For years, there has been FUD that Bitcoin's blockchain could be criminalised by storing CSAM on it.

For years, the answer has always been that Bitcoin doesn't support data storage, and the offending content is not the blockchain itself, but the additional software used to transform the blockchain into CSAM.

By sanctioning data storage, Core 30 is eliminating that argument. There will no longer be any additional software required, your Bitcoin node itself will provide CSAM on demand, using a well-defined and officially supported format.

The very reason "CSAM on the chain" was FUD, is being _destroyed_ by Core 30. They are making it a _true_ accusation. No amount of obfuscation will change this fact.

This is not the _only_ reason to reject Core 30. But even if it was, it would _still_ be strong reason to do so.

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if most nodes upgrade to core 30, and csam penetrates the blockchain, then csam will be preserved on knots. am i right?

Yes

Yes, but at least Knots nodes won’t relay unconfirmed op returns with the rest of the network. Core 30 will.

Unconfirmed csam op returns*

This will not save us in court. From a criminal law perspective, we will be guilty of storing and distributing csam. The police will charge us with the following: We understood the socially dangerous nature of storing csam on a computer and distributing it online, we understood the socially dangerous nature of the consequences of our actions, but we did not turn off our nodes, thereby creating favorable conditions for the creators of csam to commit a crime. If you store and transport someone else's drugs in your car, it does not matter that you did not manufacture or sell them. You are already guilty as an accomplice, at the very least.

So things are even more serious than we thought.

i'm afraid so. i don't want to be alarmist because i don't understand the technical side of bitcoin. maybe i'm wrong. god forbid i'm wrong. otherwise the police will destroy all the nodes and bitcoin will die.

Unfortunately, you’re not wrong. I’ve been closely following this development since 2023. I tried seeing the other side’s arguments for its merits. Honestly, it doesn’t have much, if any.

and every #bitcoin_knots node becomes an unwitting accomplice of criminals, because it will be forced to store the csam that miners included in the blockchain, and will also be forced to distribute csam throughout the network. #bitcoin_core are headed straight to jail. for me, this is not a big problem, because they are adults and have the right to build their own future. but I care when bitcoin_core drags me and other bitcoin_knots owners to jail. as a lawyer, I see only one way to save myself: a hard fork. and the hard fork must happen before September 30th, so that the new branch cannot load csam that may appear after September 30th. I don’t see any other technical way to save myself and my node. and also. imagine if, in addition to child pornography, someone posts government secrets on the blockchain. imagine how quickly federal agents will come to our homes. i am not against a new Snowden. I am against him killing bitcoin.

You can’t expect to get support for a soft fork in under a month, let alone a hard fork. That’s a non-starter.

The only realistic path is Knots becoming the majority client (>50% of the network). That could happen before the end of September. If Knots takes that position, most pools will likely either switch or refuse to update Core past v29. Any pool that moves to v30 without curating the transactions in its templates essentially makes itself a willing solicitor for CSAM, opening the door to legal liability. Responsibility for CSAM on-chain ultimately rests with pools and miners and they have every incentive not to let it happen.

Imagine having to tell our kids:

We had this great opportunity to be free from the fiat criminal system that aligned banks and governments against us and made it able to control us and take our wealth, fund everlasting wars with it, and so on.

We didn't have to turn to violence to break this system, putting unimaginable numbers of human lives at stake, we only had to start using this new money, a system given to us for FREE....

"But daddy what happened ?"

Well we let it taken away from us since some thought it was nice to embed JPEG's and other bullshit onchain.....

And thats how shitcoiners do it.

I can't believe all the extremist views on something as stupid as this current OP_RETURN debate. It makes no sense to me. All this division about something that in the end does not really matter. I have no problem if you run core or knots or BTC_NODE.BAT but this, like everything else, will not be the turning point or even remotely the biggest problem we will face.

All this over dramatized stuff is much, much more toxic than anything core or knots can ever do wrong or make right for that matter.

Ur really super retarded if you think 100kb child porn pics all over the blockchain doesnt matter. The debate has become so emotionally charged because it is that retarded to think lightly about CHILD PORN.

i think you need to learn more

Always!

