Nostr suffers terribly by leadership all having gigantic accounts, so that they don't know how dull and lonely and frustrating Nostr can be for the remaining 99,996% of us, down here in the steerage class.
Twitter didn't get so big by being
50 Million People Wait for Jack To Post Something
I tried to get some of them to switch to smaller alts, to empathize more with the Long Suffering Nobodies, but it turns out that the don't want to be Long Suffering Nobodies. 😂
They understand 💯 that it is a permanent position.
I hear ya. I wonder what the experience is for the old HAM radio guys. Spending hours to make a contact? I have no idea....... I guess try to be humble and stack connections? What alternative is there?
#asknostr
Give me your best ideas on discovery, and I might do something about it, no promises though 😂
We need to solve this shit.
Does the gitcitadel project provide solutions for archiving versions / authenticity of ebooks? I wonder about the capabilities of maintaining authentic copies on projects like Gutenberg that don't drift overtime.
Yes, we'll have remote versioning of documents on the #NFDB relays, and we're building local git vaults.
Now, even Jack only gets a couple hundred likes per post at most. It's telling.
What do you propose to fix this?
Jack needs to post nudes... lol
The reality is, Nostr is awesome, but it needs better marketing—read that, communication of value to the end user. I got hired on by NOS only to have the funding fall through at the last minute. I've laid out the pain points, and I have actionable solutions. If someone wants to get me onboard with some funding, I'm happy to help. It's what I do best. Until then... I'm just an overqualified cheerleader.
I don´t want to see Nostr die, before it has the chance to take off.
Its a good plattform. Its X but without restrictions...
Maybe if there are some alternativ news outlets (non-Bitcoin news) joining nostr, it could attract others. Now we are just Techys and Bitcoiner.
gives web3 vibes ngl
Nostr is not a platform. No one gets excited about email. You just use it. That's what nostr will be, eventually.
Nostr is a platform
And this is a good reminder that you have me muted for being too real, even though you gaslight me about it, pretending there are other reasons
So you complain about nobody reading your stuff, but Nostr is too young yet.
Then you complain and cry he´s gaslighting you when he was just clearing things up (for people still learning like myself)
And earlier today you admitted you didnt read my conversation with the Commie but "if i am a nazi i shall go back to facebook"
Guess what... Im gonna mute you too.
This crying and pissing of people is not beneficial.
Better get some people skills...
If you're a Nazi you can go back to facebook. If not, weird move to mute me
Hopefully.
I am excited. Just now really diving in whats possible. Love it.
When I tried to start a newspaper on nostr, no one gave a fuck, I got like 1 like and repost after multiple issues - nostr:npub1hms7gyycmjnwulruaz6v797znk24ut8vwuhrvc7ag8pwtjgr886qm08888
Now I'm possibly the most muted human on nostr
Bringing high quality people into a low quality community, in a low quality population, in a slow 1-at-a-time trickle, doesn't fix anything
Build stuff
Elon spent a fortune buying twitter. You can’t expect #nostr to be anymore than what it is when it’s open source, technologically superior with a steep learning curve. It’s most probably gonna die out like many other contemporaries.
the best is when they bring people here and they're like, "see look how cool?!" and those people are like, w t f its just a buncha porn spam. and then they're like "no it's not I only follow 100 people, I never use any app but what I wrote, and all my posts are scheduled engagement zap farming."
not sure how old Primal is, but there is still much to improve. i am just starting out with engagement and seeing how far i grow here
mimimimi, cry harder and louder please.
Ah I remember what it was like being streerage, back when I had a mere 480 followers, but I have built my brand to 483 now and it is getting harder to relate.
what is streerage?
If you don't know then I am not going to tell you. Seriously... I was hoping you could tell me. 😬
well, it's not a word? at least nobody has used it before.
It is a typo, but now I have to keep it so your comment makes sense.
i figured you meant to type strange because that fit in the context
Steerage is a old type of cheapest passanger class when people used to cross the ocens in liners. First class at the top, second class at the water line, third class below it. Steerage used to be down in the bilge to the rear of the ship between the boilers, engines and steering gear hence the name.
probably a good model for one's class on nostr, i guess i'm second class. maybe third. newbies are always steerage.
anyway, i came here to be with my tribe, who have been exiled from the rest of the internet. we built this ship. i'm an engineer.
