Nostr Web Client

I don't have paid support for my DIY node but this is still awesome news. Now we need to get all the mining related companies off telegram next.

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Liberty Farmer 1y ago

I assume this is just for hardware buyers, not OS users?

Start9 1y ago

Hardware buyers already have a redemption code, so it's free.

DIY users, people who installed the OS on their own hardware, can purchase a code if they want.

The Beave 1y ago

Oof. That's a really steep price to buy in to the server.

I totally get moving away from telegram, though.

But $100? Yeesh.

Start9 1y ago

You think $100 is expensive for receiving private 1-1 support from technical experts for life...Yeesh. Have you tried hiring a lawyer for an hour?

Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

Doesn't matter. Lawyers' services are a completely different product and it has no bearing whatsoever on a choice to use start9's product. You've created an incentive for yourself to reduce the quality of your guides, which I'll say are top notch, but I have to doubt they will be going forward. And you could have chosen nostr for support, or anything. There are options.

Just be sure the latest version of startos is freely available before you go out of business. No need to waste your efforts.

DRE 1y ago

Spoken like a true commie

Do you also yell at miners for not including your txns on the next block for free?

V4V is the right thing to do.

Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

Ironic. You know next to nothing about me, but assume something about my worldview. In my experience, communists make the grandest assumptions. Don't bother replying - you're blocked.

Start9 1y ago

This is a completely different product from StartOS.

StartOS is free software.

Hardware costs money. Humans cost money.

We've been doing support for free for 5 years and are only now making the swtich to paywall because scammers are getting out of control. The ONLY way to prevent scammers is to control the server and charge for access. There is NO other way.

Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

Okay that does make sense. I also want to say,

I've never needed to ask you guys for help because your online guides are so good. Please don't axe the guides...

Start9 1y ago

Guides will ALWAYS be awesome and free. In fact, all new and improved docs are being released alongside v0.3.6

Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

Nice

Devin 1y ago

You guys are awesome. People don't have the *right* to another person's labor. You pay people to help, the recipient of that help should rightfully pay. Thank you for the software.

-A DIY Start9 user

Start9 1y ago

Thank you. And TBH the $100 doesn't move the needle much, since we are doing it for free for anyone who has purchased or will purchase a server. It's mostly to keep the scammers out. Pay to play is the only way.

StellarStoic 1y ago

Actually lawyers in third world countries aren't that expensive for some of us but they are for people living there. This price of 100$ is for them astronomical. Think about them for a second not just profits which I totally understand that even you guys need to pay bills. I get that but, you might also start to think about regional-pricing. Seriously!

Because I think there will be quite harsh response from the #diy comunity.

Yes I am late to the party. My #start9 DIY server is not even 1 week old and I'm already disappointed.

The Beave 1y ago

Mine has been up for less than a week, also. I'm not particularly disappointed. I am just kinda shocked at the price and reasoning.

stupleb 1y ago

There's still the same community support for DIY servers... that's where DIY servers were always supported. The fee is only for those who want official support on top.

StellarStoic 1y ago

Yup $100 USD in different parts of the world have different purchasing power.

But I'm relaxed now since I read the comments. We're good 👍🏽

Start9 1y ago

This is the ONLY way to prevent spam and scammers.

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Braydon Fuller 1y ago

TBH, surprised it's lifetime, not membership by month or year.

Start9 1y ago

We try to be generous, seriously.

Surfside 1y ago

Just a Start9 user here, but the support the provide is top notch. They have helped me and my buddies lots over the past 3 years - great way to support a top notch company IMHO

DRE 1y ago

They work for money. Don’t you?

They already give away the OS for free. $100 is the bare minimum we can do to support what they do

Nice and Kind Vic 1y ago

Note: Even though the company is taking their support private, the community can and should still support it independently through open protocols and applications

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Huxley 1y ago

Great idea that will support the continued success of Start 9.