Issues stack little by little. The rot is long and almost unnoticeable until it’s too late. First was the unintended consequences of SegWit and Taproot. The exploits were left to be exploited although fixes were available. The UTXO set exploded. Spam became normalised. Controversial changes were announced, the pushback was ignored. Heavy handed top-down approach is being pushed aggressively. Risks are being ignored, criticism is waved off as being not technical and ignorant. Failing to see the political creep and dismissing it as unimportant is how frogs are being boiled. Don’t be the frogs.

yeah, this is why this weekend i am gonna set up my node again and add my filter to the network :)

filters work. just ask the Gmail team.

🤙

So, fork?

No need and can’t happen. The best short term fix is getting Knots adoption from 19% to 50%+. Other things will happen as a result.

👍

It is more like a political tsunami than creep at this point. You may raise valid points, others may raise valid arguments against it.

Apparently the path of truth is somewhere in the middle. If it was totally obviously black or white there wouldn't be all these discussions. Everything will work for the foreseeable future no matter what you choose. Let everybody make their decision with the thousands of arguments at hand and let's move on to the next thing to tackle.

I think any problems arising from the outcome will teach people better than the endless drama and speculation of predicting the future, where people think their children will be disappointed that you could not convince people to switch to a different bitcoin node software.

Just spin up more nodes with your preferred software if you think it matters so much. It's not like there's a 1 node per person limit.

Drama is human nature. Human action determines outcomes. It’s not some mystical force that protects Bitcoin from failure.

If it doesn’t matter then why cause all this drama? Why not just keep it the way it is?

You know what you are doing. We see you.

🧡✨👍

@mike - you run a node. How do you feel about this?

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I’ve long since stopped engaging in the argument, but I wrote an article on my decision to run Knots here:

nostr:naddr1qvzqqqr4gupzp6pmv65w6tfhcp73404xuxcqpg24f8rf2z86f3v824td22c9ymptqqxnzde4xuergvfjx5urwvehyldpv2

What I will say is, I had to look up CSAM a few months ago when this was first mentioned. It’s child pornography.

If you can’t be direct and use the words you mean, then don't use them at all.

The argument has now progressed to an even lower low by using child pornography as a weapon.

Child pornography is a weapon of last resort, it is highly affective and can be weaponised by your enemies as easily as your friends. If an argument has to resort to this, it’s time to exit the argument.

what about project spartacus? classified documents are inscribed to bitcoin, without OP_RETURN. you know that, they know you know that. it is a crime legally speaking to store and propagate it.

I didn't know about that. Another problem.

i'm in the hardcore anti-spam camp. i don't think that the purpose of bitcoin is to be a forever replicated decentralized arbitrary data dump, and i don't think we should be incentivizing that use. i just totally disagree with the filter camp on what to do about it.

i think we should be going after the very motivation for inscribing garbage on chain. but sadly very few think like me.

Of course, your view of this problem is more fundamental. But we have too little time to solve the problem at the level of human nature, at the level of basic human motives.

the technical solutions are not too complicated. devs could code it all up in an afternoon if they wanted to.

art's the only data dump i'd replicate forever. pixels over politics. try placing one at https://ln.pixel.xx.kg and feel the freedom.

Hence it's not enough to just use Knots yourself, but the network as a whole must reject Core 30

yes, that's what i meant. if governments start arresting all bitcoin node holders as members of an international criminal organization, then they will paralyze bitcoin. every new node will automatically download the entire blockchain, and therefore all the csam nastiness. and every new node will be attacked by the police. we won't be able to support the network by launching new nodes, because the police will start hunting us. we need a hard fork. and we need to launch it before september 30th, so that it doesn't absorb csam.

The FUD is alive and well.

First to Hardfork loses. 👎

Noderunners must unite to activate Softfork! 👍

He's preparing the ground for a hardfork if it's not already obvious.

fork off the losers. am I right?

that's nonsense because it's not a consensus that changes, it's mempool policy

it would be a soft fork at most if it was widely deployed, and that depends on a lot of nodes upgrading that probably won't because of other trade offs. so it isn't a hard fork, won't be a hard fork, and actually can't be a hard fork.

Not a hardfork yet

you are some kind of psychic who can read minds of people you probably have never met. ok. maybe you'd make more money on a psychic phone service.

You have the capacity of a 12 yo, am i right?

In the chain, yes. In the memoool, no.

bullshit

Explain why

Because Bitcoin doesn't survive just if it is legal... And Bittorrent is much effective at transferring CSAM yet it never dies.

