The left has Charlie Kirkās blood on their hands.
Iām going to keep saying it because itās true.
You donāt like hearing it unfollow me.
Discussion
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Thanks for your opinion Mr Due Process
Just listened to you nostr:nprofile1qqstm84k2lp9knmvmf5gw88zvfvar7duvfpqfplryfystdn55ug2gkspz4mhxue69uhhwmm59eek7anzd96zu6r0wd6qz9thwden5te0wfjkccte9ejxzmt4wvhxjme0zrtam7 nostr:nprofile1qqstnem9g6aqv3tw6vqaneftcj06frns56lj9q470gdww228vysz8hqpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuurjd9kkzmpwdejhgqg3waehxw309aekzarnv9nk2tnc09aqpg8ftm on nostr:nprofile1qqsvfr3f7p95stxqrjslnmuvsmhcxxxqt8swjdfjx5tz7zq0yms5cygprpmhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuumwdae8gtnnda3kjctvqyxhwumn8ghj7mn0wvhxcmmvefpyzd podcast discussing Charlie Kirk.
Heavy stuff but It was excellent.
Iām in Aus so weāre a little bit removed from it but someone being murdered for opinions is shocking.
Bitcoin is the Third Rail.
Anyone who compares the āotherā that they disagree with to Hitler has blood on their hands. Itās easy to throw extreme words and labels out there, itās harder to take the time and self awareness to thoughtfully engage in meaningful discussion and mutual understanding.
Are you referring to JD Vance or RFK?
Man, Iām an extremely forgiving person. I struggle to see the bad in people and do not assume malice where stupidity or laziness or another more benign, usually more likely, explanation is available. But I just canāt do it in this scenario - itās practically a direct line.
LARP!
I donāt hear you calling this guy out
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Happy now fag
Much better.
Appreciate you doing that š¤
Now I hope the rest of the people who say theyāre on the side of truth have the guts to do the same.
These bioleninists cannot be forgiven
That take is about as smart as blaming price inflation of specific items on the left. Both sides are problematic.
The left are in mass celebrating and cheering for a manās death. Donāt give me the both sides routine.
This type of thinking only increases the divide, imo.
This type of thinking is called being honest and objective. The type of thinking youāre doing is called magical thinking. Where you believe that whatās happening can be wished away by pretending itās not as prevalent as it truly is.
I donāt believe Iām doing magical thinking, I just try to stay true to what is right in my mind. And pinpointing the death of one on the collective of another when that exact mindset fuels nothing but more hate and rage doesnāt seem right to me.
Like I said
CASE AND POINT āš¼
What exactly did you say? Are you blaming it on me because I support single payer healthcare? Are you blaming it on my neighbor who supports the EPA? Are you blaming it on my mailman who supports same sex marriage?
Are you blaming it on Liz Cheney for calling out autocratic behavior?
So is calling Hitler behavior Hitler behavior.
You canāt say āthe other side is an existential threat causing mayhem and murderā and then get upset at them for saying mean things about your side
Do I need to Bert and Ernie this for everybody?
Murdering popular American conservatives on college campuses, Ukrainian refugees on trains, healthcare executives outside of hotel lobbies, and Christian school children in classes or during morning mass increases the divide.
Pointing out culpability is simply pointing out reality.
Culpability resides in the individuals responsible as well as a growing passion in hating a collective of individuals in society. Whether that be left hating right or right hating left. Calling out the death of one individual as the responsibility of a collective of many isnāt reality in the slightest.
The individuals who did the murdering are distinctly responsible for their actions, yes.
And what worldview were those individuals shaped by? One of woke, progressivist, Marxist, godless ideology. A worldview that frames man like Kirk as a fascist Nazi pig deserving of death. A worldview that celebrates such a man's assassination as not only justified but morally and politically necessary.
This is a worldview shared by a majority of those on the political and cultural Left wing.
I understand that a lot of folks on Nostr are anarcho libertarian types who exalt individualism and reject the left/right frame. I won't make assumptions about where you are. But I will say that reality is comprised of more than just individualism. Left and right are not always helpful categories but in instances like this are appropriate because individuals don't act in a vacuum. The Left is comprised of people who by their own volitions enjoin themselves to a particular collective set of dogmas, rituals, liturgies, and beliefs.
Theirs is a culture of death. And you know them by their fruit.
I donāt think this type of thinking is up for much debate. I respect your opinion but disagree. I am not godless. There are multiple similar comments on the Bible by which my viewpoint is framed but this is one:
āBut I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous.
Say it loud, say it proud šÆ
Seems more like deep state operation to me. They want us to turn on each other rather than turn on them.
