The reason I keep harping on having children is because it’s similar to the epiphany of Bitcoin.

There are people out there who benefit from you being weak, atomized, and alone.

They’ve sold you a vision of freedom that actually serves them, not you.

The truth? Your life will be more vast, more meaningful, more fulfilling, and more joyful with a family.

You’ve been taught to believe the opposite, not because it’s true, but because it makes you easier to control, easier to extract from, and easier to discard.

This isn’t me judging you.

I believed the same lies.

I was seduced by the cheap, shallow narrative of personal meaning and individual passion, and I was miserable.

I didn’t find peace or purpose until I submitted to being responsible for others.

That’s where the meaning is. That’s where the beauty is. That’s where real life begins.

Trying to find your purpose in art, travel, or endless self-optimization is Malthusian psych warfare. Population control by spiritual demoralization.

It was never designed to make you whole.

It was designed to make you disappear.

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Since having my first child, it's the best thing that's ever happened to me.

politics, work, corruption, misery, everything else that keeps me awake is all secondary when I look into their eyes!

Family = infinite growth = happiness šŸ˜āœØ

One exception is following the life of Christ in holiness but that's not for everyone as such. The family is typical way.

Man I am happy to hear this - we are trying to have our first child now. I know I’ll be a good dad but man it’s scary and I’m not even in it yet. If I get half of what you described I’ll be thrilled

You’re gonna experience 1000x what I described. That’s how good parenthood is.

It is amazing. It is also tough.

Found out she is pregnant yesterday - here we go!

Congratulations brother!

Thanks, boys!

Woohoo. Congrats! You’ll do great.

Thank you, brother!

We were all scared :) You'll be just fine

This started with Gen X but really ramped up with Millennials. I was blinded too.

Now I just look at my son and can’t believe I waited so long to start a family.

Don’t wait to have everything figured out, because you’ll never get there. Starting a family is a forcing function. I have never been happier or more successful in my life and work since marrying and starting a family.

It’s like a major tailwind pushing me forward.

I will also say, without submitting my life to Christ and following Scripture, I would still be lost in hedonism. So, start with facing your own sin and find the Savior. Out of ashes, God can grow beautiful things.

people optimize their entire life to ā€œenjoy lifeā€ in the 60-70s

I dont think I really knew what happiness was until I had kids, so many joyful moments spent with my children. But they're not all joyful, there is so much learning about my self as well, challenging moments whichmy children bring to help me grow into a more loving person.

i'm really glad that worked out positively for you.

with 50% of american marriages ending in divorce (which means more than 50% are unhappy as some ppl power through a loveless marriage), having children isn't a good defacto default for everyone.

i'd argue many of the issues in today's society are from loveless marriages, high divorce rate, and high one parent raising a child households.

we often think that because something worked out well for us, it must translate for others as well. that simply doesn't take into account the myriad combinations/permutations of any two people and the family they may start.

not saying getting married or having children is a bad idea, in fact, i can easily see how it could raise one's happiness level. however, the math says that doesn't happen for most people (the marriage front specifically, the children may be different)

šŸ”¦šŸ˜Œ, I love your response ā—ļøšŸ˜

šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„ you're giving a little bit more context and nuance šŸ”Ž (šŸ¤”) šŸ™‚āœ…ļø

😳

You’ll notice I didn’t use the word happiness in my post above.

So you’re arguing with something I didn’t say number 1.

Number 2, the oft quoted 50% statistic is skewed high by serial divorcees (people on their 5th marriage). First marriages have about a 65% chance of working out. Divorce rates are also declining. The majority of modern, stable marriages last.

Number 3, Longitudinal studies from Harvard, Stanford, and Pew show married people report greater life satisfaction, physical health, and emotional well-being compared to their single peers.

Number 4, Marriage and family aren’t broken, our culture is.

All true šŸ‘ŒšŸ½

Number 1)

This is a quote from you:

"Your life will be more vast, more meaningful, more fulfilling, and more joyful with a family."

Joyful is pretty darn close to happy. But we can nit-pik semantics if you'd like, I'll say that the general gist of my interpretation of what you said is accurate.

Number 2)

Ok, I'll grant you that this puts your first marriage divorce chances at 35%. Hopefully you can also grant me that many people stay in unhappy marriages. Perhaps that gets us closer to the 50% rate I stated.

Number 3)

Those same places probably have studies saying the covid vaccine is safe and effective. I assume you don't care when people quote the experts on things you don't agree with?

Number 4)

Marriage is a societal construct (and a man-made legal contract). It is a fools errand to parse society from marriage or marriage from society. These two things have some type of relationship that point back and forth at each other.

At least they introduced some nuance to your one sided take.