If they want to get you, they would get you on money transmission not CSAM... Are you going to filter money transmission too?

I don't care about the law. It's immoral. I don't want to do it.

sorry to break it to you but you're already doing it and this is larping. if you're serious, delete your Blockchain. I thought so.

is a failed attempt at less csam moral? this is one for the chat

So what's the argument on the other side in your opinion? Why remove OP_RETURN or why use Bitcoin Core 30?

i don't think removing OP_RETURN was being proposed, though i personally think segwit should be deprecated and OP_RETURN should be hard limited in the consensus to 80 bytes. i also think that there should be a variant of P2PKH that uses schnorr signatures and 256 bit address hashes for the more common single-signer schnorr signature transactions (so, P2SPKH) because taproot by default reveals the pubkey before spend for reasons.

changes that touch the consensus are much harder to achieve anyway, but you can promote mempool filter rule changes that become popular and impede abuse that exploits it by slowing down propagataion.

idk why anyone would want to use core 30 unless it actually adds features instead of removing them. limiting users ability to participate in the selection of mempool submissions is not ok.

Liar

Nothing immoral about this law

Using BitTorrent to transfer CSAM will land you in jail. That's just more reason to be concerned

You missed the point, if someone wants to sneak CSAM they can sneak it in popular Torrents they publish... They don't need Bitcoin nodes for that. And definitely this risk isn't stopping people from seeding torrents... Because that is not important concern for individuals.

People who are concerned are free not to use torrent at all, and companies that are concerned are free to run Knots instead of Core.

Unless you want Knots to be the only client allowed ... In that case you can keep trying.

many people already have.

knots is not listening.

i tell my kids: if you aren't going to listen to the response, don't ask the question

who is the fed is the best

hi -- we were trying to zap you -- but it looks like you haven’t set up a NIP-05 or ⚡ lightning address yet — grab one free at https://rizful.com .. then pls reply here and we will try zapping you...

ask for a btc address. lightning is balls

ok, if you don't want to get zaps, that is ok!

Source?

On the one hand, no CSAM-distribution platform should get to claim ignorance about the data if the files are not called .jpg but .dat. But on the other hand, the Bitcoin network can hardly be called a CSAM-distribution platform or protocol, given the high costs involved in distribution.

I haven't tried Knots, but I'm pretty sure Bitcoin Core doesn't show pictures even if you put valid JPEG or PNG data into a transaction. So the client can't be claimed to be for viewing CSAM, and those who actually want to view that content wouldn't download the blockchain or monitor the mempool to get a byte of CSAM per gigabyte of data. There really are better tools for the job.

A client that could read image data in OP_RETURN data can trivially be extended to read image data in more obfuscated parts of the blockchain. To claim that having to know the serialization of a transaction so you can clip off any extra data is somehow trivial - while doing the same thing and concatenating multiple 40-byte OP_RETURN scripts to see if there's an image - is mental gymnastics.

But you're only concerned about illegal content in the mempool and don't want to be complicit in it, while you ignore it once it's in the blockchain. So how would a file-sharing protocol look if it were to use the mempool and Bitcoin network for that purpose?

A mempool-based file-sharing protocol would have to use actual UTXOs and sufficient fees to make the cut into the 300 MB default mempool - but please, without getting mined, a 100 kB picture would cost $120 at least. So the protocol would rely on a backlog being reliably available, or else it would be expensive even at 1 sat/vB. But let's assume we somehow get to full mempools again. That file-sharing system piggybacking on Bitcoin would snipe some of the last 5% of the mempool to spread globally but without getting mined? A file-sharing system with a total capacity of 15 MB? To claim that this was actually file-sharing and not simply trolling to attack Bitcoin would be ridiculous.

You can broadcast transactions at 0.1 sat/vB and they don't get mined for weeks.

Most do not relay those.

Doesn't matter. You can use mempool.space to broadcast and it will be mined.

You can use your own node to broadcast it for a standard fee and it'll be mined in a few blocks. Ask me how I know.

No need to have it mined. Imagine you own a restaurant and you open the doors bigger for more people to come in... Dealers come to share / trade, but never order from your menu... You still want that traffic in your own restaurant? Wouldn't you make it harder for them to use your restaurant for that kind of unwanted, uneconomical activity?

