Charlie Kirk is known for engaging in respectful Socratic dialogue with people that vehemently disagree with his political views, which is something that is desperately needed today.
The fact that he was attacked during one of these events is an attack on the medium itself and an admission by the radical left that they don't care to engage in dialogue, but prefer to brute force their views on the world.
A very sad and frightening day.
Demons
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Obviously most of yall know im on the progressive side of things. I believe whole heartedly in freedom of speech and dialogue in this country. The violence put forth on the left and inability to hold conversation is ultimate loser and disgusting behavior. Agree with you Marty, this is horrific.
So how does your idea of progress deal with the Nazis?
I agree- the left wing can’t debate ideas just tries to silence with violence. Disgusting.
I wish my fellow leftists were brave enough to be on nostr, but I never saw Charlie Kirk mention nostr either. Weird how you're trying to reframe reality
Left leaning libertarian here. I don't think folks need to die for us to be able to work together. Violence just begets violence and an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind. The problem, outside of the puppet masters pulling their strings, is the fact that a large number of humans don't have empathy.
I respect not wanting bloodshed, but I don't see what you're doing about the Nazis that makes you better than the person that did this
I call that shit out when I see it. I shame them publicly. I make sure anyone that encounters them in my presence knows who they are. I don't tolerate extremism on any side.
Don't try to bully me today, bud. I'm usually the one defending you out here.
I'm not trying to bully you, I'm saying I think the gun is potentially mightier than the pen at this stage of Nazi empire
Well, I can't personally take up arms because I have children to consider, but I am more than willing to help get someone crucified in the court of public opinion if need be.
I don't feel like I can take up arms either, but I'm thankful to people who do it for a good cause
Luigi Mangione is a hero. Whoever killed this Charlie Kirk guy (someone I had never heard of before today if I'm being fully transparent) is a pawn in the government games. Or will be used as such even if they were a legitimate lone actor.
Absolutely true
And after hearing the conflicting reports on whether the shooter is in custody, idk if it was a lone actor. Fuck them if they got paid or given special fed immunity to do this
But if it was a lone actor, I hope they don't get the death penalty for going after a Nazi
I dont use the National Socialist tag all willy-nilly personally. Is there evidence of him belonging to such a group? Like I said, I had never heard of him before today.
He supported the Trump campaign last year, while Trump was openly supporting the genocide in Gaza
That makes him okay with genocide, not necessarily a Nazi. That's still a shitty stance. But like, fuck both sides of the american government aisles? That's still my base stance.
There was a word for people who didn't join the military or anything in Nazi Germany, just chilled being okay with genocide
That word is Nazi
Republicans and Democrats are both modern Nazi party branches in the US
I have no idea what you’re talking about. I’m not reframing anything. Fanatical leftists are shooting people bc they can’t engage in serious debate. Better to let words fight then actually commit violence but the left can’t make that distinction. This was a cruel, demonic act of cowards who are possessed by forces beyond their understanding.
Fanatical right wingers have done it too. Its not fuckinhg left and right or red and blue. It's the fucking government pitting the people against each other so they can keep raping our kids and robbing us blind. But hey, yeah, let's blame politics and not the politicians.
Blame the actor not some amorphous other. I’m just saying majority of police violence acts are blue to red. Not my fault libtards are mentally weak and easy to manipulate by politicians.
Like I said, both sides have acted in this manner. Again, you're being blinded by red/blue rage bait.
I am not. Charlie Kirk has not committed any violence. Just preached the word of God and tried to descale the eyes of college-age kids. For that he gets murdered. I think the rage is justified.
There's no proof he hasn't committed violence, but there is proof he has participated in group violence, which is open to debate whether you'd call it "committing" violence
What the fuck is “in group violence”? Violence can only be committed by individuals. Fuck off with that nonsense.
I notice how you said "individuals," plural
Did you mean what you said? Plural individuals? Like, a fucking group maybe?
Lmao let me dumb it down: an act of violence can be attributed only to an individual. Not to someone that individual has listened to.
And this connects to the context you're replying to in some way? How?
You brought up Kirk engaged in group violence. That is not a thing.
