What is the reason there is so little conflict and negativity here on nostr?
Maybe because this place is a beacon of freedom, populated by freedom lovers? And having love of freedom in common makes other differences a bit unimportant?
At the same time, freedom is increasingly being painted as extremely dangerous by media and governments.
Maybe freedom is actually conflict limiting? Uniting us, rather than dividing usā¦
Yes.
More simply, the celebrities and lame stream media complaining about politics aren't here.
Less doom scrolling, less doom posting, more optimism. Smaller communities also have more accountability.
One day on here made it obvious how socials was designed for the doom scrolling. I literally donāt want to open twitter anymore, only reason I still do is muscle memory.
The algos prioritize engagement above all else and we tend to experience negative emotions more strongly than positive emotions. The doom loop keeps us engaged but feeling progressively worse.
A simple reverse chronological list of thoughts from people I choose to follow keeps the negativity in its proper context. The darkness is then overwhelmed by the light.
Also, being allowed to get to the end of the new stuff is critical to knowing when it is time to put Nostr down for a while and go do something else.
I didnāt realize how much I missed the āyou have seen all of this before, stop coming hereā signal.
Hard agree. Itās so nice to check in, and then easily close the app without the need to do some mindless refreshing.
Totally agree and zapped ā”š¤
Is this peace of mind /end of ādoomscrollingā something that will endure after Nostr scales more?
Or is it only happening because weāre early?
Nostr really does remind me of the RSS/blogging days, and the Usenet days before it. And even the early days of Reddit and Twitter.
Back then you always got reminded that you were being compulsive if you kept going back even when there was nothing new to see.
The algorithms just keep feeding you the next thing they predict youāll engage with. The algorithms also search far and wide for things you havenāt directly asked to see but which they know keep people engaged. Those things tend to be negative.
It likely furthers balkanization by increasing the prevalance of echo chambers. People will see less of what they want to see even if they need to see it.
The mid wits have not arrived yet.
Maybe there are not critic minds on here and only sheeps .... Sociology is a pseudoscience.
Only sheep on nostr? Are you for real?
Lol yea everywhere I look on here I just see NPCs that are willing to just accept what the mainstream feeds them and have no interest in exploring alternatives that may improve their lives and may improve the state of humanity.
This person was offended that a dev was blocking spam. Shitty elaborate troll or clown. Block.
Thanks
I protect sheep. Just like Bitcoin...Woof!
I had this mindset too early on. I was watching people repeat slogans of decentralization and censorship resistance when the platform had yet to earn such claims. I still think Nostr has a long way to go before it proves this over time but after getting past my initial resistance I do believe this protocol has a real fighting chance. I believe the Nostr we get will be a direct result of the feedback and participation we put into it. It's a platform where a well reasoned argument can influence the direction of a feature even if there is no financial incentive for that feature.
To answer your question I believe people on Nostr find themselves in an environment where only the people you want to follow are providing you with content. It's not being force fed to you through an algorithm that makes you engage with people wether it's good for your mental health or not. I think this makes it so you argue with people less and cooperate more. There are risks to this as wel though. We don't want to trap ourselves in an echo chamber where can't separate signal from feedback.
Itās just not incentivized. We resonate with the positive and distance ourselves from the negative.
The Follow system and the lack of algorithm trying to be smart ensures your feed is as you curate it.
Itās about freedom and itās also about the lack of āthe algorithmā.
It is bullshit made for you to interact, no matter the interaction.
Here you interact with people you follow or have something in common. You choose really freely and not manipulated by some algorithm
I think we shouldnāt underestimate the power of Algos designed to amplify posts that draw emotions (good and bad) out of users.
I do agree the general Nostr user is bitcoin and thus freedom oriented, making it less negative. However, I also think the unique way Relays work allow for even more organic engagement than other social media platforms
Could it have something to do with the absence of an algorithm that is constantly spamming your feed with (ideas, opinions, garbage) that you never wanted to see? And here you can precisely curate who you interact with. Idk. Just wondering.
