Nostr Web Client

Top of my list!

utxo the webmaster 🧑‍💻 1y ago

Minibits.cash

See requirement 1

. 1y ago

Minibits is just as easy as making a nostr account.

Open app

select ln address name

Select a mint

How do they get sats to pay for food?

. 1y ago

How does a new ln wallet get sats?

Some allow you to buy bitcoin.

. 1y ago

But not in NY right?

Correct, not in NY. BTC needs to be swapped in.

Michael S Wildcard ✨ 😶‍🌫️🗽⚡ 1y ago

Sounds like a great part time gig being a money changer...

Neal 1y ago

That's the one I'm using.

neal@minibits.cash

What replies do you expect beyond nostr:npub1getal6ykt05fsz5nqu4uld09nfj3y3qxmv8crys4aeut53unfvlqr80nfm hub

Just had a thought - instead of bar tabs, alby hub friends and family connections. It's kind of a reverse tab since the patrons would pay up front, but then they have a lightning balance that theyre spending at the bar or can take anywhere else (until you rug them to teach them "not your node, not your sats")

Alby Hub is fantastic, but the setup process is a LOT for someone sitting at a bar. Plus it’s still invite-only.

Not if they just download alby go and you send them a nwc string. Probably the easiest onboarding i can think of, but I'm sure you don't want to be a custodian

Absolutely not.

What's the difference between that and a gift card? (Except that one is awesome) #weneedalawyer

An MSB license.

That's just semantics (and legal fees, and maybe jail time)

saunter 1y ago

Check out nostr:npub1xv8mzscll8vvy5rsdw7dcqtd2j268a6yupr6gzqh86f2ulhy9kkqmclk3x you're not the only one with this idea :D

bumi 1y ago

yes! I thinks those ideas are the exciting ones. with lightning we can do much cooler stuff than just to scan some code and pay.

check in at the bar and each drink will just automatically be charged with NWC… they will not pay upfront, the bar can request a payment and has a budget…

(if your bar rugs you then you’re for sure in the wrong bar. I also expect my bar to serve me decent drinks ;) )

Melvin Carvalho 1y ago

Open Tabs :)

Ronin 1y ago

There's no strike and cashaapp in NY?

Nathan 1y ago

Nope

Cash App is nerfed, no Lightning.

No Strike at all.

Kyle 1y ago

nostr:npub1ajlrwgfj4yerhqf7ady03h7wmtk2qr3gs7h3sxcx83k05yld36sswpzx3q but customers will need to purchase Bitcoin first, send it to the wallet address, and move the on chain sats to lightning before using. Non custodial wallet and you cannot buy bitcoin in the wallet UI. Too many steps? 😬

So many steps.

Kyle 1y ago

I tried. Damn, this is a hard list to make. I don’t think it’s possible without the wallets that have been excluded from the running. Then again, I’m still a newb so I’m probably wrong. 🤷‍♂️

Here’s what I’ve got so far… tell me this won’t make a new user’s head spin.

⚡️ LIGHTNING WALLETS ⚡️

Coinos.io

https://coinos.io

Fastest setup, custodial web wallet

Zeus

https://zeusln.com

Self custodial “Node in the Phone”

Also pairs with external nodes

Breez

https://breez.technology

Self custodial Lightning

Muun

https://muun.com

Self custodial on-chain and Lightning

Alby Hub

https://getalby.com/

Self custodial web-based node and wallet

Requires an invite code

Cloud version has monthly subscription fee but can also be installed for free on user hardware

Pairs with Zeus or Alby Go companion app:

https://albygo.com

Aqua

https://aquawallet.io

On-chain bitcoin/Liquid to Lightning wallet - Self custodial

Fedi

https://fedi.xyz

Community-based Ecash/Lightning wallet

eNuts

https://enuts.cash

Custodial Cashu Ecash/Lightning wallet

iOS only

Minibits

https://minibits.cash

Custodial Cashu Ecash/Lightning wallet

Android only

For non-NY residents:

Strike

https://strike.me

Custodial wallet - works in NY

Does not allow NY residents to sign up

Primal

https://primal.net

Custodial Lightning wallet and Nostr client- works in NY

Does not allow NY residents to sign up

Kyle 1y ago

Great list! Thanks for putting this together 🤝

But you still can’t buy Bitcoin directly from these wallets. The only work around would be customers with no bitcoin receive sats from someone who already has sats (a friend they came with or other patrons) on lightning that they would then send to the new wallet address.