Bill Cypher 1y ago

I see it is a self hosted instance, is it the synapse package running on a nostr:nprofile1qqs9df4h2deu3aae83fmet5xmrlm4w5l9gdnsy3q2n7dklem7ezmwfcpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq5xamn8ghj7dnvv45xs7tywde8g6rpvakkjuekw46nvar4vdhxgan6wumkxatzwpckk6rk0puhjdm2da5k7ce5x4kkkumjx3jkzepwdahxjmmwqyt8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnwdaehgu3wd9hxvmckqw0xz node by chance?

Start9 1y ago

No because StartOS doesn't have the networking features in place yet. Sad I know. We'll get there

DarthCoin ₿⚡️ 1y ago

This is just virtue signaling... creating a walled garden.

Good luck with isolating yourself.

Start9 1y ago

If you want to keep out scammers, you gotta put up a wall. No other way.

Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

$100 to buy a code...

This *might* be where I start to migrate away from start9.

stupleb 1y ago

You don't have to buy anything though, it's not obligatory to buy paid support if you're running the OS. It's rare for anyone to buy any other OS support, most people don't need it.

Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago

Well, I said "might" for a reason

Start9 1y ago

We build free software. This is just for constant and lifetime access to humans who are paid to help. It's also the ONLY way to prevent scammers

dshf 1y ago

I respect your right to run your business your way. As DYI user I say thank you but no, thank you.

🫡

stupleb 1y ago

Premium support is optional and was never available to DIY users, they're always directed to community support options.

Start9 1y ago 💬 2

This is totally optional, just if you want lifetime access to on-demand support from technical experts in a safe place with no scammers. Some people see huge value in that.

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Dirl 1y ago

☝️

Xavier "The Label Guy" Fiechter 1y ago

You just rised the entry level for scammer to $100 by that.

Start9 1y ago 💬 3

They will never pay it, because rhe first time they try to scam, they will be removed from the server forever and have to pay another $100 to get back in.

To defeat spam and scammers, you must BOTH control the server AND charge for access. Problem solved.

dshf 1y ago

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I might misunderstood the communicate. I’m DIY user and I am not seeking premium support. All I need is access to community forum as it was on Telegram. I agree with Telegram flaws but do I understand it correctly that this new Matrix chat will be the only #start9 forum and Telegram chat completely gone? In other words will payed option replace free option fully?

Are DYI users left alone?

ƝαŢꀌαɳ_Ðгαƙ૩ 1y ago

There already exists a group on Matrix. Will you close that one too?

Start9 1y ago

No, that is stricly a developer space now for people hacking on StartOS and services.

Cryptosquid 1y ago

A partir de ahora el servicio técnico de Start9 estará en un servidor privado de Matrix.

Para acceder necesitas un código que viene con la compra de uno de nuestros servidores o adquiriendo un código en nuestra tienda por $100.

Se acabaron los timadores de Telegram 🔥

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Comte de Sats Germain 1y ago 💬 5

Always watch for these little red flags. Moving away from telegram us reasonable, but charging money for customer support is a sign of weakness. I predict the end of Start9... there's always these little signs when a company is starting to die.

So... I guess I'm looking for an alternative. Any suggestions?

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BOOK IT 1y ago

A $100 code to make it so you don't need to support your DIY users. You are going to have alot of the user base mad and probably will mive away from your os.

Surfside 1y ago

I get that, I'd take the "no one leaves" side of that bet. The IBD alone is roadblock enough for a server you actually use.

BOOK IT 1y ago

No one leaves till they need support and have to pay $100 to get it. You will only have people who bought machines or have the money to pay for the right to have support.

stupleb 1y ago

Everyone else can just support each other. This is the norm in open source projects like StartOS.

BOOK IT 1y ago

The docs and forums provide more support than telegram has ever anyway.

stupleb 1y ago

That's great. Free resources!

Guy Swann 1y ago

So people think that they should get infinite free support from paid employees that crowds out people who actually bought the product when they made a custom device and downloaded a free, open source, secure, custom OS that took years to build and get working properly and they think they are entitled to someone else's time and assistance because... why exactly?

nostr:npub126ntw5mnermmj0znhjhgdk8lh2af72sm8qfzq48umdlnhaj9kuns3le9ll you guys should change it to $100 a year honestly. You really want to keep the communists out of the group. Just sayin.

