GM all, PV!! ☕️🌞🤙💜
Reminder. Central banks and govts will do whatever they can to manipulate, control and oppress human flourishing rather than see true open markets. Don’t lose site of why we are here. Remain hopeful and optimistic while relentless in our conviction to that which matters.
Bitcoin ~ separation of money and state
Nostr ~ separation of speech from big tech
?cid=2154d3d7n6dledpufvziegzxs45yju2ill17vzf2bbyffhkw&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
property rights and copy rights to all 🤙
Sustainable decentralization is a good thing, I hope the blockchain and nostr models achieve that. That being said, there’s no reason the banks and governments would be against human flourishing. You attributing to malice what is pretty clearly incompetence.
The fiat experiment is absolutely filled with malice. If you don’t see any you must love a very privileged life. Life for most under a fiat standard means little more than having their time and labor extracted from them for the benefit of someone else. Govts and central banks play a crucial role in keeping their foot on the neck of the population at large.
Also blockchain is nothing without bitcoin. Bitcoin only
Sounds like you didn’t understand my point. The scale of operation here is too large to have consistent results. You’re attributing effectively mystical powers to people. Banks are motivated by market interests, not malice - they literally benefit from economic growth. Even autocratic governments rely on the good will of the people to survive - a thing that can’t be sustained with bad results. Pretty obviously incompetence if you’ve ever worked with other people before.
😂😂😂😂 ok. Good luck on your path.
What path? You guys are all so confident about your world views that you forget to actually justify them. If you knew a little about math you’d understand chaotic systems and how little it takes to fuck with your predictions. If they were as powerful and competent as you’re claiming the technologies you’re espousing would either be ineffective or not exist at all in the first place. Please think even just one step past grand global conspiracy and contemplate what you’re saying implies.
your path is one that will confront your arrogance with conversations like these. So again. Good luck on your path
Ever heard the term, “epistemic arrogance”? You’re like a textbook example of this.
😂😂😂😂 I’ll look into it. Thanks for the insight.
Justify anything you say beyond, “just look at it bro” and maybe I’ll start to think Bitcoin isn’t a cult. Otherwise its all posturing. Read a book, learn some math.
It’s ok, #[2]. As we know, Bitcoin is a radical shift in thinking. It’s a quiet protest. The separation of money and state. The alternatives are a ticking time bomb. You can trust man, or you can trust irrevocable code. Everyone else can HFSP.
I don’t think you understand the disagreement here. We both agree that decentralization is good. Maybe learn to read before contributing next time.
Perhaps so. I found it bizarre for you to make the claim that bitcoin is a cult, then encouraged others to read a book. Ego aside, bitcoin education is key. I’d encourage you to look deeper.
The main issue I see is a staggering lack of critical thinking skills on display for most of the maxis here. It actually goes further, when you aren’t with the maxis you’re against them, so they get aggressive. These traits strike me as cult like. I know why I’m interested in the technology but most of these people seem to survive on buzzwords alone.
All I see is buzzwords from you. You could easily change my view by going off script for even one post.
I’m sorry did you ask me a question? All I saw was you spouting what you already believe to be true and hurling insults.. did I miss something? I’m free all day to engage with close minded trolls, so please proceed. 😂😂😂
Reading comprehension is sorely lacking on your part. But I’ll elaborate anyways: cult like behavior surrounding Bitcoin doesn’t mean the idea of Bitcoin is bad or necessarily cultish. I’m rooting for Bitcoin, I hope it succeeds at all its project goals. That doesn’t exonerate you for acting like a cultist, however. Pythagoras was right about a handful of noteworthy things, but his cult also believed a bunch of nonsense on top of all that. You can be right about things and still be in a cult, being in a cult doesn’t automatically make you wrong about everything - it just calls into question how you arrived at those conclusions. If you believe something fervently but can’t explain why, you’re not actually thinking for yourself.
You honestly think I’m going to sit here and explain to you how I came to the conclusion that bitcoin is all that matters and the fight of our time when you come in slinging insults left and right? Your parents should’ve slapped you more.
