i am focused on building out nostr because it has a real chance to obsolete facebook, tiktok, whatsapp, telegram, and x
somehow this has become a contrarian view, which is fine, go big or go home
Discussion
"i have a dream"
- martin odell king jr.
We need a one click install relay. It does not need to be fancy, but it needs to work in 90% of the environments it is tried. With well thought out requirements and preferably in platform repositories. It needs to be uniform across platforms and have a channel that allows support at a non technical level.
The goal is to get as many socially minded people to install it as possible, yet still keep it open and not seen as aligned with any political or other division. Ideally it would be seen as a platform where ideas and discussions can cross those boundaries. Maybe it is a "boomer dream" but I miss those early days of twitter and Facebook when civil discussions and shared ideas were the norm.
I'm in.
Of all the alternatives I have tried, I really hope nostr can work. The issue is not so much the tech, it is the division we have as people, (right vs left, Christian vs Muslim, daddy govt vs leave us the hell alone, etc.
We have the tools now if everyone can play nice. It will take time however.
Let’s go BIG
…real chance to OBVIATE facebook…
I even see it as the future of accounts and unlocking websites... So nice to go to a site and use a browser extension to sign in and be able to pay a lightning invoice same way - no credit card numbers to enter etc...
Digital Identity in a decentralized way ❤️
Every major shift looks contrarian right before it becomes obvious. Nostr isn’t competing with apps, it’s replacing the entire model.Centralized platforms had their run Nostr is where the next decade gets built.
Bien 👏 tenemos que seguir construyendo en nostr
LFG 💜
LFG
Nostr is galt's gulch
It doesn't need to replace them, just get away from them
I see 2 futures :
- back to stone age after we nuke ourselves, or
- digital and decentralized
The 3rd Orwellian one is not an option.
Open platforms are like forests, closed like gardens. It takes much more time for a forest to grow naturally, but once it does, it subsumes every garden, because gardens need constant upkeep.
Unless their permaculture gardens, but then Nostr is more like a permaculture garden than the normie garden.
*they’re
We need to have alternatives ready. Keep pushing. 💪🏻
If you achieve it by putting a centralized censoring proxy in front of nostr, what have you actually achieved?
Answer: You've just parasitically coopted an organic social graph to enrich a bunch of ship-at-all-costs VC fucksticks.
the primal caching server is open source, anyone can run it, and its user configurable in the app
its not that different from relays, a server that distributes signed nostr events
furthermore users can easily use any other app since identity is portable
the idea that all nostr apps must read directly from a specific type of server is a weird hill to die on
Why bother when it performs lime Amethyst gimped by Tor. What the Hell are you guys doing with that money.
Primal loads decently, I was just saying that Amethyst is catching up.
This is just in my anecdotal experience.
I’m sure by objective metrics primal probably loads faster.
Overall, I imagine that Vitor will probably add self-hosted tor caching if that’s a thing in a future update.
I’m just here on Nostr for fun.
its good that both amethyst and primal exist
the proxy is open source, you can run it yourself if you want
> Facebook, TikTok, whatsapp
These are the most boring use cases
Fuk yeah man!
their empires will fall
Utopia and Keet have a chance, too. Nostr needs in P2P!
Yes, but when I'm onboarding people, I hope they stay. And I notice they all find it more secure if they're on a central platform, which of course isn't the case. But just like your own bank, you now manage your N-SEC within the protocol. And you determine the algorithm, everything you want to see and don't want to see. So it takes a lot of work to understand what's being built. And unfortunately, people choose the easy way out and blindly follow the people who shout, "Don't build, don't want to learn, and don't want to change." And I don't see any specific help either. Some developers are seriously on their own. And "Don't trust verify" is becoming an old saying. People are simply no longer willing to do the work or waste their energy. And it's becoming increasingly difficult to recruit and select good people. 🫡🧡 Just my 2 Sats ( B💚)
The load looks crazy and clients arent reliable. For an outsider that is, lets say testing it starting from newbie view and tech uneducated.
People with no vision for the future get uneasy when they see others challenging the status quo because they are afraid of becoming obsolete. Their ego doesn’t allow them to consider that you see something they haven’t.
All in Nostr. Best tech wins 🫡🧡🗽💜
What about all the other protocol ecosystems trying to do the same thing? Is it winner takes all? And then the rest just like die off? In which case if nostr is not the winner then nostr just dies off.