Classicaldad⚡️ 1y ago

Guy makes a great point. Consider raising the price. Perhaps offer first year of support for free to people who bought hardware from Start9 and then give them a discounted rate for year two and beyond. Even if you don’t change the support membership to an annual subscription, consider pricing the lifetime membership in sats, so you at least can keep up with inflation. It wouldn’t be unreasonable if you priced it at and kept it at 15,000 sats for a lifetime membership.

BOOK IT 1y ago

Or don't charge anything oooooorrrr big brain create a fee for using there os on your node that pays out every month...like mining pools lmap

Classicaldad⚡️ 1y ago

*150,000 sats… 🤦‍♂️ Sometimes math is hard, and other times I’m just an idiot.

BOOK IT 1y ago

I'm sorry I am for open source projects. Name any other company that successfully charges there user base for techsupport. Guarantee any example is a business or corp software solution or w/e. They could have just said we will not be continuing to provide free support to diy users. The real thing if they want money is too sell an os license and get free support. My only gripes is it's one time use and if you lose it your sol. This comcommunity is based on open-source so once you make a pay wall we just say fuck you and make out own shit with community supporters.

Guy Swann 1y ago

Have you ever heard of Redhat?

stupleb 1y ago

Maybe this one...

Classicaldad⚡️ 1y ago

Open sourcing software = Freedomtech 🤙

Open sourcing someone else’s time = Communism 👎

BOOK IT 1y ago

Redhat is the worst. Why debian and others are used in the consumer market. RedReddit will always be workstation or server imo.

stupleb 1y ago

Most of what you're saying is wrong.

1) Most open source projects are supported by communities of volunteers. As is StartOS, for free, in community support channels which you can still use. And where you should be volunteering if you feel strongly about this.

2) Tech support for customers of Start9 is still free, as it was before, included with the purchase of a product.

3) There was never free support to DIY users, just volunteer support, which still exists.

4) Start9 can't sell an OS license because StartOS is free and open source and isn't owned by Start9, but by everyone.

5) There's "no one time use SOL" situation... If someone loses their redemption code, they can just email and ask for a new one.

You sound frightened and confused by falsehoods that you're inventing in your own head that have no bearing on reality.

BOOK IT 1y ago

I am concerned with them saying it's for scammers and charging 100 to join there matrix....

stupleb 1y ago

Why not just join the Telegram and use that instead? Only the paying customers are moving away, anyone else is welcome to stay and build out the community support. You're welcome to volunteer your time too!

BOOK IT 1y ago

Well clearly if people are moving won't telegram just be left with scammers and some community members? I also have help people with start9 os already.

Start9 1y ago

This is mostly about defeating scammers and creating a safe space for our community and customers.

Garth 1y ago

We always had a saying back in my London house sharing days of “no rent, no opinion”

BOOK IT 1y ago

Linux does it fine. Unless your looking to turn a profit or need to grow idk.

ChadF and 33 others 1y ago

I setup 2 DIY nodes and sent Start9 $50 each time. Just because we are using the “free” version doesn’t mean we’re not supporting the project. Not everyone has $600 to buy a server from Start9.

Braydon Fuller 1y ago

Yup, I agree! The existing software is effectively a non-economic good and non-scarce, support on the other hand is still scarce.

Bitcoin Boomer 1y ago

I concur. nostr:npub126ntw5mnermmj0znhjhgdk8lh2af72sm8qfzq48umdlnhaj9kuns3le9ll is the best. $100 for lifetime support seems way too low.

Start9 1y ago

This is the ONLY way to prevent spam and scammers.

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BOOK IT 1y ago

Not only way thr easiest for you. Many other companies seem to do fine with email support and help tickets....

Start9 1y ago

We greatly prefer the group approach, much more scalable and also creates community.

BOOK IT 1y ago

Just a question on this why is your help desk also need to be the way you build your community too? Wouldn't it make more sense to separate them so can foster a community with both DIY and hardware owners? Then just leave the paid employees for hardware support?