Yes itās a deep state operation that leftist nurses, teachers, doctors, professors and business people all across the country are celebrating gleefully the death of Charlie Kirk
It's fucked up that they are celebrating. Don't let anger cloud your judgment. Our enemy is the state.
The state is just a weapon. Itās who wields it that matter
We the people don't weild that weapon. It is out of control and it must be dismantled. That is why we Bitcoin. Bitcoin is here to destroy fiat and cut the power to this war machine.
Separation of money and state is a big long and yes important mission but in the meantime itās equally important that we donāt let communists gain power.
I agree but it is the power that is the problem. I just watched Nepal overthrow their government while communicating through nostr. All I'm saying is make sure you are aiming in the right direction.
Digo y pienso lo mismo, hace unos dĆas se armĆ³ un debate acĆ”, para mĆ la izquierda es una enfermedad mental
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Did you have the same impression about Luigi and the healthcare-exec murder? (ie, American broken HC)
I donāt see any logical/sane person celebrating the murder of someone. Wtf are we doing
Lots of Americans did when Osama died. Though I'm not certain how many Americans are logical or sane.
Yes I was disgusted by the Luigi murder and the reaction of the left.
Ultimately I agree. People can go on about whatever they want in regards to who pulled the trigger, but fucking miss me on āboth sides are problematicā. The left is riddled with radicalised low IQ freaks who have no regard for anyones wellbeing that opposes them. Not sure how anyone can argue that
Also a leftist pulled the trigger
Glad to see such a turnout in England š“ó §ó ¢ó „ó ®ó §ó æ
Clear-headed, strong men need to unite and fix the bullshit.
No more!
All of these people are LARPs.
When I hear them call out nostr:nprofile1qqsgydql3q4ka27d9wnlrmus4tvkrnc8ftc4h8h5fgyln54gl0a7dgspz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumt0wd68ytnsw43qz9nhwden5te0wfjkccte9ehx7uewwdhkx6tpdsr5yary for funding anti racism and giving the woke movement a voice for 10 years, or nostr:nprofile1qqs0rxy6jmt44guxkny8z4pkym9mxckqxfytygxuntjn6l80hj409sgpzfmhxue69uhhqatjwpkx2urpvuhx2ucpzemhxue69uhhyetvv9ujumn0wd68ytnzv9hxg68297e for funding trannies, blacks and leftist organisations around the world, then Iāll take you seriously.
Agreed.
OK Trump
Ah yes keep the divisive rhetoric alive. Pretty sure the murderer is the one with blood on his hands.
What about the thousands that cheered it on, justified it and showed zero remorse for his family. Also the damage it does to the discourse we feel comfortable and safe to have as a society? These people arenāt sane. Plenty of fence sitters who arenāt politically aware vote left as itās the safe option. Weāre not talking about these people.
Youāre right. But my argument is that talking about them on social media doesnāt do anything. It only creates the illusion that youāre doing something productive.
Whoās to say these āfence sittersā arenāt doing things behind the scenes? Donating money, helping real people within their communities, etc. Why is talking about it on social media the ācorrect wayā to progress? Itās not.
Thatās fine, Iām not questioning the morality of those people at all. Most of my friends are in that camp, theyāre good people although quite naive in their world views. No one said itās the correct way to progress did they? Itās just a conversation, freedom of speech thatās all imo.
Quoting one of the best posts in have read on this:
āEvents like Kirk's assassination are integral parts of a larger system designed to create chaos and profit from it. Whether you celebrate or mourn, your emotional reaction is precisely what this network thrives on, using it to manufacture consent, expand surveillance, justify censorship, and militarize control. Charlie Kirk, like his assassin, was a "useful idiot" for this apparatus ā more useful dead than alive to push their agenda.
They want you angry. They want you divided. From engineered mental illness and drug addiction to weaponized identity politics and the rollout of digital ID and Central Bank Digital Currencies (CBDCs), it's all part of the same playbook to consolidate power.
The truth is never going to come out the way they want you to see it. You need to stop being a node operator for violence and weaponization.
Don't be a useful idiot. This isn't about left or right; it's about a network controlling us all. Learn how to protect yourself, escape the misinformationā
Respectfully, you may be in too deep my boy. My prescription is stacking sats but also diversifying into other hobbies
Do they? How do we know this guy is not a loser Nick Fuentes fanboy? We know like 1% at this point.
Hereās what we know, does this sound like a groyper to you? Youāre likely reading antifa disinformation bs https://primal.net/e/nevent1qqsdg5yrwkddcndwg6lkxgjzhxcu503g7t5cspt9nrzjl6t05xlqqlsqancnq
I've seen that, means nothing. Just hearsay. He left 3 gaming memes, a 4 chan reference and an anti fascist song. That's all we know so far.