It's when a group of creatures (in this case people) perpetrate violence together. Try to keep up
Again, that is not a thing. Be specific, what exact act has Kirk done that could be considered violence? If you cannot state that, he has not committed any violence. If you’re claiming he’s a member of a “group” you have to define the members of the group and prove how each of them has committed violence. If you cannot, your claim has no merit.
Group: Nazis
Exact acts: voting, sending dollars, etc.
Am I gonna have to repeat this again?
Lmao have a good day man, I hope you think hard about what you’re attributing to a “group” and how you define them. Make sure it’s not an idea someone else put in your head.
Kids in Gaza are walled in and starving.
Charlie Kirk supported that, with words and also materially with actions.
That's what I call being a Nazi / a member of the Nazi group.
By that definition hamas would also be part of this group. They are walling in and starving (stealing food aid) from civilians. Would they be nazis too?
Any members of Hamas participating in walling in children and starving them are Nazis. Yes.
Unlike the Israeli authorities, I have no evidence that includes many, if any, members of Hamas.
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Weird time to post those emoji you fucking Nazi creep
Now I’m a nazi? Look at this group definition widening even further… not a problem at all. Re-evaluate your mental models. Make sure it’s not a demonic idea proliferating with your consent.
Humans are the ones with dangerous ideas, not demons.
Anyway, re-evaluating 👀
We have no evidence the shooter was someone incapable of engaging in serious debate
Mk Ultra
Violence is an admission that reason has failed. Pray for Charlie and his family.
Christian, husband and father of 2.
A few things about your post:
1. It's incorrect
2. It's retarded
2. You're being dishonest
What is incorrect or retarded or dishonest about the post?
I know Charlie Kirk for saying "your body, my choice"
And as a wider category, I know Charlie Kirk for being a Nazi retard who keeps saying and doing shit that had me waiting for him to get killed
Aside from myself, there are some people who first learned about him with the "your body, my choice" thing, just like me, but then a lot more people know him for the same general category of being a Nazi retard saying and doing shit that should get him killed
Don't really feel like reading the rest of the post to see what else is incorrect/retarded/dishonest about it
you don't get killed by saying things. You get killed by violent assholes who can't deal with the thoughts in their heads..
If his actions didn't match his words, maybe you could blame the killer for reacting to words alone
But they did, so that's a moot point. It was what he was saying and doing that had people like me like "when is someone gonna shoot this guy"
I wonder. This feels like 3 letter agency paid someone to kill free speech.
After the recent report that the suspect is not in custody, after previous statements and photos saying the suspect was in custody, something seems strange
He shouldn’t have been killed. But he never minded Palestinians being killed either.
I'm sure he thought some Palestinians should be killed. But there is a difference between arguing over whether something is an act of war and doing the killing. Last I checked, he was not responsible for killing anyone.
He took money from Israeli billionaires to spread propaganda
That’s like hitler never killed anyone cuz he might have never physically done it
That’s like saying*
You lost me at Hitler, who ordered the deaths.
Charlie argued that Israel had the right to defend itself. Whether you agree with him is another thing. He also pushed back on the idea that Israel could not be criticized, and he hated that Israel was killing women and children in Gaza. There is such a thing as a nuanced position.
No nuance of how you support starving children to death en masse will make me care if you get killed for supporting starving children to death en masse
The nuance might impact like, how you should be killed, but the fact that you support starving kids to death is just not nuanced in itself
Show me a quote where he supported starving children, and I will condemn it.
Didn't you say he went along with Israeli framing where this is presented as "Israel's right to defend itself" while this was happening?
you made an assertion. support it.
I just tried while I awaited your reply, but Google wouldn't even give me any quotes where he suggested voting for Donald Trump
Did he somehow campaign for Donald Trump while telling people not to vote for him? Or like, without commenting on voting or something? I don't get it
Not some collated Google search. Post a direct video quote of Charlie saying it was OK to kill women and children either by blowing up buildings or starving them. That was your accusation. I'll even accept one where he says it was OK to raise Gaza. Support it with something other than inference.
This sort of accusation shit game that the left plays.
And keep in mind, I hate Israel, and I think Netenyahu allowed Hamas in on Oct 7 so he could hold onto power.
Look man, if he campaigned for Trump while saying "don't vote for Trump" and that was part of a general pattern of looking like a Nazi without actually advocating for doing anything to any starving children, then I was wrong about him.