484
Hahaha
Would be interesting to know the lists of recommended users the different 'maim' clients are using. And being able to see how they have changed over time. I suspect they're the same as from 2 or 3 years ago. No interest in looking for good new users since then, and no interest in removing inactive accounts.
Just go to https://primal.net and spin up a new user. I downloaded the list, a few months ago. Was an interesting read.
Will have to do that when home.
I wonder when this recommended users feature was started, and if it has ever changed on that time. Not sure if there's a cache for this lol.
I *believe* most clients just lazily use the same lists too (could be wrong)
Feeling lonely on Nostr? Come and follow me... You will miss those lone times really soon.
I respectfuly disagree.
Engaging with the content you like and people around it works just fine.
Creating content you can‘t find has a slower start but if one puts the work into it, plus engage with those who might find it cool, people here are very supportive (at least that‘s my experience).
In the end, Nostr - meaning this social network alternative - in 2025 really isn‘t about follower count and likes (and I‘m saying this while I hate to hear it from others 😁), but more about finding your tribe, or building one.
It is true though that when you download primal you are recommended all the accounts of the people who run primal. I’ve heard numerous people complain about this. I don’t necessarily have a problem with it it’s their client they can do what they want and I can decide who to follow etc.
Nostr is great but the reality is that most people want to be spoon fed content through an algorithm that harvests their data. IMO we are still quite early for nostr to gain significant traction outside of the ideological freedom lovers and bitcoiners.
I hope things change and I think they will as centralized social gets even shittier and Nostr improves.
if nostr is not used for social media, I can live with that.
what matters to me is things like NWC, runstr, shopstr (probably in some better form), conduit .market (if it takes off), routstr, catalax .network and many other I forgot to mention.
users don't have to know about nostr
We need the social media use case to keep the relay network up. OtherStuff all rides on relays and uncensorabilty will decline, if the number of relays goes down.
Kind 01 notes are the Nostr equivalent to hashrate. That's why they had to come first, in the spec.
You don't know that.
01 is important now in early stage, who knows what will in the future.
Take dns, everyone runs it because it's useful. We don't know what kind will have "hashrate" utility.
But my view might be skewed because this the first social media I seriously use. I was on twitter for maybe a year (and got pretty sick of that place tbh) before nostr.
None of the OtherStuff has enough users to keep the nodes up (yet).
I'm hoping to get institutional customers that only need to maintain their own node-network, but the social feed is the strongest pan-network use case. We need that use case hopping to keep Internostr exchange up, so that the Intranostr npubs can use the external nodes to hop from one Intranostr to another, smoothly and without being conspicuous, and to occasionally join the Internostr conversations.
Otherwise, you end up disjointed islands and the value proposition melts. Communication networks should be noisy and busy.
I understand that.
It very well might work the other way around where the islands realize they would benefit in having notes from other islands.
e.g. you have a zapstore with it's own relays and want to talk about apps (or specific app) and that app has it's own relays where people use all kind of notes. both will benefit with publishing to each other's relays.
other staff
How to get followers and engagement on nostr:
Make sure you post stuff jack, Derek etc want to repost.
I know it's similar on other social media, but at least there there's vast communities of 'taste makers' respected within certain fields/interests.
People who have specific/niche interests do stand out on nostr, but they tend to not last long cos there's not a community for them. People do like their posts and appreciate them but they are not getting the conversations they are actually looking for.
The yo-yo guy (I think he's gone) for example, but there have been many. Yeah he got appreciated, he stood out. (He wasn't even saying the price of bitcoin when it reached ATHs!! It's a pretty low bar lol). But he probably left for a forum or for Reddit or there's probably dozens of yo-yo people/community bubbles on twitter, or insta etc
Yeah I liked the yoyo guy. Also the banana pin person, and the inkblotart, and art in general, homesteaders, new junior developers and vibe coders, video gamers, poker players, mempool casine bettors, zbd community builders, dungeons and dragons, and even the e-thots. Many come and go. Goonies never say die.
This is something I am just realising having started this ALT recently. My previous npub had over 650 followers built up over a couple years and I would have fairly good engagement and decent conversations. Not always, but enough to keep me engaged, after all I'm only a pleb looking for mild levels of engagement, not some InfLuEnCooR.
But now on this new npub it feels like shouting into the void again 😂 it is possible to build up a tribe and engage with each other on nostr but it's a slogg of months to years unless you're following the nostr zeitgeist.