He very well may be a hardcore lefty, but he also could be just an online loser. The point is we have no idea at this point and shouldn't be assuming anything at this point.
Perhaps you are 100% right, and likely are, but I have no idea, neither does anyone. Yet.
Heās a leftist. Itās obvious. You and others are just muddying the waters to fulfill an agenda. Either yours or someone elseās.
An agenda? Lol. As a career newspaper man and someone who currently employs a number of journalists across a few newspapers, it is insane the assumptions being made at a global scale on both sides.
I don't care if he's a righty, a lefty, or in between. He murdered a husband, a father and a seemingly fantastic human being and should be beaten to death in prison. But facts are facts, and right now we have none.
Also, FYI ...
I used to work for the paper too, means nothing. Most reporters are retards. Like the retraction below exemplifies. Thanks for the update on that. I wonāt use it as a source going forward.
Being a 3rd gen publisher and having now run multiple papers for the past 20 years is not exactly the same as having worked for one, ha. But I hear you.
Let's hope the bastard starts talking or they find something soon.
I come from a newspaper family. My father was a publisher, my grandfather was a publisher.
You know as well as I do that most reporters are morons these days. The glory days are long over.
Awesome.
It depends on the publisher and type of coverage. Local reporters that investigate city, county, state, zoning, taxes, crime, etc ... tend to still be very good under the right direction and have major impact in their communities
National website ones? Absolute trash
Political ones? Mostly Trash
The problem is that the regional monopoly on ad revenue is dead and that was propping up the entire investigative prestige journalism stuff. It sucks but we arenāt getting back to the days of Edward r Murrow anytime soon.
I like it when you talk about ideas rather than events ir people.
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WELCOME NOSTR š«”šŗš²
JUST AS BITCOIN IS POW WE NEED TO DO OUR OWN DUDILIGENCE...
HOWEVER I WOULD RESPECTFULLY SAY THAT THE SYSTEM IS CORRUPT OVERTAKEN BY RADICAL LEFT PROPAGDIST... THESE MEDIA OUTLETS STIR THE POT AND WATCH US AND LAUGH.... LURE EVIL
THESE OUTLETS NEED TO BE HEALD ACCOUNTABLE..
THESE PEOPLE MAKE ME SICK š¤®
STRAIGHT UP šš¼ IF PEOPLE CANT SEE COO-COO THIS... THESE GUYS ARE DERANGED LEFT-WING LUNATICS THEN IT MAKES IT SO EASY TO SEE THEIR IQ AND MINDSET...
IT SHOWS WHO THEY ARE ITS THAT SIMPLE... LOW IQ šŖš¼
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Bulletproof, cohesive, rational argumentation right here...
All this does is sow division.
This mindset is the very nest of partisanship.
It ends no conflict. It ensures its prolonging.
I start thinking this is the whole point.
The fact that it's such a US thing should really make one question it as such a done-to-death topic. It's the soap opera you can't let go of.
I SPEAK FOR MYSELF NOBODY ELSE MY WORDS AND I SUPPORT WHEVER I SUPPORT..
TRUTH HURTS ..
EVIL PEOPLE ... THEY HAVE MENTAL HEALTH ISSUES..
As you said on the pod, the celebrating from the left is more telling than who the shooter aligns with.
2 things are true
- they will continue to say who the shooter is or just, motives, etc.
- way, way too many people on the left cheered this on. From fringe left online to normie left joshing around on socials
My question isā¦what do we do now? Itās either going to get a lot better or a lot worse, for everyone.
Letās say HODL was sitting down with democratic leaders and āleftā political/media leaders. Like you were their consultant on how to unfuck this situation and move forward. What would you say? What would you instruct them to do (if were to continue living in a pluralistic, liberal democratic society)
Iām posting below a long but good read by Robert sterling over on x. TLDR: moderate left need to grow a pair and clean house.
āWarning: long rant)
My liberal friends are completely oblivious about how radicalizing the last week has been for tens of millions of normal Americans. Zero clue.
Iām not talking about people who are āonlineā; I mean regular, everyday Americans. āNormies.ā People who scroll through Facebook posts and Instagram reels from the Dutch Bros drive thru line. Political moderates who have water cooler chats about Mahomes touchdowns and Bon Jovi concerts, not Twitter threads or Rachel Maddow monologues.
Millions of them. Tens of millions. Theyāre logging on, theyāre engaging, and theyāre furious.
And Iāll be candid: They blame you guys. They blame the left.
Regardless of whether you believe it to be justified, they think youāre the bad guys here. And they are reacting accordingly.