You started being disrespectful way earlier my man. What do you think those laughing emojis were communicating? Maybe self awareness is the real problem.
No. You called me incompetent for suggesting that central banks and govts would hold back human flourishing.. which they LITERALLY DO. Print money, inflate the supply… then what.. put the brakes on growth. Uh oh, inflation is raging, better Raise interest rates, control the cost and price of all things. Make capital for any new business too expensive.. Curb business and make it bend to their will. Where exactly is my incompetence?
Duh, you forgot the inflation is rising, better start a proxy war part…😉
One tard at a time please.
Oh! Sorry! You’re overwhelmed. Please, take your time.
Debate is frustrating, I enjoyed reading much of what you said in this conversation, but name calling and derogatory defamation weakens your position. The beauty of this place is, if they’re not competent and respectful, block them and forget it ever happened.
I was saying that the people you’re talking about are not competent enough to get the results they want consistently, not your competency. Seriously, reading ANY books would be good enough to fix this level of literacy.
Takes like this is why it’s easier to just say “HFSP” to most people
Bitcoin is a tool of self interest. If you don’t think it’s to your benefit, don’t use it!
You are more than free to continue using your central banker cuck bucks, or whatever shitcoin you choose. You’re simply going to end up destroying your wealth, or have it stolen by the people who create the currency.
Good luck with that!
Read the full string of messages retard. The disagreement is not about the benefits of bitcoin.
If you actually understood the difference between Bitcoin and all other current forms of money, you’d understand why it has a cult following. Passion is not a negative feature - it’s a requirement for success.
What “cult” has as much infighting as bitcoin?? We literally argue constantly to try to find the best path forward with truth at the base layer
Are you talking about the engineering side?
No. I’m talking about those of us that are all in on bitcoin.. we disagree on so many things it’s not even funny. We fight constantly. The opposite of cult like behavior.
I haven’t seen any of that here or anywhere.
Nice try, fed 😆
Crypto bro flavored NPC
Damn, I was giving you credit. You hadn’t used crypto bro yet. Now you checked all the boxes. 😂😂😂😂
I promise you that is taking place. Bitcoiners are all over the map when it comes to personal beliefs and ideas for what the future should look like. Just because you see most of us saying bitcoin above all else doesn’t mean we agree on one single thing other than that fact. You just assumed it was so.
See all I’m getting is a bunch of spam because I didn’t buy in completely enough.
I don’t know what that means. There’s no “buying in”.. it’s up to you to study the history of money and decide for yourself where you see life heading under a fiat standard vs where it could potentially head under a bitcoin standard
Totally settled in on the idea that you’re an actual retard at this point. If you were actually reading any of the posts you were responding to you’d know this is a total non-sequitur.
Bitcoin literally is a cult lol, they’ll always tell you that you don’t understand and need to “study” it but never specify what exactly you’re missing to get to where they are.
I actually am retarded, thank you for noticing. It’s odd that you spent so much of your day arguing with a retard. Strange use of time don’t you think? We can both agree that time is actually the scarcest commodity
My favorite retard. 🥹💜🙏🏻
Omg he noticed 🥹
Right?! I tried to tell him it’s a compliment where we com from. 🥹
Btw if anyone wanted the Bonafide Idiot badge lmk know and i’ll probably forget
?cid=2154d3d7e92c4d9f54f90384dc98afc537f177eddf2d793c&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
?cid=2154d3d7e92c4d9f54f90384dc98afc537f177eddf2d793c&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
?cid=2154d3d7e92c4d9f54f90384dc98afc537f177eddf2d793c&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
Someone’s cultural background, and existing indoctrination determines what they’re truly hearing within your message. The broader the girth of one’s knowledge and experiences, the more a voice can be used as an instrument. There’s a major difference between listening to understand one’s message verses listening to respond. One of them removes ego.