If we truely want to #grownostr we need to make a more concious effort to interact with each other's posts with comments likes and zaps, but most importantly by comments! Even some dumb throw away comment is better than the void 😂
Why don't all active ones follow each other?! Everybody has 20k followers, everybody is happy.
I think you’re saying that discoverability is a big issue.
I don’t understand why anyone would care about Dorsey.
Leadership? There's influencers but not much in the way of leadership. That's difficult to develop.
Web of Trust at its finest 🪄
I will never shut up about how horrible Web of Trust is for user adoption.
We shouldn’t use a gun to kill cancer on a Petri dish.
"I will never shut up about how horrible WoT is."
That's my version.
I think the zapstore use case is a legit use.
Oh I didn't know you are not into WoT. Share more?
I don’t think I’ve ever been pro-WoT, maybe WoT curious at times. Perhaps at the beginning when I did not understand it properly.
When you really think about the long-term effects of WoT you realize how detrimental it is to the growth of Nostr.
Until the death of WoT, or at least the current aberration that is implemented by most clients and relays, the OGs who managed to amass a big following just need to sit on their asses while the new user will struggle to get any attention. The new guy’s only hope to become relevant is if one of those OGs looks hard enough and follows them.
The OGs did not have a WoT filter to pass through early on, and had that been the case, most of them wouldn’t even be here. I probably wouldn’t be here.
WoT kills spam but it also kills the host.
Hmmm, so it appears that I don't understand it properly. Can you help me understand what happens and how is it that affecta my pretty dead engagement levels which many others seem to experience too?
Sure! People only see posts from those they follow, or from people their follows follow, it may or may not get any deeper than that.
Unless you are well-connected, this creates a bubble for yourself. If not enough people follow you, or if those that follow you don’t have many followers, then your posts stay within your little circle.
Your followers can help you by reposting your content, reacting, or replying to it, for it to be viewed by those outside your bubble but still part of theirs.
You can increase your visibility by tagging your post with popular relevant tags.
Let me know if that helps!
Yes, WoT is a form of nepotism, which is the _opposite_ of PoW.
Community relays actually alleviate the worst effects of WoT, tho. I think you're wrong about that.
They at least give everyone a chance to be quickly seen and prove themselves. If you get thrown out of a community, you can go someplace else, or start your own relay, and your newfound frens can follow you. There's no lag.
With WoT, nobody ever knows you came, you wallow in obscurity for quite some time, and you then leave without making a single sound that anyone heard.
I'm not an OG, but I arrived right before the WoT stuff started and everyone stopped looking at global, so I've had to really scrape follows together. Npub by npub.
That's why I sit in steerage, even though I regularly trend. It's a paradox that confuses everyone. Why is she always so frustrated and angry, when we all see her stuff and respond? You can see my stuff and respond because I've worked on this from sunup to sundown, every damn day, for two years.
It's been absolutely brutal and if I weren't trying to market projects and promote my frens, I would have long since thrown in the towel.
This has been way too hard. It doesn't make sense that it's such a struggle to post such popular content, but I simply missed the OG jump and am permanently screwed.
Also, I hit a complete follow-wall around 6k. Nothing I did budged that number, for nearly a year.
Sometimes went entire weeks without adding a single follower. That is completely unnatural, so I have questions.
What leadership?
Most of what I see is by libertarians with about 8.5 followers and a little bit of Theo Vin🍷, sometimes referred to as nostr:nprofile1qqs2gndun24r2utk5l20tscsdprw5zttvm0qk58w8xhl2ja2kmzt7jcpvemhxue69uhkv6tvw3jhytnwdaehgu3wwa5kuef0dec82c33x5ehsmt90q6ry7p5vd5xge3hx5mksupnwym857rpvaukk6m9dvmhqer8wa6hwepsxu6rjd35v34hj6rp89ensvnj096ns0mzwfhkzerrv9ehg0t5wf6k2qg7waehxw309ahx7um5wgkkgetk9emk2mrvdaexgetj9ehx2ap05npa2h
You're doing it right
You follow 0 people?
And look at me here thinking you need to follow some people actually not to be lonely here?! 🤔 i dont know... hey thats just me... I dont think your followers and not followings will make you less lonely. 😒
I have 30 something followers and follow 50+ I aint lonely here at all... 🤣✨️🤓🖖
As an experiment I recommend all the Devs made a new account, on primal. Tick all of the interests when making it.