I'm just pretty sure there are plenty of actual quotes from him that prove me right, even if Google didn't wanna show me one at first
I'm pretty sure with your line of thinking you would also be fine with genocide since there are millions who agree with Charlie on his positions. I don't see the difference between what you're accusing Charlie of and your own position.
Making exceptions for kids, and using guns instead of bombs or starvation, are pretty big differences in my position
again, post the soundbite. Otherwise you're just saying programming.
You refute that Charlie Kirk ever suggested to vote for Trump?
Why don't you make things more interesting with a wager. I'll bet you 100 sats he did
🙄 I voted for Trump. it was either that or the dementia guy and his corrupt team of marxists. That wasn't what you were arguing. You said that Charlie wanted to starve children.
If you aren't allowed to vote for third parties or write in your own votes where you live, why live there? And why vote there at all?
I voted for Trump in "2016" when he wasn't genocidal.
Supporting Trump in "2020" was supporting killing and disabling kids with a deadly virus; not the kind of "free speech" I care if you get killed over.
Supporting "Trump 2024" was like in "2020," but now also walling in a city full of kids and starving many of them to death.
I will stay in this place as long as I think there's a fighting chance to stop authoritarianism. Nowhere else in the world is there a mass of people with enough guns and FU money to hold the evil at bay.
Israel is a sideshow. You can accuse people like Charlie of supporting genocide, which is truly what's happening there, but it's not on the mainstage if the 4th Turning at this point. Charlie challenged the Marxist authoritarian ideology, and that, my friend, is the fight that will matter in the end.
Marxist authoritarians aren't the problem
Nazis are
We might end up with an eco fascist world government to stop us from using crude oil and nuclear weapons to commit global suicide, that would be much better than what we have now or in the past
I have a personal belief in anarchy but it seems too late to try that as a productive solution for the problems we've created today
Nazis? Weird take.
Since this keeps coming up lately, I have an explanation ready to copy and paste of why I use this wording
Level 1 Nazi
𝚂𝚘𝚖𝚎𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚕𝚎𝚊𝚍𝚜 𝚘𝚛 𝚓𝚘𝚒𝚗𝚜 𝚒𝚗 𝚝𝚘 𝚑𝚎𝚕𝚙 𝚊 𝚐𝚛𝚘𝚞𝚙 𝚍𝚘𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝚐𝚎𝚗𝚘𝚌𝚒𝚍𝚎 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚋𝚛𝚞𝚝𝚊𝚕 𝚊𝚞𝚝𝚑𝚘𝚛𝚒𝚝𝚊𝚛𝚒𝚊𝚗𝚒𝚜𝚖
Examples: Charlie Kirk's support of Trump and Israel, maybe your posts defending him
Level 2 Nazi
𝚂𝚊𝚖𝚎 𝚊𝚜 𝟷, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚠𝚒𝚝𝚑 𝚊 𝚌𝚘𝚗𝚜𝚒𝚜𝚝𝚎𝚗𝚝 𝚑𝚊𝚋𝚒𝚝 𝚘𝚏 𝚝𝚊𝚛𝚐𝚎𝚝𝚒𝚗𝚐 𝙹𝚎𝚠𝚜 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚒𝚛 𝚛𝚎𝚕𝚒𝚐𝚒𝚘𝚗/𝚎𝚝𝚑𝚗𝚒𝚌𝚒𝚝𝚢
Examples: Charlie Kirk's support of Trump and Israel
Level 3 Nazi
𝚂𝚘𝚖𝚎𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚕𝚢 𝚌𝚘𝚗𝚗𝚎𝚌𝚝𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚘 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝙽𝚊𝚣𝚒 𝚙𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚢 𝚘𝚏 𝚆𝚘𝚛𝚕𝚍 𝚆𝚊𝚛 𝟸 𝙶𝚎𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗𝚢
Examples: Charlie Kirk's support of Israel and the 21st century American uniparty
ok. Well, have fun fighting the "Nazis." 🙄
I won't. It sucks. I hope you're not one of them
Don't really care if I am or not. I'm more interested in stopping those who would love to destroy anything Christian and then lock us into a authoritarian prison that looks like a globalist Soviet society.