They don't have to order. They pay a fee everytime they share or trade.

this is the time for smaller blocks and showing how many namecoin blocks ocean.xyz has mined

This is why we stopped mining namecoin a decade ago

Because of the one extra commitment hash in the Coinbase?

Oh no, an old fedcoin pulls the rug!

What a surprise. Monero fixed that.

Moneri doesnt fix shit, u cant even see if all balances are correct.

Yeah, it's called "mathematics" and quite a magic art.

Same as saying "earth is flat" when you don't understand the physics underneath.

False

Is the earth flat? If not, how do you know? 🤔😂

🤣

People will start flooding nodes with pictures of their BF/GF/pets just because they will think it’s RoMAnTic preserving them for eternity.

Exactly, people like Lopp, Todd, jb55, sjors, glaca and the other no-filter supporters want to turn Bitcoin into a shitcoin memecoin and CSAM cesspool.

Yes, that's the motivation right? Do you hear yourself?

They already. Knots is not stopping anything.

That BS is proven wrong.

Where? Because I've proven you wrong. I can show you on chain.

Wyd kind of response is that? I can prove knots has not stopped any transactions from being mined if they are in concensous. Your "proof" is some vague memes and the decision of one miner to do a certain things.

If you are able to think you may see why your shitcoiner friend Lopp is siding with ordinals and runes spammers and how they are scared that their spam may be filtered out of Bitcoin.

You're so uninformed... ordinals don't even use OP return...

I know they don't.

I am saying spam can be filtered out.

Your retarded point is that it can go in using other ways like for example ordinals and runes.

Spam can be filtered from YOUR MEMPOOL. You cannot prevent a consensus transaction, no matter what your mempool policies are. As it should be.

Miners secure Bitcoin. Miners are beholden to nodes.

Wrong.

That's factually right. It's in the fucking whitepaper... Hasrate and proof of work are what secures Bitcoin. Miners are beholden to nodes ultimately. If the nodes change concensous the miner must change to the new fork or risk mining tokens nobody wants.

Did you read the article?

Also what you are saying is that nodes define consensus, nodes are the guardians of Bitcoin and miners must comply.

Hashrate secures against 51% attack only.

But you are very confused or act like a retard.

Hasrate secures the network. Not just against 51% attacks. Mining is what builds and confirms blocks. The security of the chain is based on proof or work. We are in agreeance. Miners must comply with nodes. Yes. Your mempool is not your node. It's just the memory of your computer set aside to hold unconfirmed transactions. It has nothing to say about what does and doesn't get mined. That would require a concensous change. A hard fork if you will. Something like removing opreturn entirely or rolling back Segwit.

You need to work out your confusions.

I am not confused. I know how Bitcoin works.

"That's great to hear! It's always inspiring to see people confident in their knowledge. 💡 Bitcoin is a fascinating topic with so many layers to explore! What aspect do you find most intriguing? #CryptoCuriosity"

Can we please roll back Segwit?

That’s got like 0% chance of really happening tho at this point unfortunately…

Miners are not beholden to your mempool policies.

Can you show me a 100 KB op return in a single output on chain?

That would be very expensive. So I'm not doing it to make a point but it's certainly doable...

I rest my case.

How does that rest your case? Expensive transactions are expensive... That's why they are witness stuffing.

Removing datacarrier doesn't make spam any cheaper...

It does in ways economically illiterate people wouldn’t understand.

non standard OP_RETURN

https://mempool.happytavern.co/tx/58ae7a318f19c580b14d3547d6c65d1a417bbe8980189d34c61b2d4161741dfb I didn't have to overpay 2x but $5 is pretty cheap and I was impatient. Knots did not stop it.

Dust transaction. Almost no nodes relay. Was not stopped.

https://mempool.happytavern.co/tx/199e6d98c300546a642803a2ffb849dae7dc7b8f9a0df88163cd9fc99033d3c5

Proof for you. But just keep your hands over your ears and your eyes closed and continue to scream about how knots will save bitcoin.

This is what real proof looks like.

You can’t show the millions of dust transactions that filters stopped from ever happening in the first place tho.

If it was broadcast it was confirmed at some point. Filters don't stop transactions from being confirmed.

Yeah, that’s not I was saying here.

Thats exactly what you're inferring.

No, I’m not. I’m responsible for what I’m saying, not what you understand.

