The Core / Knots drama makes soooooo much more sense when you realize the sole Knots developer truly believes that his life savings of several hundred BTC was stolen by a Core developer. His life savings for which he was managing the keys on an internet connected laptop...
Yikes
Who would have lost the savings of a lifetime Jameson?
My main takeaway here is that Knots needs more developers. I also hope that Luke is wrong here and it wasn't a Core developer.
my main takeaway is don't trust, verify!
Some people care just about themself … but I also hope Luke is wrong
Why does this make it make more sense? The two things seem to be mutually exclusive.
It explains his otherwise irrational disdain for Core and the motivation to take a technical issue and morph it into drama on social media.
Maybe, just maybe, take a look how plebs started running knots because many people are not happy how the op return thing is being handled. Blaming it on personal issues with core devs does not make it magically a non-issue.
Yes, the drama was successful in capturing some people's attention and convincing them that running Knots is a solution.
You are also assuming that his ‘apparent suspicion’ is not warranted. What if we steal man this POV, would his position therefore be justified? I mean, if someone actually did steal his coin from a core dev, that WOULD be quite a serious thing, right? And why are we dismissing the possibility?
Core lost the battle in the court of public opinion, snd for good reason
That’s not all that matters, but it matters a lot
No they didn't, only for a few loud voices. Most others would rather run software that's being developed and audited by 100 top notch devs.
This isn't a smart form of protest but everybody do what pleases them.
The number of new knots nodes says otherwise
And the rest of people that run nodes probably don’t even know about the disagreement and just click update on Core the same way they update iOS
It can be 1000 devs developing Core, it doesn’t make what they are doing good for node runners
They do a really good job in keeping your node safe. You can verify that.
Safety is not the issue tho. They are prioritizing miners instead of node runners. It’s not their job to male sure miners get the most money or to cater to people wanting to use the network for non monetary users.
I’m not gonna rehash the debate, there’s plenty of videos on that already. All I’m saying is that the growth of nodes running Knots is a signal that informed node runners do not agree with Core’s actions.
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Plebs are running knots because they lack the technical understanding of how this actually effects Bitcoin and are just following the crowd doing what they feel is the right thing to do. In other words, it's virtue signalling.
That's one opinion. The other side will say other things.
Running an alternative client because you're angry at an unsolvable computer science problem doesn't sound like a great solution to me.
In short: plebs overcompensating.
And 'the more you suffer, the more it shows you really care.' there's a reason why people switch back from Knots to Core after a while, quietly.
Actually seems pretty rational to me. He may be wrong but he certainly has reasons to question their integrity.
Yeh so he has a past gripe, other folks trying to politik for the change have a present and future benefit with your shitcoinery and easier dickbutts.
Not saying you’re wrong or Luke is wrong but you have incentives to be irrational too
Don’t believe in everything you read.
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How do you know whether he "truly" believes, or recreationally believes? The difference implies you can read his mind. Also, I don't see what this point illustrates about the OP_RETURN debate other than you believe it's nothing other than drama, when that is not an element of the argument.
Wait, are you implying Luke's stance on OP_RETURN is just personal grudge-driven? 🤨
Yes but that's not to say he's consciously doing it.
Focus on what you're unconsciously doing, like joining team shitcoin
No, he has historically been against op_return. I'm saying this helps explain why they'd take a technical debate to social media to whip up hatred against Core.
1. He faked the theft to make core look bad because he anticipated this PR.
2. The theft happened and he's opportunisticly using what's likely one of the worst things that's ever happened to him to boost knots usage.
3. The theft actually happen and he has valid reasons to suspect a core dev, even if that's not what happened.
3 seems most plausible to me. Which one do you think, or is there another explanation I missed?
As if Luke was the only one calling out Core for its traitorous nonsense 👎👎👎
But what if his POV apparently expressed here is somewhat warranted
A bit more complex than that from what I've read.
HardCore wallet
Unrelated, but nice try.
It all started when Peter Todd sold half his Bitcoin 10 years ago. Pretty easy to understand his will-do-anything-for-money philosophy. That's a very big hole to fill at today's USD price. He's been on a quest for revenge ever since in the form of turning bitcoin into a shitcoin. https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/281ftd/why_i_just_sold_50_of_my_bitcoins_ghashio/
That must hit hard. No wonder he tries to destroy the protocol and scam others.
Don’t fight on X
Fight on Nostr
What is your point, exactly?
You are perpetuating the nonsense.
Confusing points of view with facts
The only question worth asking is: what is Bitcoin and is this it?