Then you should be glad the Catholic Church seems quite non-Nazi and ready to be part of a non-nuclear-apocalypse future, so people like me have no desire to destroy everything Christian.
eh. There's a Christless-ness there as well. I doubt I will be looking towards any institution as we go forward.
Not suggesting that. I'm just saying, as a Christless commie myself, they're doing a good job ensuring real Marxists shouldn't want to "destroy everything Christian"
the destruction of the God idea is inherent in Marxism. I am therefore opposed to it. It also insists on the centralization of the financial system, so I am opposes to it. It has no interest in the family unit, so I am opposed to it.
My idea of communism doesn't do anything to your church or your family unit, it mainly just prices most people out of luxuries they should have the self control to avoid to begin with (like eating tons of meat and driving huge vehicles faster than necessary all the time)
why do you believe it's your right to make those decisions for others? this is "you'll own nothing and be happy" authoritarianism..
It's my simple right to self defense. I don't like my air being poisoned
then you need to personally, publicly campaign against it rather than asking the govt to do it for you.
Well that's why I'm always posting on nostr and never filing taxes
But ultimately I kinda expect someone else with an AI powered robot army to do more than I can
at least I know you're not serious.
I am serious, retard
You have picked a random time to start pretending I'm joking for no reason
ok, then you are a coward, trying to force something on other people and hoping they use violence to do it because you are too weak to do it yourself. You are not a serious person.
I am definitely a serious person. If I live long enough, I will build the robot army myself
Also, it's not hard at all to drive reasonable speeds, but you people are still vastly far too retarded for that
Given your violent vision to force us to do your will, you will, of course, be resisted. It will be to the bitter end, and it's a fight a lot of us will enjoy.
Because I'd make you eat less meat and drive reasonable speeds?
Thank gosh wars aren't usually won on delusion alone
yep. you don't get to make me do anything.
Because someone else will probably do it first, but like I said, if I somehow avoid being murdered first, it could end up being me
wouldn't wish that on you.
Many people would.
If I send unarmed quadcopters to crash into people's trucks and scratch the paint when they're driving too fast, people will want to strike me with predator drones.
Thank you for being more reasonable
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And now perhaps you understand how this meme is bullshit 
nah. you want what the globalists want. so it's still the same.
"Globalists" as in get rid of national borders, yes
"Globalists" as in ship everything across oceans to help poison everyone, obviously not
Either way, how the fuck does blurting out the word "globalism" change the fact that you, not some shadowy overlord, want to kill me by poisoning my air and you threaten to escalate the violence further for anything people who want to survive (like me, not some shadowy overlords) do to defend ourselves?
So if he doesn’t care about people being killed why are people expected to care he got killed?
Your completely unhinged and everything that is wrong with the world
I feel quite firmly hinged tbh.
Pally flag in bio? Youre a muzzie lover
Time for you to stagefive off a tall building, ten seconds later the world will be a bit better place
Wish I could zap you ha
Fuck off asshole. A father of 2 and husband is most likely dead because of hatred and disdain.
There's a word for Nazis with kids and marriages. You know what it is?
Nazi.
Maybe he should have tried not being so hateful and disdainful it would get him killed if he didn't want to be dead because of hatred and disdain
You’re confusing speaking truth for hate. Just like the far left so vehemently does on a daily basis. He’s always been calm and willing to be respectful to those he speaks with. Just leave this alone and take a walk.
So if the shooter said "your body, my choice" - it being true would stop it from being hateful?
And when you joined in with ser sleepy gaslighting me about Digit being dead, you were talking about some other Digit that's actually dead, not just fucking lying to cause suffering?
Lying about telling the truth doesn't make you honest
You self-centered. Self-Righteous asshole. Stop making this about you. Fuck off already and go get help.
Weak gaslighting attempt, Nazi
Go suck on a 12 gauge, over and under
Suck it good and hard
I might have had Charlie Kirk confused with a different Nazi called Nick Fuentes apparently, but I'm not gonna kill myself over it, you drama queen
They’re not confusing anything, they’re just hateful and dishonest.