I can already hear some of you racing toward the comments to start screeching in moral indignation, so Iām going to be blunt: Shut up and listen to what Iām telling you. Your movement will lose any semblance of relevance if you donāt develop some small measure of self-awareness, andāabsent someone force-feeding you bitter medicineāyou guys collectively lack the humility to do this on your own.
Here are the facts:
Fact 1. Tens of millions of Americans started the week seeing a 23-year-old blonde womanāa young woman in whom virtually every parent watching pictured their own daughterāstabbed in the neck by a career criminal. These people then found out the murderer had been released from jail 14 times over.
Fact 2. Two days later, tens of millions of Americans watched a video of Charlie Kirk get murdered speaking to college students. Millions of these people knew who Charlie was; millions of them didnāt. Upon seeing the video, however, these normal Americans from across the land and across the political spectrum agreed that he was the victim of a terrible, fundamentally unjustifiable crime, and their hearts broke in sympathy for his family. Good people who had never even heard the name Charlie Kirk before wept.
Fact 3. Immediately after seeing the footage of a peaceful young man get shot in the neck, these same people logged onto Facebook and Instagram (remember, we are talking about regular Americans, not perpetually online Twitter or Bluesky users) and saw some of their local nurses, school teachers, college administrators, and retail workers celebrating this horrific crime. Not just defending it, but cheering it.
These are all facts. You may not like the implications of these facts, and we can certainly debate the underlying causes thereof, but, indisputably, they are nevertheless factual statements.
Hereās what it means for you, the Democrats reading this:
These normal, middle-of-the-road, non-political citizens just become politically active. They realized that politics cares about them, even if they donāt particularly care about politics. After watching Iryna Zarutska and Charlie Kirk both bleed out from the neck, they think their lives and the physical safety of their familiesāthe bedrock of human society, the foundation of Maslowās hierarchy of needsādepend on political activation, whether they desire it or not.
These people are now sprintingānot jogging, not walking, but racingāto the right. Because they blame you guys for everything that just happened.
When they see footage of Decarlos Brown stabbing a Ukrainian refugee to death, they donāt see just one demon-possessed man. They picture every university administrator, HR bureaucrat, and DEI apparatchik that ever lectured them about systemic racism, the ācarceral state,ā or the need to release violent crime suspects without bail in the name of social justice.
They then think back to conversations theyāve had with their cop friendsātheir buddy from high school who quit the force after getting tired of being called a racist, their friend at the local YMCA who vents about having to release career criminals because Soros-funded prosecutors arenāt willing to file chargesāand they realize everything the left has told them over the last five years has been utter bullshit.
And they blame you. Because, even if you count yourself as a moderate Democrat, your party supported the district attorneys, city council members, and mayors that let fictitious concerns about mental health and racial justice supersede very real concerns for their familyās safety.
When these Americans see blood erupt from the side of Charlie Kirkās neck, they donāt see just a martyred political activist. They think of every extreme leftist theyāve ever met who (1) calls anyone to the right of Hillary Clinton a fascist and (2) constantly jokesāājokesāāabout punching Nazis and ābashing the fash.ā
They realize that there really do exist people who wish to see them dead for their moderately conservative political beliefs, their Christian faith, and even the color of their skin. They ask themselves if the violence visited upon Charlie might one day show up on their own doorstep.
And they blame you. Because, even if youāre just a center-of-the-road liberal, you lacked the courage to police your own ranks. You let modern-day Maoist red guards run loose across every facet of society, and what started with social-media struggle sessions has now turned to 30-06 bullet holes.
When these Americans log onto social media and see their neighbors justifying, celebrating, glorifying murder, they realize that some who walk among them are soulless ghouls at best, literally demon-possessed at worst. These peopleāwhether they faithfully attend church every Sunday or only attend with relatives once a year, on Christmas Eveāstart talking about things like spiritual warfare. They implicitly understand that no normal human casually celebrates the mortal demise of a peaceful person.
And they blame you. Because, even if you condemned Charlie Kirkās murder, they probably havenāt seen you condemn those in your own movement who cheered it on. They view you as complicit in allowing heartless fellow travelers to celebrate death, and it repulses them.
For all of these situations, what has your response been? Nothing but bullshit.
In response to Iryna Zarutska bleeding out on the floor of a train, you post bullshit statistics about reductions in reported crime, when everyone whoās ever been to a major urban center in the last decade knows that actual crime has skyrocketed, only for victims not to waste their time reporting it to cops that donāt have the manpower to respond and prosecutors that seek to downgrade as many felonies as possible to misdemeanor citations.
In response to a 31-year-old man taking a bullet to the neck in front of his family, you post nothing but bullshit whataboutism.