This would be a quick and easy way to introduce someone to Bitcoin!

In New York, buying bitcoin is mostly limited to a small handful of approved exchanges, mainly Coinbase, Gemini, and Cash App, plus ATMs like LibertyX.

Juan 🍁 1y ago

aqua/bull bitcoin wallet is probably your best bet TBH.

Not lightning, I know ... and the payments aren't quite as fast as lightning due to the liquid aspect... but they do work

but now you'll have to explain liquid hahaha.. can't win

It’s hard for me to recommend based on experience.

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Juan 🍁 1y ago

Only hiccup I've had was when I tried ecash straight to aqua and vice-versa in the early days. since then been good.

that said, it's not my daily go-to. Mostly use it to loop back into lightning if sender doesnt have it... And to play around of course.

Coinos just works as well. full custodial but no app required and no initial setup needed.

just go to a webpage and you're ready.

Ron Denham 1y ago

Aqua is super easy. No paperwork.

Maybe Coinos.io would be good here. Sadly the best or easiest to use wallets are banned in NYS. Also try speed.app

Does Primal wallet activate with a NYS IP address / location?

Tbh any cashu wallet like ENuts, Minibits or Cashu.me would be best

These are super easy to setup and use. Everything is still lightning sats. Very easy and intuitive for noobs.

I've on boarded several folks directly to ecash and they send SATs no problem.

But if they need to get on-chain into Cashu/Ecash they still need to use nostr:npub1psm37hke2pmxzdzraqe3cjmqs28dv77da74pdx8mtn5a0vegtlas9q8970 which is a terrible mobile UX.

I do agree with you there; seamless onchain to lightning is very hard to do like a Phoenix, WoS, etc.

Best I'd say is a Breez, but not sure how on chain works there anymore

Confirmed, Breez is still awesome.

Lightning & onchain work great

Self-custodial

Built-in apps to buy services, including buy Bitcoin no KYC with azteco

Great job nostr:nprofile1qqsvjdqxakpvyvgpnncajecq3p8aahcl04dr973k3vgtycxvdyv0fggpzemhxue69uhk2er9dchxummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgcwaehxw309ahx7um5wghxvmt59emkj73wvf5h5tcpremhxue69uhkummnw3ez6ur4vgh8wetvd3hhyer9wghxuet59u9athfh been using your wallet since 2019 BitBlockBoom when nostr:nprofile1qqstn8du5qvy5vkw2kgyevn8kghyxjpre9l5rrekmt6a9hlsm4a4cfcpr9mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctv9ucv0v8d did his lightning workshop

I Need to use Breez more!

You guys are making me take another look at Breez, which is probably the first or second Lightning wallet I ever used. I still remember how confused I was at the beginning, not understanding the relationship between on-chain transactions and channels, and I try to remember that when I think about onboarding new users.

Nathan 1y ago

Zeus

Love Zeus and recommend it, but setting up the embedded LND node and opening a channel can be a bit time-consuming.

EMoney 1y ago

I did it with nostr:npub12vkcxr0luzwp8e673v29eqjhrr7p9vqq8asav85swaepclllj09sylpugg and I’m not very smart

Primal uses Strike so New York residents can’t sign up for it, though some people have discovered a workaround.

TKay 1y ago

What happened to nostr:npub1l2vyh47mk2p0qlsku7hg0vn29faehy9hy34ygaclpn66ukqp3afqutajft implementation of eCash?

Why was it developed if no one wants it?

PABLOF7z 1y ago

There’s a ton of different implementations!

These things take time to become available everywhere, the NIP hasn’t even been merged yet!

Patience!

TKay 1y ago

It’s a very good idea. It would be a shame it doesn’t help in those type of situations where people cant get wallets.

Charlie Crown 1y ago

Alby PWA

Requires an invite code and new users have to set up Alby Hub which is not something you can easily do on a phone.

Jimmy 1y ago

Why would cash app require a VPN? I've used it a lot without a VPN.

It doesn’t, but New York residents don’t even see the Lightning feature because it’s disabled.