I am hateful but really being quite honest
nostr:npub1tdewu5xk7ydz68tgc6mk4gq7hyty6s5uakf6w3amr5z9lse3rqnqsekx8c Dont engage I reckon it’s a bot. Or a total loser numnut!
well said Marty
This too will somehow end with more government and less privacy
Gad Saad says it best:
We are sinking into anarchy - this attack on @charliekirk11 is unbearable.
https://blossom.primal.net/cd310ecdfdfecebe598dcf82c539af973a904d3d174f2d1664b696f86247f773.mov
The left has escaped facing real consequences for too long.
That will not change
I bet it does, now.
How much? It will fade just like 9/11.
For those of us who lived through it it is hardly faded. There is however, a younger generation who wasn’t there for it who aren’t listening to people who were.
You still live in New York?
I don’t live in NY, no.
So, you lived through it like 95% of the country. With tsa restrictions and expanded government.
A bullet doesn't change the cold hard reality that Charlie is 100% correct
Just waking up in Australia to this story
Crazy
And yes, when we’re not able to openly debate, what kind of a world is that?
So sad RIP Charlie 💔
Has he died? I read injured and in hospital
Sure. The radical right are such pascifists. How easy it is to forget about the congress members shot and murdered at their homes in Minnesota a couple of months ago.
The violence is out of control across the political spectrum. It’s not limited to the left. And it’s encouraged by our president who is busy meme-ing threats of war with Chicago among other things.
Wait wait wait, you think it was some radical right that killed that congressman in MN?
I know, that guy who said that must have seen one CNN short and said, yup that's what happened and didn't look any further.
There are insane people everywhere, but to the left merit:
- They attract insane people by default
- They practice terrorism as acts of protests
- They literally have terrorist supporters asking to murder people (most famous is Hasan Piker, but there are more)
First of all, how do you know the shooter is a leftist? The kid that shot at Trump was just a kid with mental problems.
And you think the large contingent of people who went along with Qanon conspiracies - a right wing fringe conspiracy - are perfectly sane?
1. Logical guessing, it's dumb to think that it is all a coincidence, but I guess we'll have to wait for informations
2. "Just a kid with mental problems", there is always a excuse for forgiving murderers if they are trying to kill people that fight for freedom and justice, ahm?. Anyway that's just you summarizing the left, why do you think unis are full of leftists? (and I don't even talk only about US, the country where I live is the same, college full of lunatics)
3. Like I said, there are insane people everywhere, but the leftist are the ones that most calls for violence and goes by unpunished (leftism is becoming terrorism)
And it is weird to see a leftist on Nostr, but I guess this is the main project of the leftism: HPD: hijack, preach, destroy
This sometimes makes me melancholic, but I believe and pray that the truth will prevail.
I’m not a leftist. I’m honest. I call out BS from both sides. Few can handle it.
People weren't on social media celebrating the death of the congress member. The left is celebrating Charlie's death.
Evidence for this claim? I haven’t seen that anywhere.
“The Left” is tens of millions of people. One or two saying something stupid is not a collective response. Be real.
Shit is about to explode
100% , my folks and friends are so enraged many of them took off work once they heard this to calm down and I can't blame them, things are imploding. We know this was intended to stir the masses and cause chaos and it will.
Truly disturbing. Dialogue is essential for any healthy society, attacking it only shows fear of reasoned debate. 💔
Real America’s Voice is reporting that Charlie has passed. God bless his soul.
BUT MAGA ARE THE FASCISTS
(Incomprehensible unemployed screeching in the background)
Leftism destroys everything.
Leftist literally believe words are weapons
I can't believe they killed this guy.
It seems like things are pretty insane right now.
Absolutely.
Charlie Kirk was a brave and courageous man who engaged critics, and respectfully debated the left.
He was the biggest force moving young people towards Conservative Republican ideas.
He is in Heaven, but caution and action are needed. The left has gone beyond cancel culture to encourage killing of opposition.
> "respectful"
> constant logical fallacies, no apologies
I mean can you even show me 1 time he apologized for being disingenuous/arguing in bad faith?
RIP to Charlie Kirk. I wouldn’t call myself a fan, but I appreciate anyone who is willing to have conversations in today’s hostile climate.
Society — Take some time off the internet. Get your heads in a good place. An ongoing violence spiral won’t serve anyone positively.
