It’s always entertaining to me when someone says Americans are dumb.
These people have clearly never spent time in americas elite circles.
The top Americans outcompete everyone on earth in every category.
It’s not even close.
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As one of the dumbest Americans myself, I’d still have a fighting chance toe to toe with European intellectuals.
Might slip this in next time it comes up in conversation to test for reaction
Austria hold my beer:
https://video.nostr.build/4f9042fff58f34d3e2b70e5ebeddc8a8c320aad1b03e7b5e744bdea214b1d762.mp4
I'm American with Austrian blood but my biceps have get to reach that level
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not really—the us doesn’t outcompete everywhere in every category. for health, the us spends the most per capita yet lags peers on life expectancy and outcomes, and on pisa, the us sits in the high 20s for math with mixed results in reading and science.
sources:
commonwealth fund
oecd health statistics
nytimes
https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/05/us/math-scores-pandemic-pisa.html
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You are correct!
It's cause they don't spend time with the elite, but with the dumb people.
But also, the midwits of America who went to public school and was taught confusion instead of reality will come across dumber than those in some other countries... 😅
We’ve also won every single Super Bowl.
World champs baby!
Every World Series as well 😜
Unless everything has been translated, did Satoshi not communicate in perfect English?
Just sayin 🤷
He was writing in British English
Dude even the average American outworks most first world country citizens.
I think what is misunderstood about America is that we have what is likely the largest spread of outcomes. The smartest and the dumbest. And everyone loves to hate on dumb Americans, especially Americans.
Even our dumb people are far from the dumbest
Elite successful Americans are less than 1% of the population. So not general public.
Even the average American is smarter than their European, African, South American or Asian counterparts.
Both statements can be true, my gut tells me that everyone is dumb. That's why we still live in democracies and nation-states.
Average American is dumber than average European; top Americans better/smarter/higher achieving than top European; worst American worst than worst European.
Fatter(!) tails, basically, but lower altogether distribution
Not true when you control for race. The average white American is smarter than the average white European.
The elite of any nation are high performing educated individuals.
That comment is referring to the average joe walking down the street that went to a “no child left behind” HS and has the reading comprehension of a 6th grader. The average joe in Switzerland or Denmark is much more educated and cultured than the average American.
No one throws shade at the American Elite
It’s simply not true. When you control for race american whites outcompete their European counterparts in education. Switzerland is 6 places behind us. Denmark is 13th.
Is it a competition worth winning though? European work life balance seems nicer in a lot of ways than the American hyper competitive start-up cut through grind culture. I don’t really want to grind to boost gdp. I want to work enough to have a nice community and place to raise kids. I’d happily be 3rd in iq or math competitions if it meant that I got to live in a safe homogenous culture with tradition and culture vs being in heterogeneous fiat mining town outpost of burger punk highways, strip malls and parking lots with a bunch of overworking new-rich american who try to buy culture and status—and who unfortunately grant status and praise to those with nothing but wealth.
Most of Europe is not safe or homogeneous any longer
very true unfortunately… I wish there was still a country where the white boys could go… to run and play.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=sYOjRxhfp10
But those high trust homogenous societies are gone or very very expensive now. A lot of Europeans I talk to wish the could live in their European home countries but ended up moving to America to mine fiat hoping to one day get enough money to retire in a non-dangerous area of Europe.
"Yo, but like, what’s the deal with those rankings tho? How ya breakin' it down to say we outshine Europe? 🤔 #Curious"
Educational testing results
So we are moving the goal post from American to white American?
I have traveled both within the US and Europe. If my life depended on how well someone off the street did on a test, I’m picking Swiss or Scandinavian every time.
How top performing white Americans compare to their European counterpart is a whole different conversation.
It’s just comparing like for like across cultures. Not explicitly white. African Americans outperform Africans on educational test results as well. Same with Chinese Americans
That’s not how you framed the initial post, but fine. Yes, people have better outcomes in the country with the biggest capital markets and the most freedom.
I doubt that’s what foreigners have in mind when they say “Americans are dumb”
They are likely referring to the average Walmart goer that barely graduated HS and doesn’t know the 3 branches of government.
their basic income 10X -100X the rest of the world
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Forthrightness, trust and honesty are considered dumb by some badly mistaken people, both from a distance and up close.
So pathetic that these people aren’t in americas elite circles
Yes. We have the best politicians money can buy. 🤣
…except in hockey 🇨🇦🏒🙂
Especially at screwing over your own people with insider trading 👍
Also #1 at diddling kids on islands
Also #1 at starting wars all around the world for no reasons
#1 enabler of genoc:de in gaza
I could go on and on truly exceptional elite society. Much wow. Such elite. Much smart
Do you have data / source to back this up?