Start9 1y ago

So anyone can join this server, not just hardware buyers. For anyone who doesn't see the value or can't justfiy the expense, we have commnuity.start9.com, which will always be free, and I'm sure other community run channels will pop up as well. But we need the paid server to keep out the scammers. Also, people deserve to get paid for their time and effort. The people who staff our channel have families to feed like everyone else, they don't work for free, and shouldn't. $100 for a lifetime membership to expert technical support is the deal of the decade.

BOOK IT 1y ago

Okay I feel i agree now with your decision as long as the forum stays open for use I'm happy as they are amazing. I am not against you paying your team well but I have to as a customer voice my concerns. I know you are a hardware company first that developed amazing ecosystem that can also be used elsewhere for free. I just hope you can see both sides of why some people are concerned vs others will support you without question. Thanks agian for being an amazing company!

BOOK IT 1y ago

Also just please make a announcement in your website so people also know. I know your verified here but will be more official to see imo.

ChadF and 33 others 1y ago

I feel the same but the Start9 docs on the website have solved every problem I’ve ever had plus I have other plebs to ask for help.

StellarStoic 1y ago

And then Simplex :)

Can you at least make the Telegram group community driven not associated with Start? Please don't delete it. There's still a lot of answers that can be found in this group.

Start9 1y ago

We're not deletin the Telegram group. We will just not be staffing it, and it will continue to be full of scammers.

StellarStoic 1y ago

There must be some trusted group members who are willing to fight against scammers, and still provide valuable Telegram group.

StellarStoic 1y ago 💬 2

Something to debate about among #start9 #DIY community.

It always starts with ditching customer support and someday in the future they might ditch us all together with software support as well. Nobody said this will happen but let's see what the future brings upon us.

Fiat always ruins everything what's good 😒

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salamander 1y ago

Very steep price point. Even though support has been exceptional so far. This might drive a lot of people away from the project. The wait for 0.3.6 continues.

Guy Swann 1y ago

$100 pays for maybe an hour or two of someone's time. Literally. That is a painfully cheap price point to get *lifetime* support for someone who is using software someone else built and gave them for free. People acting like the internet doesn't exist, jesus christ.

salamander 1y ago

$ 100 is cheap for lifetime support, there’s no denying that. I do think for someone who wants to try the whole self sovereign thing out, the $ 100 price mark can be a hurdle, with no official support channels available for free, compared to, for example, a $ 25 one year only option. Does the internet exist? Hm didn’t know that. Jesus Christ.

Guy Swann 1y ago

There's endless free support from hundreds of helpful bitcoiners on Nostr and social, but I don't expect Start9 to fund it for no reason.

We can just go to BTCSessions youtube channel or search the web or peruse the github or stackoverflow or whatever. There is literally no shortage of places where we can all get tons of help with these devices and the open source community around it. I am also happy to help, but I'm not *obligated* to do so, and I certainly don't think Start9 is after they built an awesome OS and made it open source and available when they pay a lot of money to their employees and have very precious and limited time to devote to it.

And sorry, don't give me the "$25 would've been fine" because people would've complained about that too. The simple fact is no one is obligated to pay a high price for support to help random users who provide nothing to them, and nobody should expect them to.

The only proper response is "thank you" and moving on. They owe nobody anything. LESS so because they already gave us *enormous* value entirely for free despite them probably spending a few hundred thousand building it, maybe more. It being open source is *less* of a reason to demand something from them, not more.

TL;DR

Open source is a COMMUNITY, not someone building something for us for free and then dedicating their life to support also for free, while we all demand more from them. It is US who are obligated to give support to each other if we want it. Start9 owes us nothing.

salamander 1y ago

Well that’s what they have been doing for a while now. And of course it’s up to them to do what they think is right and necessary for the project. I’m not giving you the $ 25 would have been fine, I just am of the opinion maybe a limited duration but lower price point option would actually create more revenue. I really hope it will turn out to be the right decision. I do not agree with the “random users who provide nothing to them”. I think Start9 got a lot of very useful feedback from a lot of those random users, i.e. the community aspect you are talking about.

stupleb 1y ago

If you don't want to pay for premium support, just lean on community support options for help, where you can also contribute and help others, volunteering your time.