Bad advocates, you see the dog pile that’s happening right now? That’s what drives people away and makes them think all these guys are a bunch of crazy people. When you see the same reasoning say Bitcoin is the future say that the banks and governments are actively conspiring to ruin quality of life it makes the whole enterprise look unreasonable.
If you think it’s unreasonable, then don’t be a part of it. I’m here to acquire more Bitcoin, and I’m fine with you having less.
I don’t understand what problem you have with the ‘reasoning’ of Bitcoiners though. It’s really very simply and sane logic. I’m sure you’ve heard it before, but I’ll spell it out one last time for you.
Governments can issue money to fund their desires at no cost, therefore allowing them to potentially act against the will of their constituents while devaluing their citizens currency.
Bitcoin is a system where no government or individual can control the issuance of money, and therefore forces governments to spend responsibly and in accordance to the will of their people, as well as allows everyone around the world to have savings which maintain value over time without investment risk. Since this system is a net benefit over the current one, demand will increase with time. Considering Bitcoins supply is fixed and the new issuance is decreasing, the value of a Bitcoin will increase.
What are your other questions or criticisms?
I’ll stick with bitcoin, you read the books I’ll meet you back here in 10 or so when more currencies have collapsed do to govt manipulation and mismanagement.
#remindmeofthosidiotin10years
When did I ever advocate for fiat currencies in this conversation. Please, I’ll wait. I’m sure with your staggering cognitive powers you can find it.
If you are advocating on behalf of any govt or central bank you are, by default, advocating for fiat
Can't quick alc/heroine addiction cold turkey
Where did I advocate for the banks? I’m literally calling them incompetent.
You said they aren’t against human flourishing. I couldn’t disagree more. They are for a level of flourishing that THEY choose. They control and manipulate the price of all things. In fact, we don’t even know the cost of anything until it’s priced on a bitcoin standard. There’s generational price manipulation to benefit the issuers themselves. Until we completely clear the cache, I trust the price of nothing.
Human flourishing on a bitcoin standard is truth. Money that isn’t weaponized by the issuer is pure. Only then will the “cost of capital” have an actual meaning, imo
Lauren stop zapping me so much!! 😂😂🤙🙏⚡️⚡️⚡️
Let’s back up… what is your personal stand? I do not want to make assumptions.
It’s not so much about competence IMHO. It’s more about human nature, like in animal farm, Macbeth or brave new world.
Competency is required to intentionally hinder human flourishing at that scale. It is very much an issue of competency and foresight. I agree that the centralization presents issues since the cost of mistakes is much higher than in a decentralized system. There’s also the problem of iterations which is harder with more centralized systems. He’s in favor because he thinks the system is out to get him; I’m in favor because I think the system is fundamentally incompetent. Make sense?
Ever heard of stackchain?
I refuse to chat with more than one retard at a time.
That’s a compliment where I come from.
#[4] #[5] #[2] #[6] #[7] #[8] #[9] #[10] #[11] #[12] #[13] #[14] #[15] #[16] #[17] wait… are we a cult? 🧐😲🤔 (I’m missing a bunch of hue 🧡)
Sorry heard that's not bob. Unless he was trolling me
#[18]!! I knew I forgot a bunch of ppl. I couldn’t find Roberts @ either
#[19]
Chewy your 3K April bet is down to 3 blocks a day 👀
What is the Block Height??
Also in case you missed this the other day 
https://twitter.com/rwawoe/status/1632142555482853377?s=46&t=j5uIiYv_OUrG48mBNxHqFQ
I definitely did miss that. I have popped into Twitter once for three minutes this month
yes.
Bitcoin is math.
People’s behavior has no impact on its operation.
People are rarely better then their incentives. So what are the incentives of Bitcoiners?
1 stack sats
2 teach people who want to learn
Number 2 fades away after awhile except in rare circumstances, because people are catastrophically stupid. This is most likely as a result of people not being better then their incentives and making assumptions that tomorrow will be like today.