Marriage is a construct created by God. Meant emulate Christ and his Church. These are its roots. It’s not a tax break. This is what nostr:nprofile1qqsp4lsvwn3aw7zwh2f6tcl6249xa6cpj2x3yuu6azaysvncdqywxmgpzfmhxue69uhk7enxvd5xz6tw9ec82cspp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqjwuwjm is getting at, I believe. That marriage construct is still being fulfilled by sinful and broken people, but if you’ll die to yourself, realize life is more than just about you, if you get out of your own way, there’s real life to be had. You’ll obtain that for yourself, your spouse, and you’ll demonstrate and teach it to your offspring. There’s nothing like it. Bitcoin makes this perspective so much easier to wrestle with when Dad works 1 job, mom stays home and raises the kids, and there’s time at the end of the day to enjoy one another and the community.

in short, life is more fulfilling when you sacrifice for others and love others and stop focusing just on yourself.

Unless you cannot take care of yourself, are incapable or dedicate your life for a greater purpose, children should be the defacto default. I don’t think the math works out because we are failing as a society to support ā€œfamilyā€ and individuals are raised to be soft. People need to grow up, work on their marriages and be a great family member.

They go against the family because it is the ultimate core of the individual's resistance to the State.

Starting a family is the best thing that can happen to anyone.

Who are these people?

#strawman

I was sold the "house, family, picket fence" lie and was told if I didn't fly straight i'd "end up in a van down by the river." they had it backwards. now, that's my dream! #rv #vanlife

There’s no reason to stack sats if you don’t build for the next generation, through good work and children.

Stacking Sats is building for the next gen, regardless of their your kin or not.

We are all one.

Agree. Even stacking without purpose is a donation to those that stack with purpose.

We are all one. 🫔

Your life can have purpose without children tho.

Without a doubt. I’m a kid maxi, but I agree that there are more ways to build generations than just reproduction.

Even Paul spoke about it being better that he remain how we was -single and without kids. I’m no fool. Jesus and His Kingdom here on Earth is the goal and the prize, and whatever it take to see those two things is the way -kids or not, wife or not, sats or not.

Being married and having children both changed the way I view the world for the better.

You have to look at them long term, similar to Bitcoin. Day to day, there are ups and downs with amazing moments and incredible frustration. Long term, they are the most rewarding and value-driving things in my life.

As someone without kids, that is sad, but true

LOVE this.... These are truths very much aligned with some of the core teachings of Christianity. The paradox is that "it is more blessed to give than it is to receive." The world says, "love yourself", but Jesus says, "Greater love has no one than this, that someone lay down his life for his friends".

Appreciate you in this space, HODL

family values

Word! Can always start with a pet. Same idea.

I fell in that trap until 40yo and until bitcoin. Then I got back on track - got married, had children, stacked sats and ate meat again. I was so hooked by the cultural narative that I was even a vegan. Now I'm also an Orthodox Christian - no words for how everything makes sense now, even the afterlife. So at peace

After almost 2 years of studying the Orthodox faith, my family and I started attending a local parish recently. I haven’t been catechized yet but I already feel like everything makes so much sense now. Glory to God

This guy is good!

You said it HODL 🤘🫔

Too sad, too true.

Going childless by choice is evolutionary suicide.

Whoever persuaded you to make that choice is your nemesis and you don’t even know it.

Mi plan es tener un hijo para el 2026 🫔

#HODL4Pres

You are created to have children, in order to live to your full potential. Dog moms just don’t get the same experience…

"Trying to find your purpose in art, travel, or endless self-optimization is Malthusian psych warfare. Population control by spiritual demoralization."

Elaborate. I'm an artist, with a family who travels. Don't really agree with this statement. Want to know what you mean by it.

I think it means that the creation of art should be a result of being inspired by life, and not responsible for providing inspiration itself. I'm an artist too...

life imitates art. art imitates life.

"Can't draw from life if you don't have one." — Art Babbitt, animator

I’m saying that these things aren’t bad in themselves, but when they become the substitute for family, faith, sacrifice, legacy, etc… they become part of a demoralization campaign. One that convinces the masses to find meaning in things that never generate children, commitment, or institutions.

That’s why I said Malthusian psych warfare because it aligns perfectly with the goals of those who want fewer people, weaker families, and easier-to-control populations.

It’s sterilizing on a spiritual and often literal level.

Broken money. Broken spirit. Broken people.

Career oriented because it costs that much more to live a life. Yeah, I see it in my field. Not many have families. Not really because they don’t want. They cant. So they focus on what they can have, a career. Long enough in the space, they grow resentful. Push others into their camp.

But, even with good money, the issue is still the same. Many don’t understand the role of art (music, film, books, paintings, etc.) in society. They don’t understand its value. People have a hard time buying from or supporting artists. Especially in a world of ā€œfree.ā€ Zaps are a start.

Politics is downstream from culture. Culture is just the collective behavior of a people. Artists reflect the culture. The mirror of society. Whoever funds them, dictates the narrative. Gives us a fun house mirror instead of an honest one.