Probably a contributing factor
I was musing about the same thing over the past few days. Conflict on here seems really low. People are polite. Collaboration and help seem to be flowing freely. Itās a breath of fresh air.
I basically only see bitcoiners here. People are people, wait until enough tribes join and conflict will arise
Itās a breath of fresh air tbh. I feel as though places like Twitter actually can artificially inflate conflict to benefit them in factors of engagement. They purposely add fuel to the fire and built put an algorithm that gets people fired up. This, in addition to bots and paid shills that do the same to play to specific agendas. Itās all orchestrated chaos.
This, imo. Also because the masses have not arrived (yet).
Once they do you get adoption, but with that comes the toxic mass vibe.
Good and bad, both.
Followed your lead in moving here from twitter
Posted very similar note yesterday.
My take is that here we just self organizing and connecting instead of being steered by the algorithm that promotes negativity and shitstorming because it creates engagement.
Here quality content and positivity creates engagement.
It will be very interesting to see how lack of algorithm allows people to self-organize into social circles that aren't constantly fighting.
Maybe all of that.
Maybe it's also just a big ole Bitcoiner echo chamber.
Just sayin. š
Bitcoin is freedom and truth
Nostr is still small.
Current user-base is mostly bitcoiners discussing bitcoin.
People tend to be nicer if they agree on what they are talking about
Because 4chan doesnāt know about it yet
Thereās not a lot of Politics on here which is good. I love Max Keiser and he once said that with Bitcoin you donāt need to focus on Politics anymore. I think that prophecy is showing on Nostr.
I control things pretty smoothly here maybe that's why. I don't know.
-Amanda Wolf, Executive Assistant at Nostr
Early adopters in general are more open to ideas (they wouldnāt be early adopters otherwise)
That would be my first reason, then as you say not only here is a community skewed toward early adopters but also freedom lovers. Le dream!
Individuals will almost always choose the path of least resistance when possible. Freedoms allow the individual to choose their way forward.. conflict is rarely that path (except when necessary to protect freedoms).
We are experiencing this in action.
There is no force creating division
Most of the hostility comes from the manipulation of public opinion by politicians. People across the Pacific Ocean have no reason to hate each other, except for aggression and massacre of the country. Ordinary people love freedom, peace, and communication. #Nostruniverse will be peaceful and happy, because there will be no public opinion that money and power can manipulate.
the implied law of nostr is: rather than complain about something, build something better instead. or at least help in some way. maybe that is what freedom loving really means in any case.
what ever the reason, I am enjoying this.
For me freedom promotes respect for others and their right to the same freedom I want to enjoy for myself. Itās almost like God knew what he was talking about with the golden rule.
Because Nostr was born out of an act of love & giving š
Pretty much only bitcoiners come to Nostr. What conflict can bitcoiners have?
Thatās some legit insight, it def feels different scrolling through Nostr than Twitter
Iāve heard it said that itās like the early days of bitcoin or the early days of the internet. It took me a while to get here, and I wish I had more to contribute to the conversation, but Iām enjoying the buzz in this space and seeing zapping mfāers left and right š¤
IMO the lack of conflict here is due to:
(i) Early adopters having more in common with each other (e.g. love of tech); and discussions are more about building than politics
(ii) Even where we don't have opinions in common, we don't feel that 'wrong' opinions should be condemned or censored
(iii) Zaps & tips encourage positivity & cooperation rather than conflict
(iv) Also, lack of ease of quote retweeting helps, IMO: heaps of quote tweets on the bird app are encouraging followers to mock someone else.
Because it's not driven by an algorithm which goal is to polarize people opinions and so boost engagement and sell more ads for more $$$.
Short answer is because nostr is run by Bitcoin plebs, so thereās no question of negativity
The cia and itās bots arenāt here yet hence the peace and quiet. Hope it stays that way
By growing in users the environment will be more toxic, the only way to keep nostr usable is to prevent that an algo leads to see contents that triggers. Over and over again. A social platform lives on your wrath, trigger, fury and prejudice. They are here to ruin the sovereign individual, they are here to prevent you from giving a fuck about your nation, religion, sexual appetites and behaviour. A social platform is not a social platform. A social platform is a bar where you get a beer and talk about tje fuck you want with friends and ppl. Let nostr be a fucking bartender.
