Holy shit it's working! Paid a 100k sats Lightning invoice from two different Cashu mints at the same time.

Enter atomic multinut payments.

https://video.nostr.build/935d5c453c00ae7498be116b9c4d4b358d326854fd7cf19ebfa782f69a575a6c.mp4

All Cashu wallets let you use multiple mints. To reduce rug risk, we encourage users to leave only small amounts on each mint. This introduces a big UX challenge which forces users to distribute funds on different mints in a smart way. It's particularly problematic when you're trying to pay a bigger Lightning invoice from your small balances. Who has time for that?

The Lightning protocol allows nodes to split a single payment HTLC into multiple parts to increase the chance of reaching the destination, called Multi-Path Payments (MPP). Typically, that's done from one sender to one receiver. What if... you can just break the rules?

A multinut payment originates from multiple Lightning nodes to pay a single invoice, atomically. Even if none of your mint balances can cover an invoice, as long as your total balance is large enough, you can pay the invoice.

I don't think anyone was crazy enough to do this before. Pretty sure what you see here is the first invoice being paid using a CLN and an LND node at the same time. Amazing work by the team, special thanks to nostr:nprofile1qqsw8lr88lzln8x92ng073m4v72kglf9edhxvk8eztg3ftny98f46dgpz4mhxue69uhkummnw3ezummcw3ezuer9wchsz9mhwden5te0wfjkccte9ehx7um5wghxyctwvshsz9mhwden5te0wfjkccte9ec8y6tdv9kzumn9wshsk9y93w.

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Very cool! Nice to see the wallet amounts becoming seriously larger amounts.

I tried this a few months back. I have a dangling code branch. Keen to give it a try again!

Multinut payments is the future for #cashu friend. It also helps integrate payments when you receive from different mints and don't have time to sort out the balances. It's a bit easier for the normie. Great work! 🥜

Very cool 😎 👌

nostr:npub1j8y6tcdfw3q3f3h794s6un0gyc5742s0k5h5s2yqj0r70cpklqeqjavrvg are you going to hold the record for the largest ecash zap as well?

It is. CLN and LND paying a single invoice together 🧑‍🤝‍🧑. Theoretically extendable to any number of mints.

Seems rather historical.

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Congratulations! Sounds super cool but I have honestly no idea what it means!! 👍

split an invoice on multiple mint

Thx!!

Multi-nut-verse

fucking gangsta

So it’s like I use money from Citibank, Bank of America, and Chase all at once to pay someone an amount that’s more than I have in each individual account? 🤯 Remind me why people still use banks? 🤡

This is arguably the biggest development in cashu, like, ever

I'm gonna be thinking about this all day if I'm honest

Kinda surprised that this took so long.

Kinda mindblown that this is even possible.

Path finding was a bit trickier than we thought!

I wonder if Hal had any idea that this was going to be possible when he first wrote about Bitcoin banks...

People don't realize how insanely cool Lightning is

But, but, muh HUb & SpoKE!

Lightning to the moon

Lightning is insanely capable and complex ...and also cool

I'm learning 🤙

I think it’s insanely cool but I’m trying to think how onboarding my non bitcoin friends would go mostly around the idea of having to set up a node and manage inbound outbound liquidity. I know there’s Zeus and LSPs but still there’s a lot of learning all the same really.

Cashu though, I think is pretty incredibly powerful for onboarding lightning and bitcoin “look here’s some digital ‘cash’ it’s actually real bitcoin, but not need to get technical right now” … next time “oh yea so here’s a few things you can do, go straight to full custody bitcoin by … etc etc”

I reckon gifting sats to my mates through cashu being my first attempt at onboarding them. Thanks nostr:npub12rv5lskctqxxs2c8rf2zlzc7xx3qpvzs3w4etgemauy9thegr43sf485vg

I do 🫡

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Thrill seeker.

noted

What NUT is this? Game changer!

This is nuts

Absolute game changer! 🔥

Lol

multinut is never bad

2 nuts are always better than one. 😅

Good work !

😅

any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic

I need to go down the ecash rabbithole

Yestr 💯 🎯

This is pretty awesome.

Great

Genio

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Awesome 💟

Is the payment compared on the client or do the mints have to be aware that this is happening?

Next cool step: spend USD or EUR balance first and only pay the missing part from sats balance.

(composed not compared)

im this years old

Would never trust the 90s gum after this

I’d knock out an entire pack in a single go.

this is nutts

Den Fortschritt von CashU verfolge ich geNÜSSlich!😎🚀

Also ich versteh das System nicht. Was soll der Vorteil sein?

Bringt doch nur Nachteile mit sich

Welche Nachteile?

Naja es ist ja leider nicht Self custodial, also wieder eine Abhängigkeit und ich muss meine btc tauschen. Double spending ist auch möglich. Klingt nicht gut.

massive

Especially when 100k = $1k

Multinut take my money

really wish you'd take the dev party off the telegram app. its so antithetical to your movement. Nostr would allow better engagement.

join us on matrix

you can just join the matrix

Unfortunately it's the same reason to keep the Twitter channel, you reach a lot of people.

privacy at its best

Fucking awesome!

great!!

Insane. Imagine trying to pay a bill from multiple fiat bank accounts at once…

Not to mention doing so in a privacy respecting way

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This is huge and completely redefines the landscape on Cashu v fedimint

All your eggs spread across many baskets that can be used in concert, or all your eggs in one big basket protected by multiple entities?

In Cash, one mint rugging means you lose all that is on this mint, but only that. On Fedimint you lose nothing until a majority of guardians rug, in which case in you lose everything.

Now that both approaches achieve the same level of practicality, the determing factor is your threat model. And that's great 🔥

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wow that is crazy

👀

This is next level shit 🔥🗽

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i know I'm childish ...but multi-nut got me laughing all day ...ty

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Nice. What about transaction fees? Triple it?

Sick but didn't you do this a year ago

we started a year ago which lead to a CLN feature that we can use now and we needed to improve our LND path finding loop

basically a year ago this only worked with LND for up to 1000 sats or so using a terminal

This is great.

How is user observed mint availability/ reliability reported, measured, communicated today?

Yes this website is great, and manually user reported.

How might we make use of real-time availability data of the multi-mint model?

I don't know, sorry (above my pay grade).

Hell yeah!

I need an ELI5, anyone ?

Sure, ecash was meant to be used in small payments or for small amounts usually to be used without fees at the sacrifice of you needing a custodial for your balance (the mint) thus it is recommended to have small balances on these mints.

Lighting on itself was meant to be non-custodial therefore incentivizing a higher capacity for sats on it, it has small fees, but comes with the headache of managing and rebalancing channels.

So what its shown here is that if you have balance split among multiple mints, you can use this balance from them to pay a single invoice in lightning, thus reducing the risk of being rugged by the total amount by a single mint custodian, and not having to manage a lighting node to make big and fast payments.

ohhh nice, this is a big improvement then. Thank you for your explanation kind sir.

Congrats! I can't wait to start learning more about this.

Is the expectation that users will always pay to lightning invoices? Or will Cashu nuts direct to the payee eventually take over?

Wow Pedro!

Amazing! Maximum respect to you guys!

This is absolutely fantastic news!!!

Bullish. Looking forward to this in cashu-ts. 👀

It's already in the release. Although most mints won't be upgrading for some time. Don't have control over that.

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Multinut payments is huuuuge!

When will it be deployed in cashu.me pwa?

Thx

Soon, we still have some things to work on before!

When can I tip ecash to someone who does not know what ecash?

You can use cashu.me to create and send a token that is also a link to the wallet. Like https://cashu.me/#token=cashuB...

Thanks!