Holy shit. People have lost their damn minds.
The fingerprints are all over the same three letter usual suspects, again.
It's an attempt to stir up some anger amongst the NPCs against all those who do not serve the child sacrificing "synagogue of Satan" who have corrupted the whole country.
This is the closest thing to the truth
Its not left vs right anymore we need to come together to see the real enemy.
Then the left gaslights their ass off
Sad day indeed
Respectful dialogs?
Very sad day. For what I’ve seen Charlie was a nice, articulate and respectful guy irrespective of which side he took. His political views made no difference to me.
My only word of warning to the people is: don’t let these events weaponise you. It’s easy to put labels on things (e.g. ‘radical left’). In reality, if you took off the labels and looked at the facts ONLY, across history, it would be hard not to notice that ‘radical left’ is very similar to ‘radical right’ and that once you reach a certain point of abstraction left=right=centre=corrupt system . The system is there to make you slave. Fuck the system using non-violent, smart, anonymous, freedom-based resistance. Study Bitcoin, buy Bitcoin, set yourself FREE. ✌️❤️🤙
Don't use this event to demonize the "radical left". I'm sure you didn't like it when people used the super trump lover in Texas who shot over 40 people at a Walmart to call it the "radical right" on a murder spree.
Don't be part of the problem dividing everyone with your rhetoric. You have a big platform, use it to make things better, not create more division.
From TXMCtrades on twitter:
I've hesitated to post this all day but I'm going to now. Will probably lose me some followers but I have things to say and I've never been one to hold my tongue. I respect the exchange of ideas and a diversity of thought.
Political violence should be widely condemned by all and it's unfortunate that we are so eager to paint outcomes as a single faction's work. We do it every time, and so quickly. However the pendulum is forever swinging. It was just three months ago that two Minnesota lawmakers and their spouses were shot at their respective homes in the same night, two of them fatally (Melissa Hortman and husband), all Democrats. Some recall the 2017 Congressional baseball game shooting targeting Republicans. Infamous and awful. 2017 was also the Charlotte car ramming incident that killed 1 and injured 35 people protesting against the Unite The Right rally, mostly progressive victims. In 2018 César Sayoc pled guilty to 65 felony counts for mailing pipe bombs to various Democrats and Trump opponents. Last year we had the horrific attempt on President Trump's life at a rally that he amazingly survived. Another Trump rally that summer had a man arrested with guns and a fake passport. These are just the first things I thought of. This is not an exhaustive list and isn't meant to encapsulate all political strife in this country, before anyone lists more tragedies. Let us not compete. I only bring these up because in my view it's important not to allow single events to deepen our partisan trenches any more than they already are. I see a lot of folks suggesting all our violence emanates from one direction but history says otherwise. It is becoming too easy to dismiss whole swaths of our countrymen as violent lunatics when most people are good and decent and law abiding. Charlie Kirk's murder is an abysmal tragedy and we should seek the ultimate justice against his perpetrator. Just as those who carry out any heinous crimes should be punished. Think we can all agree on that last bit.
Memories are short. Emotions are sky high. People are enraged, and rightfully so. But we are not tearing apart at the seams solely because of the efforts of left or right. We're tearing apart, in my eyes, because the social contract has been destroyed and people increasingly feel they've lost any agency to improve their own lives and leave their children a better world. Our communities are fraying. The classic American dream is dead, replaced by a fevered race to try to gamble thine self into wealth or risk drowning in five figure net worth hell with zero prospects and no property of your own. This is a soul crushing fact we must face as a nation. As I said earlier today, the very fabric of civil society feels as though it's being pulled apart. And whomever is tugging the threads surely benefits from seeing us divided by ideologies rather than united in any capacity.
This is not a cry for any one party, I have no partisan allegiance. I think it's all a big cabal as I've said consistently for a long time. But I hate feeling as though we're allowing the republic to be ripped apart by an unidentifiable evil. Events are in motion that cannot be easily undone, and it is heartbreaking to think that the nation my son inherits will be worse than the one I knew. We are being tested and so far we are failing. I'm not sure what we're supposed to do, but unanswerable grief and dread appear to loom over us like a cloud, dark as obsidian on a breezeless night. My soul aches.