Most of us will tell you to go learn about it yourself. Because we’ve had so many of these conversations that it’s tiresome. When you’ve spent a lot of time being obviously right, it gets old hearing the same wrong arguments. Sometimes it’s even painful to watch someone be wrong. FTX is a good example of that. Any Bitcoiner worth a shit was telling anyone who would listen that shit was a scam. But… we we’re called cult members. So fuck it. We’re in a cult. A cult that is right and doesn’t cut off its own nose to spite its face.
There are people who want to learn about Bitcoin that aren’t argumentative and don’t think they have it all figured out. Our time is best spent there.
If you actually want to learn.
“The Bitcoin Standard” by Saif is good.
The way you people interact with Bitcoin has nothing to do with math.
Ok I’m going to tell your future start guy.
Your theory that Bitcoin is a speculative asset and that Bitcoiners are a cult makes you Bitcoin aware in the present. But you’re too smart and maybe to scared to save a significant amount of your time and labor in Bitcoin. But, you are paying attention from peanut galley.
You’ll watch it for 5-10 years then you remember every interaction you had with Bitcoiners and deeply regret that you were so smart 5-10 years ago.
I mean, there was money to be made on those NFTs too. Ultimately it’s a gamble and while it’s fun to gamble from time to time you shouldn’t bet an amount you can’t afford to lose. I don’t regret my betting habits because I’m not a gambling addict.
NFTs are not Bitcoin
Both are blockchain technologies. Both have their immediate value largely driven by trendiness. They both have been used to make money and we know at least one has a group of people left holding the bag. They’re more similar than you want to admit.
Yeah I don’t know why I’m engaging with this. But if you had talked to any bitcoiner about NTFs they would have told you they were stupid.
I’m sensing a pattern here.
Speculation
Cult
Gambling
I’ve had this conversation at least a thousand times. I don’t know what to tell people like you. You will learn when you learn.
Clearly you didn’t learn anything about communication from those conversations. Or you never developed the self awareness to see why bitcoin people come off as weird and crazy to the general population.
That’s the thing… HE cannot change YOUR viewpoints. You have to do the work and truly want to uncover the truth. You’ll unveil truth when you want to. No one can do this for you, nor would anyone want to try to prove anything to anyone that is triggered by words. Makes zero sense. Especially to a bitcoiner that values time. 🤷🏼♀️ Good luck to you! ☺️🙏🏻
What book should i read and math should I learn? I checked the govt websites for recommended reading on why inflation is good and govts are wonderful for citizens wellbeing but not sure what I’m looking for
Proofs by Jay Cummings is a great intro to mathematical logic and gives you a lot to work with in terms of general math literacy a pretty good foundation for further learning. Honestly, if you don’t do much reading, try to look for things that interest you - philosophy is a broad category that I think you should look into.
The irony
Nobody cares if you think bitcoin is a cult.
Your naive view of the world is adorable.
Good luck on your path.
Nobody cares, that’s why you’re all here dogpiling. Makes sense.
You believe govts and central banks are incompetent rather than malicious.. I say they’re both.. bitcoin is our only shot at getting out from under this predatory inflationary debt spiral caused by gross mismanagement of fiat currencies… what exactly do you want to know? You seem to have very strong opinions and your mind made up. Am I wrong?
I think it’s more like you aren’t capable of making a strong argument in favor of the malice view. It honestly feels like you don’t go outside to actually talk and work with people. Like you get your entire view of the world from TV shows.
I don’t watch tv, nice try though. I actually witnessed first hand what inflation does to working class people. It is malice. It’s disgusting. And it’s a policy choice made intentionally to control. You have an awful lot of opinions about me and what I stand for don’t you? You aren’t asking questions in good faith. I’m done here. Good luck on your path
I suppose hurricanes are also caused by malice. It’s bad therefore malice is required, is that the logic? It’s all so dramatic with you.
Comparing hurricanes to inflation as a policy choice by central banks is literally one of the dumbest things I’ve ever heard… and I’m really retarded so congrats
Then explain the logic more thoroughly. Because it sounds like you’re saying that because something bad happened it required malice on the part of the decision maker.