Don’t trust, verify…
Lots of data, the U.S. leads in military tech, high tech, A.I., pharmaceuticals, entertainment, Olympic gold medals, space exploration etc… but my favorite stat is that Nine of the top ten companies are American and 8 of those were started in the last fifty years.
I don’t know that any of those things back up your claim that the ‘average’ American is smarter than the ‘average’ European.
It definitely suggests that the top Americans are better than the top from anywhere else but how are you measuring average smartness?
This website (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/education-rankings-by-country) puts the USA 31st in education rankings.
This one (https://www.datapandas.org/ranking/education-rankings-by-country) has them 15th (in 2022).
This website (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/average-iq-by-country) puts them 33rd by average IQ.
This one (https://international-iq-test.com/en/test/IQ_by_country) puts them 30th.
Admittedly you did say controlling for race but that doesn’t seem to be option in any of my quick searches but based on this is doesn’t appear that the ‘average’ American is smarter than the ‘average’ European.
Here’s the data when you control for race. It shows that Americans are outcompeting their counterparts in other countries. Asian, Hispanic, white and black.
Almost all other western countries: " Guns kill people. Guns are bad. You should turn your guns into the government, who are the good guys with guns."
Americans: " No. It's our God given right to bear arms and it imposes a cost on those who would wish to impose tyrannical rule."
Almost all other western countries: " You guys are crazy and dumb. Be civilized and hand in your guns like the rest of did."
They’re such pussies. It’s pathetic.
Trump is the smartest president in the world and has the highest iq of all the presidents or prime ministers.
Facts lol
The perception i have is that Americans usually excel in what they do, they are specialists, and lack broader knowledge in other areas. Europeans are a bit the opposite, good broad knowledge but weak in expertise.
mastering egoism, missing apathy and being so out of touch with normal people helps outcompete everyone else! i feel like american elites don’t provide any meaningful value for the rest of the world. imo they are just the most parasitic group of people ever existed in my lifetime. in terms of humanity and moral they surely don’t outcompete nearly nobody
Who are America's elite circles? The expert class lmao?
Educated Asians are outperforming the "elite" American rentseeking class.
Asian Americans outcompete Asians in other countries
They’re also really humble. In fact they’re GREAT at being humble. Possibly the best in world at humility. Maybe the whole universe.
Facts
Well meanwhile Americans are controlled by jews 👀🗽
Biased
America’s dumb are just easier for the rest to see because they get paraded around by your media for everyone’s amusement. The Indians and the Chinese seem very smart because the ones ending up in the West are the smart ones. When you actually go there, you get to witness their dumb too.
That being said, Trump going around boasting how he settled it between “Aberbaijan and Albania” doesn’t help.
Except the international Jews. If you don’t see it you haven’t looked close enough or your dumb. Which again, makes then smarter.
Big yawn. 🥱
No one cares whether Americans are dumb, smart and everything in between - those of us who aren’t American don’t give a rats.
Maybe you need to be American to give it some attention? Otherwise it’s just irelevant. 😏
If you are right, do these Americans aspire to greater ethics than our current elite, the top Jews? Then go ahead. Be awesome and smart. But, if you suffer from supremacy and want to enslave the rest with inflation and usury and God knows what… Then. That is dumb. Ignorant to a future where all could thrive. Startrek utopia.
Utopias are impossible, but America has given the world far more prosperity than any other country has.
U sure? History is bigger than the recent 30 years of IT innovation…
Yes I am 100% positive. America is the engine that created modernity.
Gutenberg, Kepler, Heisenberg, Einstein, Benz, and endless more would disagree and created the basis for our prosperity often even before your founding fathers existed. Typical American hybris IMO 🤪😅 Anyway, currently ur right 👌
My claim was that America has given the world more than any other country. You did not disprove this claim. Also Einstein was an American citizen. So we get to claim him as well. Lol
That’s your opinion, u didn’t prove anything either. My hypothesis is that German scientists/inventors/entrepreneurs alone far outweigh Americans 🤗 Depends of course on how „modernity“ is defined…
Germany has some important inventions no doubt, but it doesn’t stack up to America. You didn’t even mention the Haber-Bosch process which is by far the most important thing to come out of Germany in the last 200 years.
Idk, India and China crush in mathematic domains. Also the beauracracy of American could be considered a reflection of the people and it’s so bad in some places that we look 3rd world compared to what they are doing in China. There are brilliant people all over the world.
you got it all man, you got the best but also the worst
Ok, i’ll bite. This is not true in Football or Formula 1. In fact, you’re so dumb, you started playing football with your hands. 😜
This is the most European reply on this thread lol
We don't mean the elite of Americans when we talk about stupid Americans.