Start9 1y ago

This is totally optional, just if you want lifetime access to on-demand support from technical experts in a safe place with no scammers. Some people see huge value in that. $100 is unbelievably cheap.

Bitcoin Mechanic 1y ago

Brace yourself. Here come the communists.

Start9 1y ago

It's shocking actually.

Schroedinger 1y ago

I hope this only relates to the dedicated support and does not affect the availability of future releases for the diy community. Or are there already plans to charge for the use/publication of new versions for the DIY community?

stupleb 1y ago

New versions of what? StartOS is a free open source project. It's just premium 1-1 support that is charged for.

Start9 1y ago

Start9 will always make free software. This is for on-demand access to technical experts in a scammer-free space. Some people see huge value in that.

Schroedinger 1y ago

Thanks for the response. Glad you're software stays free. That is the answer I wanted. 👍🔥

Classicaldad⚡️ 1y ago

Wait, anyone who isn’t a Start9 CUSTOMER and hasn’t PAID Start9 because they used hardware purchased elsewhere and downloaded StartOS for FREE and benefitted even though they didn’t contribute their time or money to the StartOS development, they need to PAY for the time of a Start9 tech support employee to provide personalized support?

Shouldn’t the Start9 employee be forced to solve the problems of any DIY StartOS user? I mean, the tech support employee has the ability to help and the DIYer has the need. Uncle Karl wouldn’t approve of this… 🙄

nostr:npub126ntw5mnermmj0znhjhgdk8lh2af72sm8qfzq48umdlnhaj9kuns3le9ll, you’re awesome (⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️). Keep up the good work.

SuiGenerisJohn 1y ago

This is extremely based.

A Rux 🚴🏿 1y ago

Been a DIY user for some time and i have put in a donation back then and now purchased server one a while ago

I was wondering how they were able to provide such a support for all of its user base and if this speeds up future developments well then its a good move

Start9 1y ago

The $100 won't move the needle at all. This is mostly about fighting spam and scammers and creating a space space for our commnity. The ONLY way to deter scammers is to control the server and charge for acess.

tigs 1y ago

The quicker you get away from Telegram the better :Dance:

BOOK IT 1y ago

Also on this note here's a thought exercise, I see a free open source os. I try installing it but rin into issues, old forums and docs no longer have solutions, they tell youbto get help on the free os, you now need to pay $100 to get access to the community and staff for help. I would just leave since I was under the eexpectation of it being free to use but I need to pay for help.

Start9 1y ago

If people can't DIY without expert help, we've failed. Also, anybody on Earth can help for free. This is optional

BOOK IT 1y ago

Never said you failed i am stating someone wanting to try your product before buying may be shafted if there is no help in that regard. Idk why everyone is so heated. This is nostr we are supposed to be free to discuss and build what we want. Ofc community support is why I'd be worried if they are all behind your matrix instead of being on a open forum or etc...

Start9 1y ago

There will be plenty of resources for DIY users to get help. We have our docs, we have https://community.start9.com which is always free, and there will be other free DIY people helping DIY people channels as well I'm sure

Dan 1y ago

Some of the responses in this thread are freaking hilarious. Bunch of commies.

Start9 1y ago

Right? It's a little shocking. And we're mostly doing this to fight spam and scammers, which can only be done by controlling the server and charging for access.

Dan 1y ago

Probably a little less funny in your seat... but hope you guys aren't sweating it. You have a killer product and $100 is more than reasonable this kind of thing. Thanks for building Start9

Jón Kolbeinn 1y ago

I went the DIY route and I would gladly pay 100 usd to have this access. that's because your product is solid and easy to use.

node 1y ago

Is the redemption code the same as the product key? That’s all I see on the side of my Start9

Start9 1y ago

Yes

node 1y ago

Excellent thanks!

node 1y ago

I get an error. It says redemption code not found

Start9 1y ago

Shoot me a DM please, I'll get you sorted

Marc 1y ago

I think this is reasonable. I also have no idea where I put that card😅

Start9 1y ago

It should be on the bottom of the device too. You can also shoot me a DM with your order number, and I'll get you a new one

Marc 1y ago

Oh yeah. I totally forgot about that. Thanks!

mrecheese 🧀 1y ago

I'd pay $100 for access to the community forums, nevermind the premium service. The people there have helped me out of a jam a couple of times.