That's what the average person sees when they get here.
Someone needs to have a talk with the people at nostr:nprofile1qqs9xtvrphl7p8qnua0gk9zusft33lqjkqqr7cwkr6g8wusu0lle8jcpp3mhxue69uhkyunz9e5k7qg4waehxw309ajkgetw9ehx7um5wghxcctwvsrrnrxl
They don't even have gardening as an interest when you onboard, they push the same group of limited interest people onto everyone.
And according to almost everyone primal is the best for onboarding..
Come on now this ain't right
I think the principles in play here are that genuine communication is a two way street.
Follow all the people you like, get the perfect feed, but when you post something and no one sees it, no one even knows it exists, that is the hollow fiat communication.
Empty user experiences are hard to onboard with.
I like the "free market" feel of Nostr.
Like moving into a new town where nobody knows me. Laying low at first, not going on stage anywhere. Observing what's around, what needs are already covered and where there are gaps. Checking out profiles of people with comments I appreciate. Keeping the permanency in mind, gradually putting out some of my own, building trust. It would be alarming to instantly have thousands of followers!
The global feeds aren't a great place to start. The follow packs are handy, and those can grow.
#grownostr
That’s why we need more people, to dilute the obvious accounts that end up controlling the narrative, that are pushed by most client apps or followed for the zaps. To be able to create an alternative of interests, of people, of visions for the small accounts.
Hilarious how the engagement on this post kind of refutes your whole theory.
Say things worth responding, reacting and paying for, THAT is how nostr is modelled.
Twitter has everyone extended on credit then at a moment's notice, they get throttled and banned. Just like how drug dealers sucker new customers.
No, it proves her point. She's one of the big leaders that we all follow. And she deserves to be - this isn't criticism in the least.
I like that extended credit drug dealer analogy. Very apt.
I like living in the sewer. Less noise down here.
your loneliness, anger toward those with “more”, and need for recognition of your significance started long before nostr ever existed
damn
Feel lucky to enter the party before the mainstream!
When people start to see your gigantis your leadership will begin!
Opinions are key. Up to you to see things for yourself
In my view: there is a proof-of-work required in Nostr usage. You have to go and find what you need, follow, interact, zap, and then filter what you don’t.
Challenge: spend a week doing triple the amount of zaps you’ve done befor. Then see how it feels…?
follow me
I just looked through my follow list. Interestingly, I have some of the biggest accounts all the way down to some of the smallest, with no big gaps between sets of numbers. Just observing and interacting with ones I appreciate as I go.
I thought I'd see an obvious dividing line between follow counts, but not really.
steerage class lol
yeah some days it's boring but sometimes i find super interesting stuff. on those days i zap and repost. this is the way
Nostr fudders are back. 👆
Trending 24 is real
I still think shouting into the void will work eventually.
Proof of work is the way to grow!
In all energy manifestations
So Nostr's strength is its weakness?
Your signal drives your engagement.
#WTFSTR 😄
"50 Million People Wait for Jack To Post Something"
i hope we don´t have so many sheeps here
you are totally right, we need more people on nostr
#plebchain #followcahin #grownostr
A decent enough solution **_would be_** hashtags, and new users are suggested hasgtags instead of npubs - would be, but isn't, because people abuse hashtags and then people unfollow the hashtags. I suggest limiting the number of hashtags that can be added to a note, or relayed as a relay policy - 3 tags seems like a good maximum.
That way, interest groups break off into their own silos, instead of the current psychology of an implied demand for conformity.
Hashtags only retain utility within a good relay.
How does a relatively less techy person know which relays are good? How do I check their differences?
Look at the global feed and scroll for 15 minutes.
Eww. I don't like the global feed. I think I can handle one level higher in the techiness department, if it means skipping global
You are whitelisted on theforest, so everyone sees you there.
Cool, thanks
I'm guessing it's this "theforest.nostr1.com" thingy in the top right? I see notes... I could do a little test... Okay but wait, what does this have to do with finding good relays?
Jumble is a relay explorer. You can look at the feeds of different relays. There are just safe-for-work examples preset, in that list, but you can add any relays you want to regularly look at, or combined relays into one feed.
Ooooh it makes more sense now. That was not obvious... This merits more exploration