My wife looked at my Nostr feed the other night and said ā Wow, the people on here are SO NICE!
People are not clout chasing on Nostr. With the Zap feature, people with low followers count can be compensated for the quality of their post and interactions.
What is it about twitter that brings out all the trolls and the worst in people. One is goals and the other is the algorithm. Everyone on Twitter is trying to get Twitter famous and the algorithm ensures that the quickest way to do that is outrage and appealing to the worst in people. People here are actually trying to engage with one another and there is no algorithm to reward bad behavior.
Also because it is a new technology, and nostr doesnāt get promoted on brainwashing MSM. I see it on myself, when I am negative, I mostly donāt use my brain :)
itās early days, as disagreeable as we may be individually, people that are early here are like-minded for nowā¦ conflicts will emerge when the global town square moves in but every individual has better tools at their disposal to curate their experience to a degree that isnāt possible in the centralized alternatives.
Zaps/tips also donāt seem to incentivize manipulated or negative messaging. More pure economic signal.
As most have said, this space is currently filled by those that care about something: freedom ideals, bitcoin, new tech. And it is enjoyable. Other platforms seem to be used by people as a way to vent their anger to others with little consequence. They have no care for why others invest their time in that platform, they just want to rant about something.
few people. :) also, one goal: we all like Bitcoin and want to see it flourish. ^_^
I think perhaps itās the personal responsibility side of freedom. On Twitter we gain clout for yelling at whoever is doing it wrong. On nostr we take responsibility to build the solutions we need.
First of all, the perception of people who can come here and like it should be very high. Secondly, everyone is a like-minded person.
Nostr is largely populated by bitcoiners who are typically knowledgeable liberty advocates who already understand many of the negative processes in the world.
Combine this with less reach toward normies, and there is less incentive to spread news here and inform regular people of what is happening.
Then I'd assume the Dunbar number plays in; smaller crowds are more personalized crowds. As a result people here at Nostr share more private, face-to-face type of comments and content.
its a filter. the baddies dont know how to use nostr....yet....
Letās see what happens if all the nocoiners comeā¦
They will ask for sats š and maybe start accumulating
To believe in freedom is love-- it requires belief in the value of the individual
Less tourists. Higher signal.
Like the people in El Salvador šøš»
Quality š§” because we are early.
Thatās true. When you have freedom, you donāt feel attacked by others. Less lashing out.
"If you do not expect the unexpected, you will not recognize it when it arrives." - Heraclitus
Echo chamber? Let's see after the first billion user.
My guess is because there is no delete button so it deters bad behavior
Because it takes some effort to explore how to use Nostr.
Generate keys, find a client you like, verify on a service for your identity that costs money, find follows.....
Proof of work..........
That way it's treated with respect and a low time preference.
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Only the innovators and early adopters are here, and we are alike...
We are early here. Haters will come š
Itās conflict limiting because itās the opposite of ideology which drives conflict. But I expect ideologues to find their way here before long.
Negativity is like an invasive weed. All is well until you spot a little patch, then it spreads like wildfire. Keep the grass thick and green & the weeds won't spread so easily
Because it's 100% bitcoiners and honestly a complete echo chamber :D Echo chambers are pleasant, I do like having people agree with me all the time.
I would love to believe it. Bust most probably common folk just did not arrived yet š¤·āāļøš
Or weāre making the BIGGEST echo chamber known to the internet.
Was thinking about this too
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I think it's because nostr is currently filled with enthusiasts and is in somewhat of an idealistic phase. Some toxicity will come eventually for sure.
still seems like mostly a pleb echo chamber, the normies will come.
Because the algo isn't pairing people together based in engagement, ie arguing with one another.
Freedom in spirit and psychology is the basis of all freedom. And only in complete freedom will there be real peace and environmental sustainability. In a world of conscious and responsible people.
All these things start out civil and fun. Just wait until more diverse users show up and then different opinions start to show and then people form tribes for each side.
Amen š