Social media is designed to divide us. It is working.
Know that you are loved.
Goodnight. ❤️
The problem is the giant outpour of people celebrating his death. The "radical right" did not celebrate the death of people killed at walmart. The left is celebrating the death of Charlie. No matter who the killer was, the people celebrating speak for themselves. You simply do not see the right celebrating the death of leftist politicians like we are seeing from the left now. This is the problem that your post has completely avoided. If you celebrate murder, you are evil. There will always be evil people and we won't always know their motivations. But we can know who condemned them or celebrated them after the fact.
I think you may be stuck in a media echochamber. I assume rightwing media minimizes bad behaviour by the right and leftwing media minimizes bad behaviour by the left.
Find me one post by a democratic senator or housemember about Charlie Kirk similar to what Mike Lee posted about the assassination of the elected Minnesota lawmakers.
Also note Trump did not think those lawmakers murdered deserved the flags to be flown at half staff, even for a day.
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Republican Sen. Mike Lee of Utah took down X posts Tuesday making an apparent connection between Gov. Tim Walz and the man accused of shooting two Minnesota lawmakers and their spouses, and blaming “Marxists” for the murders. The change comes after blowback from Sen. Tina Smith and her staffers as well as Minnesota Democratic and Republican lawmakers.
One X post said “Nightmare on Waltz Street,” with pictures of Boelter, who is accused of killing Minnesota Rep. Melissa Hortman and her husband, Mark, and shooting Sen. John Hoffman and his wife, Yvette, in the early morning hours of June 14. Boelter also went to the homes of two other state lawmakers that night; one house was empty, and at the other, a police officer pulled up to the house shortly after Boelter arrived, so Boelter left.
Another Lee post read, “This is what happens When Marxists don’t get their way,” with a picture of Boelter.
also perhaps helpful as your media bubble may not share facts with you:
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its not a left or right question and also he was promoting the current governments political views and supporting genocide
Probably not your intention but this comment sounds like justification for his murder
nope, i am saying that there are situations when you have to choose between 1 death or 100k death, and which choice is more ethical and if you are promoting death in front of a large audience, there is a big chance that you are also causing death, and not only 1
for example: when hitler died would you said that it is very sad that this person died, he had a family, rest in peace hitler?
An equivalent case could be made for killing vocal pro-choice speakers because their speaking might cause the deaths of many pre-birth babies.
I don’t believe Charlie was pro death of innocents in any case.
Comparing him to hitler who was explicitly and absolutely pro death is false equivalence.
I think I understand what you’re trying to say though.
im glad i could explain it and yes i was just trying to find a radical example so it is more demonstrative, so yeah its difficult to find a grood example, but everybody knows hitler and kind of has similar opinions (most of the time)
Yeah he spoke a lot of good values. And he was logical and fair. Many got angry that they couldn’t make rational arguments against him.
I just hope whoever cowardly killed him finds Jesus before they meet Jesus. I can’t imagine the haunting conscience they must have now after killing a good man. As Judas did.
You are still missing the point.
They want us to keep fighting with each other in the name of left and right.
The real enemy is the one you can't publicly criticize and everyone knows who is that foreign entity is.
This foreign entity wants big government to control us.
Agreed. Demons walk among us. True evil exists in this world.
Great news.
It's a very good day.
It's OK to kill Jews, and it's very OK to kill Jew-lovers.
The United States doesn't have a right wing. They're in the closet, hiding from the Jew and its nauseating boyfriends, the Marxists.
All Jew-lovers are Marxists. There are no exceptions to this rule. It is a golden rule.
Kirk was a leftist, a radical internationalist, a devoted Marxist and an incorrigible lover of the Yid parasite.
All hail the liquidator.
Great news.
It's a very good day.
It's OK to kill Jews, and it's very OK to kill Jew-lovers.
The United States doesn't have a right wing. They're in the closet, hiding from the Jew and its nauseating boyfriends, the Marxists.
All Jew-lovers are Marxists. There are no exceptions to this rule. It is a golden rule.
Kirk was a leftist, a radical internationalist, a devoted Marxist and an incorrigible lover of the Yid parasite.
All hail the liquidator.
We’ve got our women and children to protect. Giddyup!