> āWhat about January 6th?ā (Honest answer: After you let Liz Cheney spend two years operating a star chamber in the House, combined with countless other failed attempts at ālawfareā against Trump, no one cares anymore.)
> āWhat about Mike Lee making a dumb joke on Twitter about some guy in a mask in Minnesota?ā (No one outside of Utah, DC, or Twitter knows who Mike Lee even is.)
> āWhat about Paul Pelosi?ā (Thatās not comparable to Charlie Kirk getting shot, and we all know it. And, again, Paul who?)
> āWhat about regulations on assault rifles?ā (Thatās not going to get you very far when one of these killers used a knife and the other one used a common hunting rifle.)
In response to teachers, healthcare workers, and thousands of other liberals cheering on Charlieās murder, itās nothing but more bullshit and misdirection.
> āItās not THAT many people celebrating!ā (Yes, it is. Everyone has seen it on their Facebook and Instagram feeds.)
> āI thought you guys didnāt support cancel culture.ā (We donāt cancel people over their opinions; weāre more than happy to see people lose their jobsāespecially their taxpayer-funded jobsāfor actively cheering on murder, though. If you canāt see the difference, thatās your own shortcoming.)
All bullshit. Not even smart bullshit, but stale, mid-grade, low-IQ bullshit. Ordinary Americans see right through it, and they donāt like how it smells.
You probably donāt like hearing this. But you need to hear it.
Because Iām right, and, as you reflect on this, you know Iām right. The ranks of my political movement gained millions of righteously angry new members this week. We have a mandate to ensure these crimes never happen again, and thatās exactly what we are now going to do.
If you want to keep a seat at the table as we do so, youād better clean house and start policing your own.ā
Yup, I saw that post too.
āThese people are now sprintingānot jogging, not walking, but racingāto the right. Because they blame you guys for everything that just happened.ā Gotta hand it to him, in the post he even answered my lingering thoughts and whataboutisms. Heās not wrong, it was politically disastrous as well this response and years of build up
Lookā¦if many on the left decry you as a fake progressive nazi sympathizer for support bitcoin (yup, thatās what they told me personally)
Imagine what the left thinks of other things like Charlieās free speechā¦
And of course Iām going to criticize my own āhouseā or ātribeā (or former tribe) before anything else, because Iām so deeply disappointed in them and how far itās come
Good decent normal people on the left need to stand up and put an end to it. Itās really just that simple.
ALOT OF DEMOCRATS ARE GOING TO NE VOTING REPUBLICAN IN THE MIDTERMS AND PRIMARYS
In the public I have seen it happening. Democrats speaking up against violence. I would always speak against violence. Which elected democrats did show themselfs happy about it?
I mean what some individuals do or say, is not fair to be projected on others.
I checked AOC's Twitter - crickets... Last post, just saying that shooting political opponents is unacceptable, and wishing Charlie a speedy recovery.
Bernie - same. One tweet about denouncing political violence, but already on a merry train of whining about the billionaires, health care costs,...
If you're a leader. You need to take some accountability. This is very weak, and honestly, not even believable. From the people who wished us long winter of death, and who call us Hitler sympathizers. It's a glaring lack of having any self reflection.
I think I can not beliefe in you. Taking about "From the people..."
A group of people can not be consistent. An individual can be consistent. But everyone who calls out someone else to fix it and blame others, is no part of unity. It is already dishonest asking others to stop giving unapropriate names to your party people and in the same sentence attacking them.
Those on the search for people to blame instead of blaming the shooter is dishonest abuse of the situation.
I mean what is the republican activity to deescalate? Or is just everyone agreeing, that republicans do not have this klnd of character?
Sterling is right that people are being radicalized, but the deeper danger isnāt just politics, itās when the church confuses Caesar with Christ. I wrote this to warn fellow believers: the script weāre seeing is the Baal ā Babylon ā Beast ā False Prophet cycle. If we donāt draw the line now, we wonāt resist when the real deception comes.
Each and every one of us is fully capable of standing for truth as bravely as Charlie did. We have been endowed with that ability by our Creator, just like Charlie was. What evil can stand against us, especially for those of us who believe this life is just a blink in the scope of eternity?
We are all Charlie Kirk
There is no left, there is no right, there are only authoritarians vs those who support freedom.
By saying things like this, you only empower the divisive system we both want to destroy.
If any group has anyone's blood on their hands it's the authoritarians who support centralized FIAT monetary systems that destroy the fabric of human society and culture.
We're just mammals, mammals that have basic needs that the current iteration of society is absolutely atrocious at fulfilling. Every day more people grow further away from self actualization as they fall towards the bottom of the basic hierarchy of human needs.
