at best). It's intense carnality, a strong attraction to the opposite sex, a willingness to compromise and deal with reality, and a yearning for progeny, that qualify someone to marry.

A subset of highly-intelligent people are missing one or more of those. Encouraging them to marry, anyway, so that we get MOAR SMART PEOPLE, has led to a society where people can't figure out how to differentiate the sexes, maintain a family, or how to impregnate females. Which is a sort of High-IQ Iodiocracy.

Men are literally confused about where to stick it.

I was having a conversation, recently, with this guy who's been shacking up with the same chick for over a decade, and they have no kids and he's like,

Man, I wish we had kids. 😔

Infertility is a hard cross to bear, I know. 🫂

Oh, we're not infertile, we just haven't figured it all out, yet. 🤔

Sir, do I need to make a map? 🙄

It's brutally difficult, to not be snarky, but imagine spending a decade in training for the completely wrong sport.

This man now knows 100 exotic, high-tech, bizarre, kinky ways to not-impregnate his own fertile, female mate. Apparently, it's not possible to simply turn that knowledge around and achieve the opposite effect.

He's off reading articles and asking for advice. Probably needs to complete a Ph.D. in Reproductive Studies, to come to the conclusion that the appropriate lubricant is a glass of good red wine before bedtime and the rest just sort of takes care of itself.

Imagine if our forefathers had been that smart. None of us would be here.

There are so many options! How ever could you know what to do?! This is all so horribly complicated!

/snark

that sounds like a sad story but not the norm ime

It's like,

Darling, just drop all of the chemicals and gadgetry, have some of the best Scotch and complain, loudly to your husband, "I am soooo drunk!", put on something resembling a handkerchief, and then lie back and think of England.

Works like a charm.

Come back tomorrow, for the life lesson, "How to turn water into proper tea, intermediate-level."

so /snark iz just playing? i just woke uP so giv me a little slack here/* what do U think of - let go, let God - ?

I honestly can't tell if you're being serious right now or trolling lol. Merry Christmas

preference for celibacy; what, where, when, why, would U say that? fr? yo no se/*

what r your thoughts on the present Pope?

He's the Pope.

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Hahaha; message received...

I don't think that's necessarily true, I think libertarians view conservatives as misinformed rather than idiots that being said there are idiots, and intelligent people in every political group.

Overall, I think libertarians, and conservatives can operate closely in contrast to democrats, and libertarians since Republicans, and Libertarians both tend to be business oriented groups.

Another thing is academics. Most of them assume the rest of us are some sort of idiot.

Many college-educated women can't find a college-educated man, despite men and women having the same average intelligence and high intelligence being dominated by men, and that is because attending college is not proof of an intelligence above the amount required to have 90 IQ.

If college were a direct proxy to intelligence, men and women would always attend at a 50/50 rate and all of the top tiers would be majority male. It is the precise opposite: women dominated academia and them dominating a particular branch of academics is an indication that that branch correlates less-strongly with intelligence. The people who flunked out of the physics or engineering program are probably much smarter than the average female B.A., but those women think denial is a river in Egypt.

Uh, you are saying that women are “less intelligent”? According to some supposedly scientific measure? There have been hundreds of years of attempts now to “measure intelligence”, with the methods and outcomes constantly shifting.

There are more Midwit women because they're are less women at the extremes. Men's intelligence is a quite significantly larger distribution.

The Raven data actually suggests that the entire male curve is shifted right (men dominate the genuises and women dominate the retarded), but women make up for that with increased height in the middle.

Other data sets show the men having a broader distribution, to both ends, but Raven is actually one of the best measures.

I feel like there's a hands-on/theoretical divide to intelligence too.

Case in point: 1st person is really good at sailing a boat,knowing what the boat is going to do with the wind coming from a certain direction and sail set one way.

2nd person can't steer the boat but can figure out all the ropes and pulleys of the sails to replace them with new ropes & pulleys which 1st person can't do.

That's the various applications of intelligence, but they all spring from the same well.

I picked a Seal, in my example, as their average IQ is 112, which is nearly 1SD, and that puts them in the 78th percentile.

Nobody thinks of them, when they think of smart people, but a dumb Seal would be too easy to kill.