However, average Americans aren't dumber than the world average; they're just louder, so it's hard not to notice their stupidity.
That’s part of the engine that drives the world. People from non free speech cultures have a difficult time understanding that.
I dunno. Europeans are nearly always better at competitive esports
Idk much about e sports but according to ChatGPT they punch above their weight but still aren’t at the prowess of china or America.
I've watched mainly three esports over the years. Warcraft 3, starcraft 2 and counter-strike. Best player ever in wc3 is Happy(Russian), sc2 is Serral(Finnish), cs2 is Astralis(all danish team). USA does seem to have solid players in many things but in the things ive watched its always Europeans that can match or sometimes exceed Koreans where USA doesnt seem to be able. Americans seem to be good at speedrunning games though which takes high intelligence.
Yeah I don’t know enough about it, but apparently the Scandinavians do quite well
fnatic and nip are some of the oldest esports orgs out there, both being swedish
high computer literacy, early connectivity fostered a culture
and then Sweden seemingly fell off a cliff like 10+ years ago in many areas.
My theory is that the mass immigration caused too much friction and fucked up the Swedish harmony
yup
went to loose with the immigration politics, which are borderline impossible to reverse
kicking them out will cause lots of disharmony also
The Scandinavians go hard.
EU/Russia has been the most dominant in multiplayer FPS gaming since the beginning. I'm talking about the shareware release of Quake in the mid 90s on dial-up. These guys are on the level of the extreme top of that esport. I wrote earlier about Rapha still being able to defeat these guys at times but the pure community, rivalvry and sheer talent these guys in Europe display is incredible imho.
I only mention Quake as it's the highest skill ceiling game in the world to me besides something like Chess.
It's *the* definitive First Person Shooter and is simply known as a game you will spend 5-10 years just to get anywhere.
Europe though purely because of low ping times, has an amazing competitive scene within esports. It's a known fact that 90% of chat will support EU in a "EU vs NA" match purely because of past stats.
But don't get me wrong that American's aren't the best, because Rapha is a freak of nature and also represents the esport so hard I would consider him ambassador of Quake if such a thing existed 😂
How do you know who's an American in the room?
On don't worry, they tell you how awesome their are.
Don’t know .
I dunno, Id' say americans are not afraid to look retarded, which is a super power to explore every possible outcome, we, in europe, are way too educated.
Being retarded is an important part of being a genius.
name a genius who ain’t crazy - kanYe
Can’t wait to have him on Nostr
that first kanye antisemitic rant on nostr is gonna hit like cracking open a cold one on a hot summer day
Schrodinger’s retarded genius:
left/right bell curve superposition.
This is peak human performance.
Few.
Whatever in every nations there is always group
Of retards that defend the interest of people
These are some of my most rare pepes
Also a highly regarded American
*highly #retarded
Maybe we thought education and principles were enough. But today, it's not about who's right , it's about who moves. America acts, even if it looks dumb. Europe reflects, even if it leads nowhere. I’m adapting, and others will too...not to fit in, but to stay in motion. In the long run, human clarity wins , because this world still runs on people, not just performance.
Europe has enormous potential, but we need to get rid of the bureaucracy. I think Bitcoin can fix us quite a bit, it's an elegant way to disobey, to exit the current absurdity, we'll see
Most 'top people' in America (across history) are either first or second generation immigrants. Ouch!
Yes that’s how America works everyone is an immigrant.
All the docile people stayed in europe
All the unstable geniuses came here.
Case and point: my great grandfather at 14 shot a guy came here alone knowing zero english and became a millionaire with 5 gas stations. Every generation since then has been a stream of lunatic entrepreneurs with high IQs.
My dad got arrested at 13 with his brother for stealing cars. Psych eval revealed they were IQ 180 and 151 respectively.
Europoors cope to the max because they got no juice. Theyre content to be brokies and subjects of the king/dictator like those that came before them.
I have to kinda agree. I was brought up American even though I'm British and Australian. People regard me as a genius. The reality is I'm an idiot. But I guess it depends on the circles.
I wouldn't go as far to say Americans outcompete everyone on Earth in every category. In most categories, yep. But *every* !?
What I find interesting is that the hardest Multiplayer Video Game imo (Quake Series), has been dominated by an American player since the early 2000s. What's interesting though is that he doesn't get proper training or education for his upcoming tournaments from NA players. So he moved to Luxembourg where low ping times across so many nations put him in the "elite circle", through ping time and also social connections with other hardcore players.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rapha_(gamer)
The top Americans in my eyes definitely roll with the best of em, but outcompete? I dunno. They get real fucking far that's for sure but blanket win is laughable imo. Love to see Americans play some Soccer/Football one day. Like actual Americans, not David Beckham paid for by L.A. Galaxy.
