trezor flew all the influencers to prague to shill their new hardware wallet?
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that why comments today are flooded w/ hot takes on cc?
What’s the best hardware wallet now?
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Wrong way too look at it. Matt says he likes the MK4. I prefer the Q, and use it like a traditional checking account, but serious sats should be kept on multi-vendor, multi-sig.
Don't trust, verify.
fact: many people that say don’t trust, verify do in fact trust marketing claims
I'm not one of those people. I make an exception for a couple bitcoin companies to pay my monthly bills because I trust them more than the Too Big To Fail banks.
I have done my own analysis and Coldcard is by far on the worse end of HWW security, usability and value.
I like the seed XOR feature. What do you think makes it the "worse end of HWW security" and what do you think is better?
That feature is basically the same as 2-of-2 or passphrases, and the problems with 2-of-2 have been pretty well documented by now.
I did my own research and architecturally it is significantly flawed. There are many weak points where you could be getting a backdoored device. The used secure elements are weak and outdated.
“Don’t trust, verify” goes much deeper than reading some marketing claims about “ultra secure” from the vendor and I see too many people falling for it. New Trezor for example is “quantum ready” but any device within the last 15 years is as well.
Personally I’d recommend something like a SeedSigner with a proper multisig and a BitBox maybe.
If you are wondering almost all the large influencers have financial interest in Coinkite or another HWW company so they would shill you something even when it is lies or misleading.
I use a geographically distributed 3-of-5 multisig + seed XOR and Smanir Secret Sharing as a secondary backup in case the banks get shut down again.
During lockdown, I couldn't access my Trezor for 3 months and that made me re-evaluate everything.
I agree that seed XOR together is a bad idea.
I'm currently playing with time locks using Miniscript, but only with small amounts so far because I'm not 100% confortable with it yet.
Does the BitBox have an air-gapped mode?
They prefer to write articles about why airgaps aren't as useful as we think.
Stinks of "filters don't do anything."
Airgaps aren't a be all and end all. But they are one element of a solid security strategy, and writing it off is exactly why I'm not a Bitbox customer.
I believe they have written off air gapping as “security theater”.
It literally isn't though. Data flow control is not some "nice to have" feature. You, as a human, literally don't know what information is being sent over NFC, Bluetooth, and USB. Unless you use a highly sophisticated hub that is essentially a clone for data passthrough.
I am still waiting on Semisol to give the non "trust me bro" explanation on why these devices are insecure WITHIN their use parameters. Secure elements without a broadcast mechanism, without code that (absent authorization from the owner) diseminates the secret, or a cryptographic flaw making it trivial to brute force, WHAT exactly is nostr:nprofile1qqs99d9qw67th0wr5xh05de4s9k0wjvnkxudkgptq8yg83vtulad30gpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezumrpdejz7qgkwaehxw309askwemj9ehx7um5wghxcctwvshsz9thwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjme0e68ksk referring to?
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It shouldn't take all the things that Coldcard has in order to secure your bitcoin. It seems like they create features, then tubers all say it's the best. That device is the super advanced version for people that want to be cool. There's gotta be a better way for beginners.
The MK4 has the benefit of HCM mode, which I assume someone in Matt's position may have use for. I imagine most individuals that aren't running a business may not find it so handy. The keyboard, on the other hand, is a quality of life improvement.
what's wrong with that?
its fine
“Influencers” is against the Bitcoin ethos though.
Coldcard gang enjoying life…
Did somebody say Quantum?
I know an expert on the subject that can manifest an explanation for you.
Need some healing that hits different?
My bro DC has the quantum connect.
#quantum
It must be some super cool wallet..
Not all of them. One is still in Zurich 🤭
They forgot about me :,(
Maybe they’re on a redemption arc with their new thingy we’ll see
I heard them say it’s the ledger killer like lol they’re really setting the bar low there 😂😂
Does it come with a necklace to wear it?
Open mouth syndrome
Hardware slop 🔥
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Agree. Left Ledger YEARS ago.
But (AI geneated) they have done a great job sellling it. The most widely used and popular Bitcoin hardware wallet is the Ledger Nano X, which is considered the best cryptocurrency wallet on the market in October 2025. Ledger, the company behind the Nano X, holds the largest market share in the hardware wallet industry.
All other hardware signers are just free advertisement for Coldcard
We’re better than that Cheeto holding the door latch
there isn't anything to worry about when you have your sats in cold storage on a Trezor, right? 😅
Hopefully none is flying back to south korea seeing as they are looking for people with that kind of hardware 😅
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Shamefull really.
If there are cookies in the cookie jar,
guess theyll just help themselves too.
Some of the influencers Trezor brought in just don’t fit the vibe. It makes the whole thing feel less authentic. I’d rather see them stick with people who actually care about self-custody and open-source values.
Makes you wonder…
Quantum influencer bonanza💀
But Who are these influencers taking cues from?
the OG of quantum, DC.
#quantum
Quantum trust-less and open, unless the non-open trustful parts
Air gapped coldcard is the way. Rest is noise.
CC looks like a really old TI calculator.
Will you be getting the new wallet
Does that include @lopp.eth?
They must have suspected something.
Less quantum
More qualtum
Imagine flying influencers in… just to say not your keys, not your coins.😂
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Nope, I'm a SeedSigner kind of guy. They don't have the budget to fly me anywhere 😂
I am not in Prague.
You can't buy me...
But you can buy my wine 🍷😉
They gonna start hammering new devices out every year like smartphones or what? I feel like the safe 5 was just released.
Problem with selling hardware wallets is that you get one sale. Thereafter your options for income are to release a new version, or to try sell subscription services
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If you ask Darth he'll just recommend tailsOS on a USB. HWW are gimmicks
A dedicated Qube in QubesOS also is sufficient as well.
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"If it aint congratulating then it looks like hating."
That tropic01 secure element looks like it's gonna unlock a lot of interesting new builds. I hope Trezor can continue pushing the needle.
How fucked up humanity must be to believe in what influencers promote.
Apply to everything…
HEY nostr:nprofile1qqsqfjg4mth7uwp307nng3z2em3ep2pxnljczzezg8j7dhf58ha7ejgpzamhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcprfmhxue69uhhxetwv35hgtnwdaekvmrpwfjjucm0d5hszxthwden5te0wpex2mtfw4kjuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgtcuauf96 IF YOU WILL FLY ME TO PRAGUE I WILL MAYBE SAY SOMETHING ABOUT YOU. OR NOT
why weren’t we invited, Odell???
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They didn't fly me 🥺
The wallet is nice though, open source secure element. The fact that it has battery is a bit annoying.
What wallet should I be putting my .0000001 corn on now?
And they forgot to include a CoinJoin update to enable custom coordinators...
Better than shilling bitkey no?
It was peers, more accurately. I couldnt make it, but wanted to just because Satoshi Labs always do great work.
Ledger is Leaky
Cold Card & Jade are hard to use(don't get me started about tech bros saying, "It's easy!").
Trezor is better than no hardware wallet at all.
As Andreas used to say, "Too much, or too complicated security & you wiil lose your bitcoin..."
Yes.. and they did.