I get your point, though.

I’m pro art obviously. I’m a creative myself, this isn’t to say that art is not meaningful.

I know. I get you. Just elaborating on the topic. It was interesting.

It’s the essence of uncertainty and that’s okay; the process will deepen one’s experience of life for good and for ill, and that’s okay; having a family enriches life while it also prepares one for death, and that’s okay.

damn, that hits hard.

It is what it is. You do you and I do me.

preach it

So you're saying that anyone who doesn't want children was convinced not to have children by someone else and didn't decide for themselves?

Not everyone but in general we have a culture that is very negative towards the family and parenthood. This is the dogma that surrounds these choices for most people.

if you’re Asian, you’re bombarded with wen are you getting a girlfriend followed by marriage, followed by kids, followed by more kids - no matter our diaspora šŸ˜‚

So Are you talking about ā€œAmerica familiesā€ today?

Yeah I’m talking about westerners

It was designed to enslave us...to make us focus superficially on ourselves without a spiritual or deeply emotional connection to those around us.

An individual can be broken, subjugated, or marginalized easily. A strong strong family gives emotional and spiritual PURPOSE and genuine FULFILLMENT to each individual within that family. Stability and self reliance of a family begets STRENGTH and CONFIDENCE, which is the bedrock for PERSEVERANCE.

These are not the traits of slaves...

A lot of people don't allow themselves to let this unfold naturally & force the issue.

You can have kids later than the marketing would allow you to believe.

For men yeah.

For both genders the marketing doesn't tell the whole story.

They're giving you statistics of unhealthy people as well.

Sure you can definitely have healthy pregnancies post 40 but the optimal window is correctly described by mainstream medicine.

Modern medicine doesn't provide you with the full picture nor tailored results based on your measurables.

These things are going to get dialed in better which will tease the pressure & guessing a bit more out of the equation.

Younger people have healthier pregnancies though, that’s a biological reality

Healthier people have healthier pregnancies*

There's so much nuance here.

Life is satisfying when you devote it to something larger than yourself.

It doesn't have to be children.

Preoccupation with yourself is inherently dissatisfactory.

That's why they don't want you to have children, so they can be the "something larger than yourself."

There is only family and creativity.

It can't be children, I have six of them but they are all smaller than myself.

Most people ā€œpursuing their passionā€ are unaware that they are just trying to heal their developmental trauma.

Ding ding ding

That being said — a lot of people avoid parenthood because they know they’re just gonna fuck up their kids.

A lot of parents suck at parenting.

Take their shit out on their kids.

BUT — once you heal —- there is nothing more beautiful and magical and fulfilling than loving and raising kids with a wonderful woman.

No words can describe it.

Well done, HODL. I see Jesus in your words. I don’t know you, but I know you know Him. Keep up the good fight, brother.

100% agreed. This is my truth too.

We need children because society dies without them

Well said

Actually there’s a clear correlation between generational high achievers and childlessness. Michelangelo, Da Vinci, Tesla, Rand, Beethoven… You know that ā€˜Gult’s Gulch’ that was trending on Nostr a while ago? Written by a middle aged Russian woman that didn’t have kids.

I’m not sure there is a clear correlation, Einstein, Aristotle, Descartes, Shakespeare, Napoleon, Galileo, Jung, Socrates, Wagner, Tolstoy, Dostoevsky, Jobs, Picasso, Tolkien, Darwin, Planck, Bach, Marcus Aurelius all had children.

Your pool is 10-20 times bigger. If people couldn’t find meaning or direction or happiness or freedom from the system without kids none of my list would exist (forgot Newton, Hume, Woolfe, Kant, Dickinson…)

Yeah but it isn’t correlative is my point. Also most geniuses who didn’t have children weren’t rejecting family so much as shaped by intense neurodivergence (autism etc…) or single minded focus. Their paths weren’t the result of some alternative lifestyle design, they were often anomalies compelled by outsized obsession and focus. Or they were just gay at a time when that wasn’t socially acceptable like Michelangelo for instance.

It is correlative. If my list is comparative to yours but my pool is 20 times smaller, there’s a correlation. Neurodivergence or anything else doesn’t change that fact.

Controlling for neurodivergence and homosexuality negates the correlation

Lol ok. Because in your world people who are neurodivergent or homosexuals don’t count? These are the values you’re instilling in young people?

lol I’m not going to respond to your hysterical bad faith interpretation of what I said buddy boy

That bot is back. Avoid. Why waste your time? Be smarter.

Muted that thing long ago. I mute a lot. I’m usually right.

If you muted me how do you know I commented?

Sometimes I can’t help myself

Because you have nothing left to say

I’m gonna mute you now permanently unless you’d like to backtrack the above statement

That's comforting to know.