Men and women are equally-intelligent, on average, but the distribution is different.

Measures of intelligence are extremely advanced and reliable, across a population, and they have no false-positives, on an individual basis.

It's actually easy to see how accurate the measures are, as they are highly-predictive of real-life outcomes and correlate tightly with other measures. Like the ASVAB or SAT.

I mean, you can just hear them on a blind date, right?

I really care about knowledge and intelligence. I have always Put Education First. I'm really proud of my master's degree in social work.

Oh, wow, that's impressive. Yeah, I tried college, but it didn't work out. Guess I'm not good at school.

Oh.

Well.

I'm looking for a man on my own level.

What do you do for a living, then?

I was a Navy Seal. I now run a busines selling specialty electronics for underwater exploration.

Oh. Well, I guess it's good that you found some employment. Yeah, so, I feel like this has no future, sorry.

I flunked out of the engineering program back in the day.

Anyone who reduces themselves and the world around them to a label is an idiot: libertarians, conservatives, socialists, atheists, theists,... they're idiots because they're religious (which is not faith). Their religion is the religion of the counterfactual. Making shit up to deal with the vastness of life.

Intelligence is literally the act of moving between and choosing among concepts, rather than confining oneself to one concept, from the assimilated form of inter "between" (see inter-) + legere "choose, pick out, read," from PIE root *leg- (1) "to collect, gather," with derivatives meaning "to speak (to 'pick out words')."

Faith, on the other hand, means living your life as it is, fresh and new in every moment, not perverting it into something it is not. Faith means to be wise about life out of unconditional love for the essence of life. That is: Creation.

You underestimate the importance of naming and grouping things, for advanced thought. Logic is not effective, without forming sets.

Claiming that there is no way to measure or to categorize persons is #StuffLibertariansLike, by the way. It's a way to eschew authority, since someone naming a group of people is defining that group, according to some particular set of characteristics defined by the name-giver.

To name something, is to take a position of authority, over it, like Adam naming the animals and Eve, in the Garden of Eden.

>>19 Now the Lord God had formed out of the ground all the wild animals and all the birds in the sky. He brought them to the man to see what he would name them; and whatever the man called each living creature, that was its name. 20 So the man gave names to all the livestock, the birds in the sky and all the wild animals.

But for Adam[f] no suitable helper was found. 21 So the Lord God caused the man to fall into a deep sleep; and while he was sleeping, he took one of the man’s ribs[g] and then closed up the place with flesh. 22 Then the Lord God made a woman from the rib[h] he had taken out of the man, and he brought her to the man.

23 The man said,

“This is now bone of my bones

and flesh of my flesh;

she shall be called ‘woman,’

for she was taken out of man.”<<

God named Adam.

Adam named everything else.

This is the basic human hierarchy.

However, over-belief in authority is why so many people think conservatives and deists are less intelligent, and for good reason. Turning that on its head and assuming no authority at all isn't smart either. Obviously

No, I'm not. Naming things and reducing your understanding of things to such a name are very different. I've said that.

Most people would apply many different names to themselves, depending upon the topic being focused on. And they make up new names, for new topics, and they understand that certain characteristics span multiple names.

We can inhabit a plethora of overlapping sets, so it is hardly a reduction.

You’re proving and missing my original point now. We’re in violent agreement on this one it seems

Well, I guess I'm emphasizing that intelligence wouldn't necessarily lead to not-naming onesself, but perhaps, to having a more complex system of names.

Perhaps we agree.

That said, I never deny my various names, when they're used. I appreciate them all. There are simply additional names other people might wish to assign to me, that I refuse to accept.

That fits in well with my perception of you as intelligent. I think we mean the same thing.

Faith is the willingness to believe that something is true, absent definitive proof.

...and where does that take you?

To Heaven.

Another word you try to limit reality to, but if it makes you happy, go for it.

It brings me Hope and Love.

hope, love and "mind the gap" when you step aboard the flying saucer to heaven

do you have any wisdom on aliens... are they swarming nuke sites because they are trying to save us from ourselves, or do they just want more human slaves and don't want us to destroy ourselves for that reason?

I've never taken any particular interest in aliens. I'm more about fairies and nymphs.

reminds me to go walk among the dryads