Using divisive language is counterproductive and pushes people away from the systems we support that they need.
Iām a Bitcoiner too dude, you donāt need to elucidate these things to me
Then stop using language that divides, use language that brings people together.
Claiming one group has blood on their hands only turns people who identify with that group away from hearing anything else you may have to say. Which is the exact opposite of what the world needs. We need more open dialogue, not more division.
By attacking specific groups or ideologies you are triggering millennia old survival mechanisms within human brains that makes them see you and your beliefs as a threat to their survival, as disagreement with the group a human currently resides historically leads to higher likelihood of exile or death as the group rejects them for their new beliefs, this drives them to further align with their current social groups views and shuts off the pathway between your mind and theirs.
You may have other posts in the future that may make someone drop their adherence to dogmas within their group and drive them towards more independent sovereign thinking, but they're only going to hear it if use language that appeals to them and their humanity instead of pushes them away.
But what if that ideology is indeed evil?
What if he was talking about Hitlerjugend in 1936?
Maybe. They certainly seem to be happy about it. But there's more than a few entities out there which would love to stoke division in the US. Being a public figure isn't only dangerous because of your opponents. Completely uninvolved people might just use a public person to frame one side.
Itās disgusting to see people celebrating Charlieās murder. Losing someone in such a traumatic way is something no one should have to go through. These individuals who are pleased about that kind of impact in many lives are clearly mentally unwell.
If you think is left against right or the other way around, i'm not sure you really understand Bitcoin.
Thrue ā¼ļø
they called us Nazis and threats for 10 years
The danger with believing in collective guilt is that you necessarily must then believe in collective punishment
It's true.
Lets not forget The Jewish Bots like urself, traitor.
Dude - do you really believe the msm narrative it was a leftist who killed Charlie? Or are you just afraid to say it?
Clear to anyone watching that it is a psyop to stir left vs rights outrage to divert the attention from the real perpetrators.
Heās a sheep boomer retard that watches the news all day and believes it.
This "left" and "right" thing is such a US thing.
And over the decades I've only seen it pushed against other borders.
It's clever division that brews cyclical conflict.
And never ends because people always have some to blame but themselves.
Stop compartamentalising people you "generally" disagree with, and you'll find the true threat.
We are not each otherās enemy's the real enemy is what feeds on our division. Why push such a narrative?
At our core youāre correct. Unfortunately many on the left are unreasonable which makes them a threat. I donāt wish harm on anyone, but Iām wary of these people. A lot of them are completely out of touch with humanity and are too susceptible to manipulation. Theyāre cowards and I donāt trust them for a minute. Are some of them redeemable? Sure. Until then they can get fucked
to so excessively focus on something like this is basically psychosis. they are playing your emotions like a fiddle.
recap: guy gets shot in the neck, immediately after epstein files blocked and it's illegal to boycott israel, bill introduced in congress to revoke your passports if you criticize israel.
mass outrage -> less freedom -> mass outrage -> less freedom ...
what will be the topic of the day when they extend the patriot act to "digital assets"?
Theyāre already effectively doing that if you hadnāt noticed. You can care about multiple things at once.
You are spouting communist propaganda.
Essentially telling us to turn the other cheek. To not act in defense of our people and our cause.
Yet you do not call out the leftists assassination of a most innocent man. You do not call out the violent attacks of the communist group, AntiFa.
You say nothing about the trannies shooting up schools or the goobermint wanting to disarm the innocent citizens. Your freedom dies in darkness and your silence.
Leave the coming war in the hands of patriotic soldiers.
The communists are daily meeting.
They are planning to go "kinetic.
They mean to take the country.
Trump is rapidly dismantling the communists' money machine. Trump is destroying the election fraud system. The communists are under increasing scrutiny. They are like cockroaches scurring to find a rock under which to hide.
WE WILL NOT FORGET
WE WILL NOT FORGIVE
WE WILL NOT REST
WE WILL HAVE RETRIBUTION
THE TRANTIFA DEMONRAT COMMUNISTS HAVE AWAKENED THE SLEEPING GIANT
Satan overplayed his hand. The assassination of Charlie Kirk will be the first shot of the last war.
"You are spouting communist propaganda."
seek help with your mental condition!
You know Freud was way too fond of his mother, thought LSD could cure mental illness.
You need to sit this one out.
> WE WILL NOT FORGET
> WE WILL NOT FORGIVE
> WE WILL NOT REST
> WE WILL HAVE RETRIBUTION
> THE TRANTIFA DEMONRAT COMMUNISTS HAVE AWAKENED THE SLEEPING GIANT"
this sure sounds like psychosis to me. a guy died, doing what he loved to do. not even in a particularly horrible way. lot of people die around the world experiencing more pain and terror and humiliation. but you are neurotically latching on to this one like it's the most important thing in the wold. not even considering who might want you to do that?
you fucks did this after 9/11 too, that's how the entire world took a fucked up totalitarian turn.
seek help!