StellarStoic 1y ago

Actually, Zaps ⚡ would be ideal

MickBurke 1y ago

Anything for folks who purchased the OS back when you charged for it?

Start9 1y ago

That "product key" is a valid redemption code :)

MickBurke 1y ago

Wow! Thanks! I was hoping for maybe a discount. Very gracious, and much appreciated!

MickBurke 1y ago

Hey, Just tried this with my product code and got this. Any suggestions?

Start9 1y ago

Perhaps we don't have it on file. Shoot me a DM, I'll get you sorted

MickBurke 1y ago

Thanks, in the interim OPKIN and Mike got me set via your telegram support, so I'm good to go!

MoonKaptain 1y ago

Start9 has been the best experience I’ve had in self hosting. Yea. I know I sound like a bot, but it’s true!

StellarStoic 1y ago

It is true

Sondre | satoshiconsult.com 1y ago

Amazing, nostr:npub126ntw5mnermmj0znhjhgdk8lh2af72sm8qfzq48umdlnhaj9kuns3le9ll

But the feature I’m most looking forward to is clearnet connections for lightning nodes, that will be possible in StartOS v0.3.6⚡️

Start9 1y ago

Yes, 0.3.6 makes that possible with a little configuration. 0.4.0 will make it even easier.

Sondre | satoshiconsult.com 1y ago

Will StartOS v0.3.6 allow for Clearnet connection via nostr:npub1n9z4y3xjramqes8fp9rl96x5e4nl0hff57ynw7vqnjpq370tq78sljsp8y?

Currently it’s possible to use nostr:npub1n9z4y3xjramqes8fp9rl96x5e4nl0hff57ynw7vqnjpq370tq78sljsp8y on (not fully open source) nostr:npub1aghreq2dpz3h3799hrawev5gf5zc2kt4ch9ykhp9utt0jd3gdu2qtlmhct, but TunnelSats isn’t available on open source StartOS.

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https://github.com/Tunnelsats/tunnelsats

Start9 1y ago

I'm not familiar with it personally, but looks cool.

If the Tunnel Sats team or somone else from the community packages it for StartOS, then yes, it will be available 😃

We're available to help if anyone wants to take it on, should be pretty straightforward for StartOS 0.3.6 based on the looks of it.

blckbx 1y ago

IMHO the problem's name here is "community package".

I don't know how restrictive these Start9 packages have to be and how far they can reach into the Start9 system architecture. TunnelSats requires deep integration into the system layer (wireguard installation, network container implementation, port re-routing w/ nftables, ...). So basically afaik I think we cannot make use of a setup script to install TunnelSats from console but rather ship a s9pk wrapped TS package.

Start9 1y ago

StartOS 0.3.6 exposes all the OS access/features you need. But it certainly needs to be packaged into an s9pk using our guide and SDK

Sondre | satoshiconsult.com 1y ago

Noderunners on “Sovereign Computing” / StartOS are counting days for when we can upgrade from StartOS v0.3.5.1 to v0.3.6 to get Clearnet on LND and Core Lightning.