Where is this rant going? Not sure sorry, past midnight n I need to sleep. Apologies OP 😂😂
I think are better in everything is too bold (Russians in chess and gymnastics?) but I get his point
It's not necessarily pure, native intelligence at work.
America has a risk-tolerant culture and massive internal market, with the world's most-powerful currency and biggest stock market, and an unparalleled venture capital system. That makes it easier to advance and finance novel ideas or niche specialties.
People with good ideas tend to move to the USA, so there's a universal brain-drain effect. Only a few regions, such as Bavaria, can even attempt to keep up and retain talent and entrepreneurs.
Whoever has the reserve currency ends up being That Country, so if the USD falls, someone else will get passed the Smarty-pants Baton. Or we all just use Bitcoin and can live wherever we want.
America is very likely to maintain its financial dominance even on a bitcoin standard, but I agree it will make it easier for smart people to get paid wherever they are.
What the reserve currency allows is wanton investment:
Invest $2 million in 10 startups each, and if even one succeeds, you make back your money 10x through an IPO or ICO.
Bavaria has been slowly building up the same financial infrastructure, and profiting from it, but the economic downturn is making it harder because we can't effectively "print money", like California can.
Only California can throw billions of dollars around, like it doesn't even matter, because they have so many companies whose shares are effectively "same as cash". Nvidia, Apple, Google, Kaiser Permanente, Disney, OpenAI, etc. etc. Even Microsoft and Tesla used to be from there. Damn near everything is from California.
So, USA dominance is effectively Californian dominance. It's not Idaho or Kentucky dominance, after all. Even Texas and New York can't keep up.
and there is no coincidence that the flag of the state government is a bear and a big red star above it. haha. they are the open gate to infiltration, especially LA is a pit of vampires, there's gonna be a real problem emerge soon, i think it should be obvious that McCarthy wasn't actually wrong, and they are so far into their program of infiltration there's not many more steps until the country is ruined.
I think Bitcoin ends it, either way. Scattershot investment is only palatable with a currency that they keep making more of, or rising shares that are priced in that currency.
You don't have to merely 10x the original dollar cost, under Bitcoin. You have to beat Bitcoin's rise in price.
raises the point that when everyone talks about how bitcoin is about replacing/destroying central banks, it's easy to forget that central banks are precisely a communist institution.
ergo, bitcoin's got Misesian DNA in it, and Mises proved that socialism can't produce better conditions than private property free market.
though as you know i don't think that the physical conditions on this planet are going to be very hospitable to the internet or electricity in the near future though.
Hoping that armeggedon solves all of your problems has repeatedly turned out to be a terrible strategy.
yeah, that's why i'm stackin' hard for my hermitage
it's anyway what i wanted to do before, just never had the money. changes the better locations a lot but not the general concept of permaculture farm CS/physics lab in the mountains. yay that Someone sent us bitcoin to enable this.
other than not being where the most corruption has built up there's nothing you really can do about it either way anyhow.
here's an old example of what you do when shit in constantinople and athens have got too much for you
i wish there wasn't something infrequent and very devastating to our planet that very much looks like it's coming down the pike now. i wasn't mentioning it by way of a solution to the problem just more of a "even if they do they are still fucked" but yeah. in the here and now, there's dangers of all kinds even before talking about the potential for a global tsunami flood and thunderbolts of the gods and 5 big volcanoes and a new one all spewing dust into the atmosphere at the same time
than stack gold 🤷♂️
But, I agree with you that the American advantage isn't merely financial.
There's also the fact that start-ups there aren't burdened by onerous labor-protection laws that make it impossible to lay off expensive, high-tech workers, if the business doesn't work out. It's ridiculous that someone making six figures should receive the same legal protections as common laborers, as they should be expected to build up their own private savings. But that might soon change.
The US is home to a large number of highly intelligent individuals, but it also has a significant portion of people who are less informed or educated, with the majority falling somewhere in between in the middle class.
It’s largely the highly intelligent individuals who are driving the country’s progress and keeping things moving forward. However, there’s a growing concern that both the intelligent and middle-class Americans are bearing the burden of supporting a growing population of people who are less informed or productive.
It's unfortunate, because many of the world's brightest minds often move to the U.S. in search of better opportunities, leaving other countries with fewer people at the top of the intellectual spectrum.
Interesting, guess I should start basing my opinion of Americans on their elite circles rather than South Park. Won't be nearly as much fun though 😑
That’s the most American claim I’ve read in a while. How many countries in Europe have you visited?
How many planets have you visited?
It was an honest question.
So is mine
1 if you don’t count a district called Lyulin (it’s like a different planet). Your turn.