Amongst the more crazy femnistis they're talking about how woman that don't get children live longer, are healthier and probably "happier".

You probably can be very happy without having children. But you gotta find something that you love, recognize it and start focusing on it.

Having children might be one of the best ways to love in life - but, there are many ways.

Also:

Being a high achiever doesn't mean that you had a feeling of fullfillment in your life.

That’s true. If we want to talk about happiness statistics though the evidence is even more onesided

But what about having children earlier vs. later in life. Seems that later in life makes people Happy. Earlier doesn't.

Having children is the ultimate proof-of-work

Beautifully said.

It resonates with my experience as a father.

I think people need to start thinking in generations again. Where is the sense in building anything when you don't have somebody who can inherit it

Purpose in Service šŸ™ First days on Nostr-related social media/Primal and already enjoying the whole content and message much more than Twitter.

I think it's worth staying on Nostr just because of this message. I agree 100% — coming from a father of five.

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Congrats. Such a blessing.

Many good reasons to stay on Nostr imo.

Being a father reminds you amongst the noise and terrible things there are things to be appreciative of. The world is full of special gifts too. It gives you purpose and someone to fight for. Besides there needs to be little ones who think for themselves and naturally rebel and fight for their freedom for those asleep and carry the torch so to speak!

Bought a book (Ā£2 for a charity shop) by Rev. Malthus, it’s a bit weird.

Family = infinite growth = happiness šŸ˜šŸ˜»šŸ’

Don’t stop harping on having children. If we are doing that, then what is the point of everything else?

Don’t be so damn selfish to think the world is going to end with you. You may have some hopeless apocalyptic vision of the future, but that vision is a whole lot more hopeless without the promise of the next generation(s).

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Ray Dalio Principle: Embrace Reality and Deal with It

Reality: Humans are biologically interdependent. Not having family, friends, or a community, is akin to being physically obese. It's unhealthy, particularly for your soul.

Bruh having kids is actually goated just gotta find the right baddie with the large hips and then you go full late 90’s Metallica on her baddussy

I became a father this week. Everything I've ever accomplished until now is meaningless in comparison.

Have a family and grow your legacy.

We were designed to do so.

Thank you for sharing your perspective. I respect your journey and the meaning you've found in family. While we may see things differently, I believe everyone’s path to purpose is personal. What matters most is living with intention, responsibility, and love, however that looks for each of us.

being alone is equivalent to smoking.

Whose they?

Nothing is more countercultural right now than being a man who builds. Builds a home. A tribe. A future.

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I’m sorry I didn’t.

While this is true for most people, but I don't think it should be forced. I know people who were somewhat socially pressured into having a family, they failed to adapt to life as a family unit. All they did was bring much misery and trauma to he's family. It did not end well.

Manage your family bircoin balance. Teach personal finance and money to your kids. Introduce them to time preference early by saving for family goals.

https://family-bitcoin-vault-leogroff.replit.app/

While you are correct, and you might feel more fulfilled having a family, the attacks are as intense by the same people to keep your family apart, controlled and demoralized. Always to consume, because that's the next thing it will make you happy, and only if you have 'that thing', will you be fulfilled. Keeping the kids in check and family on a course is also a fight, but it is worth it.

I have freedom.

You're "better" than me.

Spend 10 minutes on this: https://youtu.be/Sh4FS8OOn3A

Watch Terence Malick’s Tree of Life.

Made me want to be a better husband and father. Hardly anything really matters in the end. Your family does.

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I love tree of life

ā¤ļø Blew my mind. Displaced Good Will Hunting as my favorite movie.

ā€œI wanted to be loved because I was great, a big man. Now I’m nothing. Look — the glory around us, trees, birds… I dishonored it all and didn’t notice the glory.ā€

Kids give you purpose. Bitcoin gives you hope.

YEAH, I HEAR YOU. THE WHOLE "FIND YOURSELF" THING IS PUSHED SO HARD, BUT MAYBE IT'S JUST A WAY TO KEEP US BUSY AND ALONE.

THE PERSON IS BASICALLY SAYING THAT WHAT WE THINK IS FREEDOM IS ACTUALLY JUST A TRAP. WE'RE TOLD TO CHASE OUR OWN THING, BUT THAT'S WHAT KEEPS US ISOLATED AND EASY TO CONTROL. THE REAL DEAL, THE REAL PURPOSE AND HAPPINESS, COMES FROM BEING RESPONSIBLE FOR A FAMILY.

IT'S A BIG IDEA, AND IT GOES AGAINST WHAT A LOT OF PEOPLE BELIEVE TODAY.

FAMILY IS EVERYTHING šŸ“¢

LOVE MY FAMILY LOVE MY LIFE šŸ‘ŠšŸ¼

Amen! And most of the great art out there is just people independently coming to this same conclusion.

https://youtu.be/Kp4bOZD5ecw