Died ? You wish to diminish this evil crime ?
A good man was assassinated by a leftist communist trantifa. He was executed on live television, in front of his children and his wife and the world.
A good man was murdered.
Retribution is required. The LAW must be satisfied. Such acts by the leftists must be deterred.
45 years behind the badge, I have a lifetime of meeting out justice on behalf of the people.
You need to sit this one out.
The more you talk the more you prove my point of view. So please continue your arguments.
lmao! this is hilarious. anyone that disagrees with you is a commie, huh?
bye, retard!
Leaving so soon ?
In case you missed it. I repeat myself.
Died ? You wish to diminish this evil crime ?
A good man was assassinated by a leftist communist trantifa. He was executed on live television, in front of his children and his wife and the world.
A good man was murdered.
Retribution is required. The LAW must be satisfied. Such acts by the leftists must be deterred.
45 years behind the badge, I have a lifetime of meeting out justice on behalf of the people.
@moonsettler, Parents still supporting you, huh ?
Seems to be the going thing lately.
Grossly obese, playing video games all day.
Are you on Steam or Discord ?
About time you got out on your own.
You need to let you parents enjoy a little retirement without your sucking down their golden years.
bye, retard!
Theyāre just tools.
Cut off their funding.
https://www.cfr.org/report/foreign-influence-and-democratic-governance
Because you think something is true doesnāt mean it is true.
Thatās true and so is the fact that this is leftist terrorism.
If this were an act of leftist terrorism and the left (I assume the Democrats) had blood on their hands, what do you think should happen next with the terrorists? Disband the party and jail (or even kill) the leftists?
I forget how little some of you know about politics or how things work in a legal sense. Itās simple. Execute the shooter, prison for co conspirators, rico charges for funding sources.
Then I misunderstood you. I thought you were implying that everyone on the left is a terrorist.
That would be a retarded thing to think. Iām not sure Iām capable of having such a stupid thought. There are many people on the left cheering on terrorism though. Which makes them extremists. But in America you are allowed to be extreme. Itās free speech to cheer on terrorism, even though culturally itās a massive issue that requires a significant cultural upheaval.
I am not sure either. Putting bits and pieces togetherā¦.
To all the people in the comments saying Iām being
- overly emotional
- divisive
- jumping to conclusions
The fact that Iāve been vulnerable enough to show emotion the last few days does not take away from my objectivity.
I still sift and discard information I donāt think is true. I am happy to be corrected, and I will admit when wrong, but Iām not going to cower from speaking the truth.
What i said below is true.
If you canāt see that now it will become more evident to you in the days and weeks ahead.
You wonāt owe me anything when that happens, but I hope you can shy away from the comfort of delusion and admit it to yourself.
Because the truth is paramount.
Even if we remove the murder from this equation, the leftās response of joy and celebration online has provide enough hero worship to encourage more violenceā¦same as with that Luigi guy killing CEOs. The left celebrates death and it is a necessary part of their political agenda to steal property.
I believe it starts w the deceptively evil idea that words are violence in an effort to justify actual violence.
https://youtu.be/QXHWTrys3RY?si=EOsi4P_hJlQs8Fox
Voddie Baucham just passed away yesterday, but this is his last sermon & he happened to touch on the āwords are violenceā narrative. Checkout all of his work. š«”
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do we have leftists on nostr?
Apparently so
Those who chose to stick to such club handed methods of distinguishing their ideas and politics are generally found on the platforms that encourage that sort of division.
#nostr is different, I hope.
I WAS a leftist, I thought and believed until 6-7 years ago, but my escape from that ideology NEVER made me want to identify as a conservative either. Unfortunately that seems to be everybodyās only option when the pendulum decides to swing away from āwokenessā (which also had its good intentions, beneath the noise, same as Kirkās and the āChristian Rightāsā core intentions. )
But I still I donāt like it.
No One Represents Me Better Than Myself. Fuck all this opposition and anger.
Love wins mothafuckas šš¼š«¶š¼š§”š§”
Leftists and righties are both communists.
Do you bro. šš»
any person that identifies himself as leftist is completely against human life.
even tho I'm not a conservative, their values can definitely coexist with my libertarian perspective.
They will gaslight and fight you otherwise to the end of days. I donāt find it quite so extreme, but I do hear your statement loud and clear.
Anarchy is the only way. Libertarians know thisā¦I think.