Or maybe now is a good time for the ecosystems to work together, acknowledge that each ecosystem has its pros and cons, and see if there is any pooling of talent can be arranged.
Yes and no. I do think it's "winner take all" with respect to centralized platforms, because X will never interoperate with Facebook, same with TikTok, etc.
The exception is Mastodon and that's where I think we need to do much more work, because that system _can_, in principle interoperate with Nostr.
I still think Nostr wins in the long term, but in the short term it would really benefit us to have 2-way communication with the ~500k DAUs on Mastodon...
Unfortunately, there seems to be very little attention and developer effort right now in bridges like Mostr and Momostr....
Good
I think the sticky product at X is spaces. If Nest can create a quality experience I think we can chip away at market share. I haven’t been on X in 3 years. And that’s the thing I miss the most.
Totally agree, and I think starting at the community scale we can do a better job than centralized social networks. Working on a community digital board with feed, marketplace, fundraising, business services and calendar.
After studying nostr for my app development, I completely agree. Nostr is an open invitation to the world collaborate and be free.
Yes. Nostr and bitcoin only is the way. The fiat system with their walled gardens and censorship will drive people mad and forster further real bitcoin and nostr adoption over time. Adopting bitcoin and nostr now will give you a head start. Its still early but the development is mindblowingly fast. While fiat is burning, bitcoin is churning.. Tick tock next block. Tick tock next note. Love it
That's why I'm here too. On paper it is a longshot.
Unless we win.
Let’s go
Let's go 💪 but we need to identify and rally around the critical gaps
I'm with it, let's go, but how do we organize around the gaps? Anybody have any thoughts on this?
Fight Fight Fight 🚁👍🏻😁
It took about 4 years for Facebook to surpass MySpace in a time when algorithms were almost non existent. Transitioning addicted users to nostr will take time 🫡
Ride or die
Why does Thomas from PubKey shit talk about Nostr?
I thought, he was one of us 🤷♂️
📝✍️👀
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Some people will always love their oppressors
Similar here, I just think replacing all of this and LinkedIn and GitHub is achievable by well-designed communities with easy deployment and a credible exit.
Most of the real value is trapped in fiat marketplaces and platforms of collaboration (especially around software).
Unstoppable reputation and authentic connections in interoperable high-trust and high-signal private groups is the new internet in my book.
Go big Odell.
We've replaced most services already, which is amazing.
I think the two biggest targets now is Telegram and YouTube. Telegram is probably the easiest, but it's a massive task. Telegram has great performance, but their practices and how they never help anyone who get their accounts taken over, makes them deserve to be replaced.
YouTube is the biggest challenge, requires some innovation on architecture, distribution, etc.
Youtube is the hardes one to replace? why is that?
YouTube would be bankrupt in a few hours without ads.
They allow everyone on Earth to upload and serve 8K videos.
They store insane amount of data and transcode everything in many sizes.
We need some innovations to build this and critical mass of users (providing compute and storage).
yes
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All on here would agree. It’s those that aren’t that need to be shown
So how do we do that?
I believe Facebook is already obsolete. YouTube and Instagram users have been asking for something new for a long time because these social networks have been increasing their rules and restrictions.
SWING FOR THE FENCES
Love it Odell! Onboarded a few friends to nostr this year. We all need to start by just simply getting our peers to download primal. I love sending them zaps. It’s a grassroots movement!
How come it's become contrarian view?
I’m with you over here in Louisiana.
Nostr will win 🏆
100%! Nostr is exactly what the internet needs, open, censorship-free, and built for the people. It’s bold, it’s disruptive, and it’s going to reshape social media. Keep pushing, this is huge!
No doubt, this is why I find it very interesting
This is also why you will only find nostr:nprofile1qqsy67zzq5tc9cxnl6crf52s4hptdwhyaca5j7r8jwll535tdadedvcpp4mhxue69uhkummn9ekx7mqpr3mhxue69uhkummnw3ez6vp39eukz6mfdphkumn99e3k7mgf23tnf on Nostr and nowhere else.
X is so lame now…
How about Google Maps to be replaced ? It’s kind of social network between people and places on the map, and is centralised as well.
My two cents for getting more traction.
nostr:naddr1qq2kxmmww3jkuapddphk76edwd68yct5v4nhjq3qdyw3dr3qzs4estmf5v4hje0z6deweqczuslyjchkak2k5u503y8qxpqqqp65wf66q4x