Question to nostr:npub126ntw5mnermmj0znhjhgdk8lh2af72sm8qfzq48umdlnhaj9kuns3le9ll / nostr:npub1j87rgjtftxaux3xd5nhthwavm3907ywnu8x0z0uywqntsv57vajshl3hzx / nostr:npub1tkeuhmq7rzy9p3ajfc2wkwhk552szqwp6ekmustd39aqm33cnu3q6zhzdx; Canthe StartOS v0.3.6 alpha become available for testing by Team nostr:npub1n9z4y3xjramqes8fp9rl96x5e4nl0hff57ynw7vqnjpq370tq78sljsp8y / nostr:npub1lcxze8wyt9zfgms0a2gkjp43qtw279k7mgj8hclrkm5p5t75mpjqkez7yk / nostr:npub1ch25m5lkk8kfepr63f0jnpd9te8l9f585pfpr2g2ma4pre9rmlrqlu0yjy + nostr:npub1vfl7v8fgwxnv88u6n5t3pwsmzqg7xajclmtlfqncpaf2crefqr9qu2kruy?

https://github.com/Tunnelsats/tunnelsats/issues/144

DM for new npub 1y ago

nostr:nprofile1qqsfarwer5s7se77c3jgdz5dra9z0s8pz0znuvhjhmq203hzttfwn4gpp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq35amnwvaz7tmjv4kxz7fww468smewdahx2tmfde3x77qa72dy2 I might take you up on that. Have you considered making an offer on satshoot? I'm sure nostr:nprofile1qqsdqnk0xw3s8fvc2t7mdq0d3dqjyqd6shvdyxv6a3eukcngr4324yqppemhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mp0qythwumn8ghj7cnfw33k76twv4ezuum0vd5kzmp0qy2hwumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnyv9kh2uewd9hj7ar5zpj will be happy to provide support around this freelance nostr client 😀

https://satshoot.com/

Five 1y ago

I might be missing some context. What is it exactly you need support with?

BTW this thread is a good example why I am betting on nostr-based web of trust reputation building.

While it takes more effort to bootstrap connections, it will definitely be a much more natural way of asking for help. More eyes and reach, more economic activity conducted by more trustworthy individuals than anywhere else online.

Companies will build their own reputation so impersonation and scam group shenanigans become very hard to pull off.

DM for new npub 1y ago

I don't think there are any questions at the moment. I just wanted to shill satshoot and I linked your npub, because I couldn't find an npub specific to satshoot...

Five 1y ago

Thanks for the shill! ;)

Yeah there is one dedicated npub but I don't usually post from it

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StellarStoic 1y ago

Imagine the Start9 forum had zaps ⚡ and we zap and zap valuable posts but then one day you get a DM saying...

*Thank you for your long time support. Your total amount of Zaps ⚡ grants you the right to join our premium community click this link to join* https://community.start9.com

Nostr solves this 😄

AU9913 1y ago

Bought the support with bitcoin (rewards from venmo credit card), even though I probably won't use it. Been a solid product and wanted to support y'all, can't believe there are folks bitching in the chat about it when this is how most Linux support works.

BlindOwl 1y ago

I wish you had opted for SimpleX instead of Matrix. But anayway, I would like to purchase the support option for DIY users, but I get no pay with bitcoin option at checkout.

BlindOwl 1y ago

Got it. Had to change to the Bitcoin store

Start9 1y ago

1. We love SimpleX, but it is not suited for large scale community management yet, not even close.

2. The "Pay with Bitcoin" button on the product listing page will take you to https://bitcoin-store.start9.com

Dennis 1y ago

Just bought a nostr:nprofile1qqs9df4h2deu3aae83fmet5xmrlm4w5l9gdnsy3q2n7dklem7ezmwfcpz3mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduq5xamn8ghj7dnvv45xs7tywde8g6rpvakkjuekw46nvar4vdhxgan6wumkxatzwpckk6rk0puhjdm2da5k7ce5x4kkkumjx3jkzepwdahxjmmwqyt8wumn8ghj7un9d3shjtnwdaehgu3wd9hxvmckqw0xz redemption code – support their product and get a lifetime membership with access to their team. It's a no-brainer, especially if you are running StartOS on your own hardware.

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deus 1y ago

Looks like product keys from the original OS purchased don’t work :-/

Start9 1y ago

If they don't it's because we lost it. Please shoot me a DM with your product key and original order number, and I'll get you squared away.

deus 1y ago

It’s all sorted thanks, Matt rectified it for me yesterday

:-)

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