I told you I’m done going back and forth with you… sooooo. 
?cid=2154d3d76zsc9a2q5o5bfqey689ojpkm05ysnqesre7gr97o&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
Cool, it’s pretty boring going back and forth when the other sides ideas are so clearly half baked.
AGREED!! 🤙
Let me know when you grow a brain cell.
Let me know when you have trouble affording goods and services that used to be affordable in a few years so I can laugh at you.
Let me know when you realize that’s a non-sequitur. Feels like social media brain rot has gotten to you.
Let me know when you know what you think I know… cause if we both know something similar, we’ll both be “in the know”. And as you know, knowing is half the battle, you know!??
Exactly, I hope you kill yourself. The world needs fewer retards, not more.
Judging by our interactions I’d say statistically you’re about 99% more likely than me to kill yourself. Be safe Zack, self harm isn’t the way.. good luck on your path. 🙏🙏
Good luck with having no practical skills, when the speculation vehicle you’re using crashes and burns.
I own a business ( have for 20 years) and convert my fiat into bitcoin weekly. Thanks for your concern, I’m all set. 😂😂😂😂😂
That’s hilarious, what percentage of your savings is in Bitcoin? Also, I somehow doubt a business owner has time to go back and forth on social media like you have, you don’t have to lie man.
ALL of my savings are in bitcoin. 100%. No IRA, no 401k.. none of that shit. I’m 100% convicted. This is what people like you fail to understand. Your up against people with a conviction outside of your comprehension. I’ve already accepted my fiat death. There is no future under a fiat standard that I want to be a part of. Now, keep it moving, you’ve wasted enough of my time.
What the actual fuck?! Who says stuff like that to people? Go touch some grass dude. It’s not that serious.
He’s not a serious person Lauren. He’s a pathetic troll. Not worth one second of any of our time. Don’t give him a second of your energy. 
Not as pathetic as you pretending to own a business.
Lol, he actually DOES own a very successful business that’s been operating for over 20 years. I can vouch for him. He’s not pretending.
Lauren, he’s blocked. Just let it go. Thanks for vouching for me, but I assure you I don’t worry about what people like him think of me.
There’s whole bunch of “engineering students” like that fucktard that come here only to get into spats with random people.
I was happy to keep things polite. It’s you guys who can’t cope with very simple questions and the slightest differences in opinion.
Yeah, this is where the responses should’ve ended.
Yeah, SUPER FRIENDLY DISCOURSE. Go fuck yourselves. Standards only apply to out groups, apparently.
Cry harder
Feels more like you aren’t able to do any better. You aren’t capable of explaining anything you believe in because you never thought through it yourselves. Those aren’t your thoughts, they’re just an imitation of someone who’s smarter than you.
What could you expect from nuclear blockchain enthusiast? He’s probably engineering new shitcoin with his friends at the FED. Central bankers are people too they just wanna feed their families, why dont you accept them?! 😭
Typical cultist behavior, always have a need to steel yourselves against suppressive persons. Maybe if you applied some critical thinking you’d realize our prescriptions are ultimately similar. Nah, that would require reading comprehension and cognitive horse power you clearly lack.
LOL, that was a wild ride Zack.
I can't believe you got them to reply that much with you low level heckling.
That's an accomplishment in itself, you should be proud.
I see a great future in trolling for you.
Good luck on your path.
They are genuinely dumb and lack emotional regulation.
They sure were dumb in trying to educate you, Zack.
Good luck on your path.
They’re dumb because they can’t articulate why they believe the things they believe. You’re no different.
You’re a moldy muffin. It’s Friday. Why you so grumpy? 😬
It seems like he’s just trying to have a conversation, but it seems impossible unless you’re a bitcoin cultist.
Please Bitcoiners please, there’s hundreds of hours of podcasts and articles, also in audio form, free books that I could read too and even tho right now I understand nothing about Bitcoin, please you cultists argue with me 😭
Love yourself Zack 
This banks?
