Thanks, I take back my comment. I wasn't aware that the protocol was open sourced.

The main thing holding me back is the community and network that I have built on nostr.

Pubkey seems like an upgrade to nostr, why build it as an incompatible network instead of a few NIPs?

I have more important things to do

Good to see you zapping even though lightning failed.

I get and appreciate that.

It's the focus on publicly connecting **individual** people (Follows typically) that tends to force the influencer behavior on profiles.

You seem to be trying to get profiles out of the box of "the one influencer thing they're known for" with topical tagging. That's a great step forward from the Twitter (and Primal) UX. I'm also going that route.

I think interop Communities are more promising tho. "Follow" isn't a thing in the apps we're building.

Both approaches (traditional social media and invite-only communities) have their place. In nostr you can implement both. Pubky you can't even try it out.

Tone = provocative as usual

Take = spot on tho

1) Invite codes are awesome for bootstrapping server-based businesses. I'm working out a scheme for doing this with :badge: Badges in nostr:npub18stt78efprta2el02tzgnez6ehghzgtt000v58967wvkgezjmprs0n7h7u .

2) Primal is :110percent: built for Nostr influencer larping.

Pubky (the app) has copied quite some things from the Twitter-Influencer UI playbook too, that said.

Not here to throw dirt, just setting the record straight.

Primal’s pricing is actually pretty clear. You’re paying for things like faster indexing, a cleaner interface, and better relay access. There’s no mystery, no invites, just an option if you want extra features. That’s a fair trade in an open system.

Pubky being open source is great, no one’s knocking that. But if people can’t even try it without an invite, then it’s gatekeeping in practice. Calling it a beta doesn’t change the fact that access is limited. If you’re going to talk about openness, it has to apply at the entry point too.

Relays have limits, sure. Some filter users. But most of them aren’t pretending to be totally censorship-proof while doing it. If Pubky really solves that problem, great. But right now, if I need someone else’s permission just to get in, that’s still curated access. Let’s be honest about what that is.

The DNS key idea is interesting. I’m not denying the potential of what Pubky might become. But we’re talking about what it is today, and today it’s not fully open.

Nobody said Pubky is evil. This is just about being accurate with the words we’re using. If we actually care about decentralization and open access, then we should describe things plainly, without hype or ego. That’s all this is.

Nobody’s confused about permissioned systems. The issue is selective gatekeeping vs. transparent cost models.

Did AI help you miss your own point? Invite codes are permissioned. Charging for server costs is capitalism. You can still post on Nostr without kissing anyone’s ring. That’s the difference…

Odell opens the gates, and nostr:nprofile1qqsgeksa4tajm7x673gq2v7t56dkgkh6pjhhzdhrgxlpke4za8jmmkqpr3mhxue69uhhyct8dukkummnw3ezuer4vd4kgmnn9ehhyecpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgm9e3tj scream ‘false prophet’ because someone built a toll road next to the free highway. Primal Pro isn’t a larp….your bitterness is…

Good to see you on NOSTR John, hope you’re having fun with your bitcoins.

I'm actually getting concerned about him.

i have been civil this entire time, anyone can check our posts to confirm for themselves

you continue to act in bad faith for engagement and it is lame

Wait, didn't you mute nostr:npub1qny3tkh0acurzla8x3zy4nhrjz5zd8l9sy9jys09umwng00manysew95gx on Nostr?

its an optional paid service for companies and power users

instead of personally attacking me all the time consider building better products

Man, your takes are terrible. It's like you're begging to be disliked

They can't stop building!!!! 15 new projects a week that no one knows how to use and counting

you can use nostr without primal or primal pro

get a life

All three are valid points. ⚡️

What’s the best idea for a solution if there is one? Or your general thoughts about the future.

Don't have a dog in this fight but my impression is that nostr:nprofile1qqsgeksa4tajm7x673gq2v7t56dkgkh6pjhhzdhrgxlpke4za8jmmkqpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqgjwaehxw309ac82unsd3jhqct89ejhxqgkwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3ezucnpdejqetk0p4 is using ragebate marketing tactics to promote his products. I can't imagine this is too successful on a network like #Nostr but who knows.

To nostr:nprofile1qqsgeksa4tajm7x673gq2v7t56dkgkh6pjhhzdhrgxlpke4za8jmmkqpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqgjwaehxw309ac82unsd3jhqct89ejhxqgkwaehxw309aex2mrp0yhxummnw3ezucnpdejqetk0p4's credit, he IS the only thing we seem to be talking about.

To our credit, few of us are even bothering to ask for an invite code to Cinnamon or whatever the Hell it's called.

Goodness me, have we entered the era of sloppy writing to prove you're not an LLM? I do not write with AI. Ever. I've been fussy about grammar since I learned what it was, and it bothers me if I accidentally write its as it's, but that doesn't make me an AI. nostr:npub13ndpm2hm9hud4azsq5euhf5mv3d05r90wymwxsd7rdn29609hhvqp60svh is right about one thing, it can be hard on Nostr to get people to focus on your points and not your persona.

The plan was always for Nostr to scale, of course. In fact the plan was for it to scale without a global state.

I'm interested. I'm a pubky user.

why fight everyone about everything, including those who are inclined to be interested in your work?

I'm trying to cut you some slack and you're making it really difficult.

When can we move to pubky tho?

He's trying to gain attention in the only way he knows how... Or the way he thinks is most effective. I've been following him on social media since 2017 to keep tabs on his projects but I'm yet to actually use one of his projects in any way.

Nostr has many bootstrap relays, the famous purplepag.es is competely unnecessary, not a single point of failure. From any relay through the data you can find many other relays, and from there the relay lists of anybody you want. It is a self healing network too.

Nostr provides signed, multi-endpoint relay lists. DHT relies on trusting third-party nodes for routing and data storaget serve your records.

Nostr's protocol and apps are already open.

I'm not saying pkarr is different than you imagine. I'm saying nostr is different than you imagine. And that they have similar levels of censorability.

Game isn't over.