One sad thing about Nostr is that the optimal "market" we should be targeting and that would supply the people we needed at this point is somehow disgusted at Bitcoin. We can shrug and say we don't care about them because they're ignorant about economics, but the fact is that there are many good builders we have already already lost because of that and who knows what great things they could have been doing for Nostr at this very moment.
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Yeah, it's a shame.
Weirdly, I have a hard time myself thinking where people see this so close association between Nostr and Bitcoin. I rarely see Bitcoin content on my feed (but maybe I'm so used to it it became invisible). The only two things I can think of are:
- the marketing around zaps, many Nostr introductions talk about zaps almost at the headline.
- the automatic "trending" or "global" feeds that clients throw into new users' faces.
I'm not even saying we're doing something wrong, I just don't know what to do about it.
It's doubly sad that we're the network of Bitcoiners and we don't even have any relevant Bitcoin discussion? Or do we?
Not saying X has anything relevant either, but I imagine many Bitcoiners are still discussing their useless covenants there every day like they were doing 4 years ago.
If we are being honest no true discussion takes place here. Where people actually talk back and forth.
It’s not limited to nostr. On all these news feed based social platforms an author makes a post, people respond with a comment. Maybe the the OP responds to a couple of them. And then it’s all gone, it’s an ephemeral broadcast platform.
It’s why after all these years I still get more educational value out of places like hacker news, where you don’t even have to post in order to get value from persistent and consistent threaded discussions. Since you mentioned Bitcoin, imagine Satoshi trying to maintain a coherent conversation on Primal or Damus.
I'm hoping some well organized forum type thing comes along soon to ameliorate that. Feels like it's in the making now from stuff I'm seeing
The association does not have to be close; it is a matter of heuristics, so even the slightest hint of suggestion of a possible association is more than enough.
Most of the external Nostr information sources are tightly tied to bitcoin content, either by the creator or the publication platform. Zap talk is only the tip of the iceberg.
There is a lot of bitcoin content on Nostr, mostly philosophical takes and memes, both in "trending" and out among the rest of us. When you get into "global" there are many bots posting various bitcoin stats & whatnot.
Better default relays. More Nostr-dedicated information sources. That's a couple obvious paths. It might take a lot of effort from many people to break the stigma. I believe it can be done, though.
On a happier note: Searching the playstore and "googling" Nostr has gotten 100x better recently. That's huge.
Disgusted by bitcoin or by bitcoiners?
Their biasses keep them away from Bitcoin; it is no wonder they tend to dislike the people who a drawn to Bitcoin as well.
Sometimes they are monero folks 😆
monero follks are very active on nostr and don't run from a decentralized protocol just because of bitcoiners!
Not saying you folks run, but when XMR zap on Nostr ? 🫶 we’re looking for the builders 👷
you can do it on mustard i think
oh the link is https://mostard.org/
theres a nostrudel fork that incorporates XMR zaps called mostard
and a bounty for maintaining a fork of amethyst that does it
so it's coming
monero folks are generally either also into bitcoin
or theyre ex-bitcoiners
But it's almost impossible to convince the very talented Linux communists about bitcoin unless they study economics. But are mainly brainwashed into woke ideology, but who knows maybe little by little. I am though very thankfull for those people because I've used and use many great freedom tech they produce. There must be a way to bring those worlds together. Any ideas?
So far when pitching Nostr to new dev’s I leave out the Bitcoin stuff, one rabbit hole at a time, also I push the censorship resistant aspect as a build your app (client) without a backend. I’ve seen some lightbulbs go on that way. 🫡
We are from the singed JSON over websockets, are we are here to exterminate all the APIs
> somehow disgusted
It's a mystery how that could possibly happen.
If they are, it is their own failing for not seeing Bitcoin for what it is, instead of associating it in totality with a small subset of people.
For a network that is supposedly “full of Nazis,” I have not encountered very many.
Would not say it is “full of Nazis” but there are definitely quite a few on here that like to blame Jews for all of the world’s problems.
Not saying I have any issue with them using the platform though. While I don’t agree with them I fully support their right to speak their mind and also support clients that do not want to broadcast their hateful message to their users…
No nazis have put shoe on head, so 0 nazis confirmed.
Do you have an insight into why they are disgusted with Bitcoin?
bitcoin maxis are obnoxious and they lie all the time and have zero self-awareness. everyone can tell except for the bitcoin maxis. the fact that you have to ask the question is proof that you are part of the problem. if I wasn't already into this kind of stuff I would never have tried nostr.
Fair enough. Thanks for the tip.
Either famous people gets into nostr, or nostriches hit fame that attracts normie people... looking at you nostr:nprofile1qqspe8wd3lfd97u8n4hs94kv26hwl462jeu2ujzrfv8smeazrpf0wpqpz9mhxue69uhkummnw3ezuamfdejj7qgwwaehxw309ahx7uewd3hkctcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsyqaakd nostr:nprofile1qqsfeg9aw3g8gtt2yqcecr3af3nee8syd2wuwr5w74wzjp0zgpfrgzcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhszrnhwden5te0dehhxtnvdakz7qg3waehxw309ahx7um5wgh8w6twv5hsler5rm 🐸☕️
I'm a Bitcoiner in a coding adjacent engineering field. New blood has been, and will continue to be drawn in from this periphery to help fill the void of the lost/ dusgusted you mention. I know, because I feel that pull! 😂
Well Bitcoin is a big part of the community so maybe they just don't like the people that are here?
But there's a lot to be built on Nostr that has nothing to do with Bitcoin. I'm working on some pretty cool non-Bitcoin Nostr stuff that I'll show off soon, hopefully.
because nostr needs bitcoin to even exist. the circular economy is the only thing that will incentivize a decentralized network in its growth phase, help prevent traditional problems with botfarms, and is resistent to capture by VCs that would end up being just another twitter.
think about the incentives at play here and try not to hate lightning so much that you forget about incentives..
as a dev, i would love nothing more than to be paid for work granularly vs. a fiat mine salary job. as an operator of servers, same. as a content creator, same. as any other type of value provider, same.
look at big tech, they are drooling about the possibilities if they could just enable payments.. but they can't, and nostr already has. theyre suppressing nostr discovery as much as possible but they cant do it forever.
so, whats the issue here? use drivechains if you want ffs, but you cant shit on the integrated payments its the one thing keeping this dream alive, ANd the most powerful network effect ever imo 😁
Im intrigued by the targeting of local groups, like local town discussion pages. Im in rural missouri and much drama pops off on the local gossip pages, im brainstorming how to onboard these local power users, maybe for a deeper depth discussion than occurs with the extra noise on the facebook groups. Much different demographic than current nostr users i see
I think a more powerful messaging to builders would be that Nostr offers "free" infrastructure, at least in the sense that you need nothing but what is required to run a client itself in order to get up and running. The data is there, the servers are there, and anyone is free to tap into them.
someone needs to be the laggards