Banks are motivated by profit, which includes enslaving people with the easy debt they hand out to needy people, even when they know these people can’t necessarily afford it.
Governments are motivated by power and profit, which includes making people reliant on government so they have an excuse to tax more.
Both of these motives are contradictory to human flourishing.
Read Creature from Jekyll Island and then tell me if you think the banking cartels are incompetent
The standard of living today is better than it ever has been in human history.
LOL While you blame your government or fiat you are sadly just playing useful idiot in their stupid game pushing for 4th industrial revolution helping those who subverted your government and fiat. You don't know anything little sheep and you will win very stupid prices if you don't start researching. You are just repeating the history you don't even know.
Wow.
I see you’re a student of history.
There is both incompetence and malice involved and they are not mutually exclusive. Liars are often incompetent so I'd say there is a natural overlap between malice and incompetence.
Malice involves intentional harm and governments are prone to reason along the lines of the Trolley Problem; there is a willingness to sacrifice the lives of some for a believed or imagined 'greater good'. Typically the arguments involved just happen to expand the power of government.
On the moral level - if a person pulls a lever, or enacts a government policy - that with certainty will harm innocent people, that behavior is clearly a form of malice. It doesn't matter that the person falsely believes that they are helping the world; knowingly harming innocent individuals is unethical and malevolent.
How do we know that governments knowingly harm innocent individuals? Because of their track records. From forced sterilizations and physical lobotomies to chemical lobotomies and cruel experiments. Brief references would be Vipeholm in Sweden or the Tuskegee experiments in Alabama, US.
Vaccine mandates and the government-sanctioned discrimination of individuals based on vaccine-status was not merely a result of incompetence, but of direct malice; to willingly force or coerce individuals into injecting poorly tested and potentially harmful products.
In a free market, consumers purchase products they trust based on the understanding they have of their own risks and their personal medical condition. In a centrally planned society, governments collude with big pharma, orders large quantities of poorly tested treatments that there is no free market demand for and then force, or coerce individuals to inject these products while censoring and/or outlawing competing products.
Don't get me started on the U.N. Agenda 2030 that clearly depends on herding people into a feudalist system of CBDCs and social credit scores in order to implement net zero carbon and carbon allowances. Very few people would willingly be trapped in a social credit score system, so governments know fully well that they have to use herding, coercion and removal of better options to achieve the Agenda2030 goals.
The fact that CO2 is essential for plant growth and not a driver of global warming is obvious from the data. Government lies and propaganda informs us that their motivations are about control rather than proclaimed climate concerns.
Read what you said again and see if you can find the contradiction.
Until you can make a compelling argument I'm going to ignore you, deservedly.
Have you ever considered that they believe what they are doing is ultimately for the best? Or even the possibility that corruption is less about malice than it is about incentives?
I believe all individuals attempt to solve problems. However, unethical methods indicate malice.
As I described earlier, malice is about knowingly harming innocent individuals, regardless if the perpetrator believes they are achieving some 'greater good'. Belief in doing good does not eliminate objectively harmful impacts.
Even if the world benefitted from harming some innocent individual X, Y or Z, it would still be unethical and malevolent to harm them or subject them to high risks of harm.
Socrates observed that there are objective properties to health. His use of terms like good or evil were designated to describe and differentiate between beneficial vs harmful. Poison for example is objectively harmful to us. A poorly tested mRNA treatment have a known risk of being harmful since we lack data and have limited understanding of downstream risks.
Example: playing Russian roulette with someone against their consent is malicious. The perpetrator knows that there is a risk of harm involved even if they may attempt to evade the fact that it can be deadly.
This post led to someone telling me they hope I kill myself… strange world we live in. 😂😂😂
?cid=2154d3d7emavty2tgwogjmzav6bfurw9u2f8pak46eiub7v3&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
?cid=2154d3d7leou89d9uvf9qb6wnlcl0mhfjiydw3ojpk9zmz4k&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g