This is all you have to see to know that Kirk and the rest of you are just pawns https://youtu.be/s2BF-ufsoe0?si=M8Kq0UBvyZRszJtb
So the āfriendā who was the only public source to claim he was a leftist, has now been retracted.
Discord also said the rumor about leftist groups/messages on Discord were not true.
The DSA shirt picture was proven to be not him.
The DSA rally speaker was (clearly) not him and proven to be someone else.
Letās grow the hell up, and start actually addressing these issues so we can have a safer country, rather than trying to do mental gymnastics bs.
Cause the reality is, 22 year old white male Christian Mormon, at a trade school, in rural Utah, who is a gun enthusiast, wears a Trump costume and is in a MAGA family, owns a Mauser, wears a wounded veterans America flag t shirt, and calls people āgayā as an insult - is not going to be a āleftistā
He grew up on a pipeline of Fox News and gun shows, was clearly mentally unwell and indoctrinated, and did something heinous.
If you actually wanted to *honor* Kirk, like many of MAGA say they do, then address the damn issues that led to this, instead of trying to scapegoat and use his death as a pawn in entirely unrelated political agendas.
What will you if it is not the left who killed this man?
It is a psyop..huge and worldwide.
Those things in nature are not left or right. That is a huge oversimplification in my opinion.
I would admit I was wrong and issue a correction and reconsider my media sources.
Iām not wrong however. This was a leftist terror attack and likely had more plotters than just the shooter. Those details are trickling out as we speak.
Letās see how it ages..but I'm a bit surprised that in such a deeply political and global situation you choose to double down on your statement and say : IT WAS THE LEFT.
I wonder what people said right after Kennedy was assassinated.
Of course in Kirk's case the system will do all it can to make it look like it was the left. At least that's how the script was written.
even if it wasnāt, what do you make of all the leftists celebrating his death? even if they didnāt pull the trigger, their ideas killed him
He had more enemies if you judge the situation upon what he was saying...it could as well be Hamas...sorry forgot that pro-Palestine movements are also labeled as "Left".
Honestly I think the Left's reaction is vastly amplified and potentially botted to oblivion to trigger rage worldwide and reach the psyop's objective.
I think it's the fiat system that ultimately killed him, not left or right.
The fiat machine needed a martyr to keep rolling..some blood to put the streets on fire.
One would think that's the first thought Bitcoiner would have and yet so many on bitcoin side are still triggered by left vs right narrative.
Doesnāt matter if it was or wasnāt. Those who are celebrating it are on the left. They wish it were them.
Stupid, irresponsible take. How many of those people could have posted those reactions in trauma, anger, fury or other emotional turmoil?
Guess what-all have targets on their backs now.
A peaceful political moderate Republican was publicly executed and your response is that the people who threw gasoline on the fire and showed their complete lack of humanity may have a target on their backs? Iām sorry, but that is an absolutely wild take.
Is it true? Or you being played just like they are?
Pretty sure they are reporting over there that the shooter was a republican. That's what I've seen.
Danger.
Repeating something enough times makes it true?
There is no Left/Right, it is the Jews. Name them. They killed him or threw him into their witness protection program, as that slo mo of the shooting doesn't fit bullet standards by any stretch of the imagination. No exit wound, nothing on the back screen, blood acted like squib blood. There is much to unpack here.
Have we seen actual proof that Charlie is indeed dead? Many weird things happen in days like these. Watchhiss wife's interview. It's not real.
They want to deflect. Concentrate attention and trigger emotions.
This event has "fake" written all over it, just like the fake "Trump assassination attempt. But emotions will block from investigating the magic trick.
No death would mean it's a hoax with an agenda.
Death could mean they'll fjndca publically blameble patsy/false flag.
Sorry, but this is an absolutely delusional take. Yes, things can be faked easier than ever but it's pretty obvious that video was not. And besides, if it were really fake, it wouldn't make any sense strategically: who faked it? Was it the elite, the ones pushing violence through left-wing politics? That'd be literal political suicide. Was it the conservatives, the people fighting for America's future? What good does it gain them to kill off the man who was one of the most responsible for Trump's win?
Not everything is a conspiracy. Just because things aren't always as they seem, that doesn't mean that there are never times where they ARE.
It is fake
The amount of "both sides" or deflection over this issue is absolutely absurd. It's just as despicable as the people celebrating. There are people who are CLEARLY responsible (even if potentially indirectly) for this and it's time to stop pretending otherwise.
Agree
Zero nuance in this assertion. What is the left? The whole of the left? My wife is left leaning and she abhors his murder. Splitting society into us/them is the genisis if physical violence.
āNiggas get shot everyday Bā you be iightā
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