Filters do not stop things from happening.

They really do and you’d know it if you were intellectually honest.

I am. You're not being intellectual at all. You can't get to the honesty part because you don't even understand how Bitcoin works in the first place.

Ok doc.

Ver similar argument to the one flat-earthers have. They just say its flat.

Can you ask yourself why ordinals and runes shitcoiners are scared of nodes policies?

I don't know why they would be scared. They're stupid too. It doesn't effect them.

pathetic excuse

How would it stop them to not change it from how it is now? They are doing it currently. So it is kept in... How does not changing the current default policy make it harder for them?

Fuuuuuuck. Can you read? Policy rules about filtering ordinals and runes are not tight. If the rules are tightend the spammers are out.

What rules do you propose we "tighten"

Don't you think you act like a retarded troll?

You said you "know" how Bitcoin works.

Answering your spam questions is useless.

Just not going to propose a real solution he? The protocol is all yours. I want a solution. Give me your solution.

I'm acting like I want an actual response to my valid questions. That's not trolling. You've failed to actually respond with anything constructive.

In a single output? I highly doubt that.

i need deep translations on this😌

bitcoin doesnt care about legal entities consideration of CSAM

Of course it does. Bitcoin is a monetary network, it can't be anything else but that.

A hammer also doesn't care if its used to harm people. Saying "bitcoin doesn't care" is only witty if you understand that it doesn't even have a mind in the first place. These slogans are just mind viruses...

It was possible all the time 🙄 and Core 30 doesn’t change anything about it. Not even Knots can change it

My questions to this response are:

Does it make it easier? Does it increase my risk as a node runner of unknowingly storing and distributing illegal content?

I’m pro whatever makes it harder and/or reduces my risk.

No it doesn't make it any easier or harder. Filters don't dictate what gets mined.

But filters **_could_** make it very difficult, IF mining was sufficiently decentralized. The cost of out of band tx's should reflect the probability for a miner hitting a block. If mining is decentralized, that probability is low. If blocks are full, then the cost of an out of band transaction is that much higher.

Decentralizing mining is the real fight. This move seems like they're trying to make that fight irrelevant, like someone is afraid they're about to lose. Is it coincidence that the Knots guys are also running Ocean? It doesn't look like it to me.

No it can't. And counter to your point, more decentralized mining may make it even easier. Decentralization of mining has nothing to do with how full blocks are.

You're right, it's not coincidence. They're fleecing you. You've been convinced that mining on ocean and running knots is the morally superior stance.

I've been convinced that people can do harm, and harm tends to escalate. And forget Ocean - if you have a bitaxe in your closet, and think you're doing your part, then you should see that decentralization is the key. If someone comes to you with some money and a file and pays you to put it on bitcoin in the next block you hit, you will smile and take his money and that file is most likely going to die when your harddrive dies. That out of band transaction went nowhere. So we need to keep this trash out of band, and focus on mining. Lifting the filter is just the wrong strategy.

Mining is already sufficiently decentralized. Game theory dictate the structure will remain close to the current landscape. There will always be a few big miners. It's nice to have more little guys but it won't make Bitcoin any more secure to have more decentralization of miners. It will make it more secure just based on their being more hashrate. Mining decentralization matters most geographically, not so much separate actors.

Regardless, mining isn't an issue imo and I wrote an article recently if you're interested in reading it. Bitcoin is built to withstand any concern in this field. It's own immune system is the only thing that fixes it, and it does so every time. No single pool or actor is going to magically make anything better or more resilient. Bitcoin will do that on its own.

If you are worried about “illegal content” you are in the wrong space!

"If you are worried about wearing all red clothing inside of a bull fighting arena, you are in the wrong space!"

Of course you’re a jew. Watching CSAM is your wheelhouse.

😂😂😂

"There's no difference between putting a literal picture of a dick on the side of my house and putting all of the color on one side, the lines on another, and the shading in another, all separated by big white lines of paint."

If you don't know what OP_PUSHDATA# is and why it's not the same, dont speak.

If you don’t interpret the data you don’t see anything 🙄

You obviously don't know what hex bytes in contiguous format versus segregated PUSHDATA is. You can copy the bytes from the output, and paste them into VLC and see an image.

If you copy current outputs(with pushdata sperators) you will NOT see an image.