Jimmy 1y ago

Oh that crazy New York law, forgot about that.

Merlin 1y ago

This looks promosing . Dont know their NY policy https://lifpay.me/en/

BitBees 1y ago

AQUA (but they betta write down their keys and it’s a real pain if you’re drinking in a bar).

BeOG 1y ago

facts. It was really tripping out on me as of late. All in all a great tool

Séimí Mac Síomón 1y ago

Strike doesn't work in NY without a VPN?

It works without a VPN but you can’t sign up for it if you are a New York resident because you will fail KYC.

TheBitcoinBattery 1y ago

Why do New Yorkers fail KYC?

Because of this dude.

Séimí Mac Síomón 1y ago

Oh! I thought it was nationwide in the states.

Séimí Mac Síomón 1y ago

Mallers own stomping ground no less.

nostr:npub1ajlrwgfj4yerhqf7ady03h7wmtk2qr3gs7h3sxcx83k05yld36sswpzx3q nostr:npub1jugar2agq6369p0l86razavs9shj2p6pscxecevs8j94ap37hkqsjlfc28

Behold the magic of federalism.

Dani 1y ago

I’ve seen multiple Aqua to Lightning payments fail in a real-world environment.

Breez is on my list but how easy is it to get on-chain into Lightning without a third party service?

Dani 1y ago

Great points

Structural Malaise 1y ago

I used Zues connected to Alby Hub. but really just have them use Aqua

https://apps.apple.com/ca/app/lifpay/id1645840182

I’ve seen multiple issues with Aqua payments failing. It’s a challenge to recommend that one.

Hozzel Rocket 1y ago

Ok I don’t feel like a complete moron anymore.

node 1y ago

Lifpay maybe? I remember using this one for zaps at some point

node 1y ago

⚡️ᗪㄖ匚⚡️ 1y ago

What’s DJTs wallet of choice?

Yours.

⚡️ᗪㄖ匚⚡️ 1y ago

Yup… every politicians favorite 😭

I’m a huge fan of Breez and have been using it for about a year without issues. But no NWC or Lightning address.

CoinOS is good, but I’m worried about onboarding new users to it bc of a WoS situation. I remember listening to the founders on a podcast discuss how they wanted to move towards users self hosting their own CoinOS instance in order to move away from a custodial wallet.

Primal doesn’t work in NY?

nostr:nevent1qqs89575ccq6ws0gugzz4tcpgk8e6ghmznrwpe3039gzt47dqkm2ytspz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7q3qaeh2zw4elewy5682lxc6xnlqzjnxksq303gwu2npfaxd49vmde6qxpqqqqqqzsm3xdy

I’m with you. There’s a huge gap in understanding for most people, but this exercise is mainly about showing people how to quickly make a payment. I’m starting to gravitate toward Breez as the most effective solution under these circumstances.

And Primal “works” but if you try to register with New York as your location, it won’t allow you.

nolim1t 1y ago

Amazing how all the #Bitcoin conferences are in the United States, yet its very hostile towards Bitcoin itself.

Blissful Sats 1y ago

I like coinos wallet

Sondre | satoshiconsult.com 1y ago

To fulfill requirement 1, nostr:npub13ljnkd633c7maxatymv3y2fqq8vt3qk7j3tt0vytv90eztwgha9qmfcfhw is a great option

https://www.blink.sv

BTheCoin 1y ago

That's awesome! 🙌 There are a lot of folks out there who could really use this info. Excited to see the wallet recommendations you come up with! Keep it up! ⚡️🍻 #AskNostr

https://darth-coin.github.io/beginner/getting-started-stack-sats-en.html

For your minimal requirements and taking in consideration that starting from zero is not so easy, I would recommend this guide for total noobs:

Brian 1y ago

Alby has changed since you first made this Darth

I know... I am preparing a new guide about Alby.

Looking forward to this!

https://stacker.news/items/701233

As I promise here it is:

on Stacker News

and on my substack

https://darthcoin.substack.com/p/getting-started-alby-hub

Nicely written. I’m running two instances of Alby Hub, one on my Umbrel node and one on Alby Cloud, but I want to move the cloud version to my own Apache/Linux web server. Do you think that would be an easy migration?