Could you clarify why it makes more sense? It seems unrelated to me.
nostr:npub17u5dneh8qjp43ecfxr6u5e9sjamsmxyuekrg2nlxrrk6nj9rsyrqywt4tp do you agree that taxation is theft? Do you and/or other core devs share Peter Todd’s opinion of demurrage as he discusses in this shitcoin video?
lol ignore Todd
That guy is just salty he sold half of his stack 10 years ago
Can't we just stick to discussion? Do we really need that kind of drama? Truly silly... This discussion is interesting and important. Everything around it is not important, if not totally unrelated.
Thanks to such smear campaigns by spammers, nostr:npub1lh273a4wpkup00stw8dzqjvvrqrfdrv2v3v4t8pynuezlfe5vjnsnaa9nk gets more and more credibility. Thank you nostr:npub1lh273a4wpkup00stw8dzqjvvrqrfdrv2v3v4t8pynuezlfe5vjnsnaa9nk and other contributors for Bitcoin Knots.
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So this is the only reason for you for all this drama...
One dev only is a source of all this ?
This seems to be a weak argument, don't you think ?
As some have already said, this "drama" only put light on some interested purpose, like :
- bitcoin governance which is devs + miners + nodes and not only one of theses.
- bitcoin have been born after a bank creases , and not to host other thing than BTC transaction. The proof of that is that any other "coin" try to host smart contracts, and others things without success... with BTC should have to follow the same path, if a part of the community is against that ?
- personal attacks are really useless for the debate on any side it come from. I mean there is enough to care about, not need to include here interest conflict, personal hate or bad feeling.
History will not remember that mister X stole mister Y, or that mister Y insult mister X because the project is higher than your little person.
You should all take the example of nakamoto in your words and actions instead of trying to find a default in others.
History will only remember if the #bitcoin stay a stable value blockchain for a long lifetime, allowing people to exchange value and do payment transaction as it was created for.
I am not as extremist as some, and can agree some place for other stuff only, and ONLY if it doesn't have any impact on the initial purpose of BTC, or his usage for transactions and fees. If this can be watched and guaranty, why not.
As i am not extremist in the other way, hoping the blockchain will be clean by opening another place to put extra data and hoping everything will be ok without any "firewall". And i don't agree spam is not a real concern. And as i read, it is not because the door is already open to spam nowadays that we have to do nothing or open a window, hoping the door will not be used anymore.
I had an interesting exchange with someone here that have talk about a real problem reveal by this drama :
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A short version is that :
- Miner are many
- Node are many
- Devs are few.
I am not saying it have to be 150 differents software (like nostr clients 😅).
But perhaps 2 could be fine.
Why ?
because at the begining nakamoto was anonymous, and no one could put any pressure on him.
Nowadays it is not possible anymore it should be a real serious concern.
Dev working on bitcoin are publicly identified, they can be under pressure of anyone, they can be blackmail... they can be paid a lot of money to do something for the good of the one who pay for it.
And here i am not only talking about core historical team or knots one but every dev that will work on the bitcoin software.
It is really time to over secure this point because it is a weakness.
And even if the devs are serious, some of their tools could be also under attack like git...
So yes, this drama have just put light on serious concern, and 99% really don't care about personal attacks, but more to know the potential problem and the possibles answers to it.
And no one can say stay quiet, don't worry and let the professional think and do things for you. It is just like fiat do. All of you guys are enough clever to be better than that.
#nostr #nostr4ever #btc4ever
You are an investor in a company that benefits for the update. It makes soooo much sense for me that you attack those, who don't need this update. Sorry.
Liar
Maybe some people just don’t want spam on the network. To simplify the argument to one man’s beef is disengenuous.
When one’s argument fails on merit, the next vector is to obfuscate by telling everyone they simply don’t understand the argument. When that fails, the personal attacks start.
Whatever you need yo tell yourself to sleep at night buddy ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
So you're saying that Core dev. don't want to change the code?
There is no Core /Knots drama. You're just trying to distract from the real issue, in which you happen to have a direct financial stake.
It's true, I have a direct financial stake in Bitcoin. It's nearly my entire net worth.
Just because you’re paranoid doesn’t mean people aren’t out to steal from you.
Wow I wonder if this did better for you on X. Nostr is eating you alive 🤣🤣🤣
last week you were saying possible motivations and intentions of a contributor or commebtator have nothing to do with this issue
that's not the point. Pathetic
Yes only developers can impose the changes. The users no!!! F… you and casa also. Mercenary i will block you
What’s the urgency for the change Jameson?
You feel, degradation of the #Bitcoin network is imminent?
There's no urgency, that's a false narrative.
This issue has been debated on and off for over a decade.
Humbly disagree. Being measured, particularly with #Bitcoin, and moving forward carefully cannot be stressed enough………
Applying arbitrary time frames that something is debated, as sufficient grounds to move forward in the face of disagreement is not wise.
The impetus to action should be attenuated with a rising market cap of #Bitcoin…………
I will ask again, do you foresee a significant degradation of the #Bitcoin network should the changes you espouse are not followed?