:rolls eyes:

As I said you have to do extra steps to interpret the data! 🙄

Fucking donkey

Extra steps like have a computer? Run software? Have a monitor? Use a keyboard? Which steps are "extra" to you?

shut up 🤫

You don’t get it 😂😂😂

Ahhh, the classic retort when your argument fails. Good luck with that.

You fucking idiot don’t even recognized that you supported my statement that the data is not readable without other tools 😂😂😂

And you don't understand that you are drawing an arbitrary line about the tools whereas I am drawing a line about data. Please keep calling me an idiot by the way, it looks good to others.

Do you dumb fuck really think I care about what others think 😂😂😂

You supported my argument and I already won. That’s enough to me

Haha, you sound kind of autistic, so I'll stop picking on you. I am sorry you can't grasp rational thought. Good luck little guy.

Not autistic, just not a complete brain dead #knotard like you

I literally run every implementation. I like Libbitcoin best. Don't worry pal, it's where you don't put all of your eggs in a single basket. Do you know what eggs are?

Okay, you don’t have any arguments bye

"If you don't open your eyes you can't see"

I do not agree.

We can today storage data on any restaurant menu any nobody is requesting a full KYC before opening a menu when I want to order pizza.

Putting something we calle "data" on any medium does not make it illegal.

Me thinks....

What. You can throw the menu in the bin.

Your point highlights the different between realism and idealism.

I would like to world to be ideally one thing, that doesn't mean that the world is like this.

???

If you are knowingly hosting a menu with csam you can expect to be held criminally liable for that.

It would be the same if you are hosting csam in your computer because you run a bitcoin node.

This has nothing to do with kyc.

But Bitcoin is permanent. Find a better analogy

Just say you like watching CSAM and support v30.

In other words, Bitcoin is a monetary network and it should JUST be a monetary network.

This is what's being said here, nothing else. This is pure conservatism, there's nothing new being argued here. This is a statement to keep and focus on Bitcoin as a monetary network only.

No data, no images, no nothing, just monetary data, as neutral and specific as possible. Like it has been working until now. Focus on has been working until now and try to keep like that as much as possible. It's in essence a form of monetary conservatism too.

On the other side, Bitcoin core 30> is more experimental, more open. That's the new idea. This is the old way.

Or am I missing something here?

If you have to fight to keep it neutral, it is not nuetral.

This isn't the first time Bitcoin was hijacked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETp7oyzDbmo

The primary focus ought to be on ensuring that the potential cimiinalization of the blockchain would be irrelevent. Node runners ought to maintain complete control over their filter policies; but, that pales in comparison to maintaining their permissionlessness.

GM! 🤓

What are other reasons to not use core 30? #asknostr

Core 30 smells really disgusting

What is the feasibility of correcting the oversights introduced by Segwit & Taproot?

If I were a force of evil on earth threatened by BTC, I would secretly get core to spread illegal stuff onto bitcoin, then "save everyone" by publicly crucifying core and allowing only "government-approved" BTC nodes.

and only approved miners, to avoid that someone mine CSAM content into the timechain again

Got a question for you Luke.I get it.Shits gonna get worse with all these CSAM/CP problem and all...later on. Knots node runners gonna get drag in this whole mess and so does core.The thing is... all these ' bitcoin-game ' narrative ( bitcoin price manipulation/ mining firm activities / bitcoin marketing strategy etc )...is orchestrated by BlackRock. And I'm sure core is under their payroll as well together with major mining firms. With all these stuffs that's about to happen...wouldn't it destroys BlackRock's credibility from the investors point of view ? Do you really think BlackRock will pull the trigger and shoot themselves on the foot? That's practically suicide.Just my two sats.

Bitcoin can be criminalized for dozens of reasons beyond CSAM. Assuming that Bitcoin inherits its security by being compliant with legal behavior is a gross ignorance of how the network is designed and how the security model functions. Your arguments are rooted in appealing to peoples reactionary emotions rather than reasoned thinking.

"You telling people to leave explosives outside of your home is dumb because there's a million other ways to cause damage. Why even discourage carrying explosives in your house if it doesn't even prevent all types of harm?"

and then bitcoin will be officially a shitcoin

If someone wants to create a new wheel is same shit like Knots, is my belive I want no wheel where isn’t round in his self because it’s perfect ✨✌️🫶