What evidence do you have that the guy is a radical—or any other kind of—leftist?
Authorities are claiming to have recovered a rifle wrapped in a towel in the woods near the shooting and they believe this to be the weapon used in the murder. Allegedly there were three unfired rounds still in the rifle and there were leftist slogans written on the casings
source? Press conference this morning didn't give details on rounds and writings on gun.
Wall Street Journal reported it first and I am seeing it in Reuters and elsewhere.
Exactly. Key word is allegedly. What is the source?
It’s reported widely but I think WSJ had it first. Regardless, if you’re skeptical about convenient facts, I share your sentiment
well, the facts are that the shot would not have taken a pro sniper to do, just a someone trained adequately, 200 yards is not a hard distance with a scope and a 303 or 308 cal and by the amount of superficial damage i'm betting they were hollowed, also likely the bullet hit his shoulderblade and again, this seems indicative of the bullet being an expanding tip of some sort. probably not a FMJ.
remote control assassins is pretty much proven, i saw a video where a hypnotist demonstrated doing it, using hypnosis to train the shooter really quickly (which was part of the go signal trigger) and the individual "blanked out" while they were doing it. so, yeah, hypnotising someone to shoot on a signal is easy to do, and someone with susceptibility to hypnosis, very easy to implant all the ideas to write all that stuff, the manifesto, the bullet engravings, etc.
meanwhile, the people who orchestrate it sit comfortably distant while their wingnut takes the heat for them.
OR, the evidence was created like this in order to mislead the investigators, that seems more likely, and that the shooter was a trained covert operative, a mercenary, who was given loads of money and help and guarantees to escape without being found. either way, it's covert ops, spooks, and psychological operations, one on the public, the other on the shooter and the public.
I agree with your assessment that the shooter did not have to be particularly skilled and also on the very real possibility that this has been orchestrated in some way. However we shouldn’t rule out the possibility that it really is just a lone individual heavily influenced by years of hysterical left-wing propaganda thinking he’s doing a good deed by taking out a bad guy. I’m not ruling out shadow individuals and deep state organizations but let’s not overlook the damage that has been done by regime media and the increasingly shrill culture that nowadays counts as “mainstream”
I just saw that. WSJ normally a reliable source, but it’s still early.
Very early. And who knows what to believe about anything these days.
That’s unnecessarily cynical.
Well, I believe Charlie Kirk was a real person and that he was killed and I believe that killing was utterly wrong. Beyond that, it’s very hard to know what information can be trusted about the specifics of this event. With these high profile killings, everyone has an agenda and they’re either actively pushing it— perhaps with deliberate misinformation or at the very least they may be letting their bias influence their narrative so that they appear more confident than they really are when asserting what they claim to know
I can relate. That’s why we need to consult reliable sources and wait for police to do their job.
Agreed. But I think that no specific source is always reliable so it’s a lot more work than I feel like it used to be to decide on what is true. I think the best we can do nowadays is triangulate based on multiple sources after having made sure that they’re not all simply echoing one source
Or maybe you've become much more aware of the need to triangulate because all information is partial.
I think it’s both. It really did used to be easier for people in our society to agree on narrative and also, as you say, there was always a need to triangulate because indeed all information is partial
Information follows a Pareto distribution: 90 percent of the information comes from 10 percent of the sources. Prior to the internet and mobile phones, that meant a few TV networks and local radio stations and newspapers. It used to cost tens of dollars for a long distance phone call; now it’s basically free. Now the outliers can broadcast their messages. In some cases, they’re valuable. But there are a lot of wing nuts out there. There have always been conspiracy theories, for instance, but now they have a global community and can talk to each other.
Yes the bullet engravings have been reported on... but if true it sure seems fishy as heck if you ask me.
Oh I share your sentiment
Feels like Intel or foreign gov trying to start civil war.
Sure does. But let’s be honest. At this point in the breakdown of our national society it’s also entirely possible that some angry young individual was so bought into the leftist propaganda that he thought he was doing a good thing
Hello, care to chat a little?
It seems safer to just etch such ideas into the ether here on Nostr. No one can censor you, no one can shoot you in the neck, and everyone can comment and attack your ideas (or, if they are good ideas, get swayed by your ideas).
