I consume 400g+ of sugar a day, am completely insulin and leptin sensitive, and my metabolic panel is pristine.
Why? Because I've limited fat intake to only a bit of saturated fats (coconut oil, butter, milk fat, egg yolk, tallow) and I relentessly disrespect PUFA, including seed oils and 99% of fish oil.
Don't blame sugar for what hyper processed industrial fats have done.
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What do you do with the fat in your ground beef?
And do you live in an area where you can get Vit D from the sun year round?
Yes.
That's an important detail; high carbohydrate lifestyle requires a "perpetual summer", whether real or simulated.
Also requires wonderful thiamine status and thyroid function.
Don't just start pounding 400g+ of sugar if you have not done laid a foundation for metabolic supremacy.
I eat the tallow in my ground beef. I typically source 80:20. Favorite is from White Oak Pastures.
When I have beef for lunch, I make sure to have (alot) less carbs.
This is because the Randle Cycle will convert sugar to saturated fat on the body in the presence of simultaneous dietary fat.
Are factory raised eggs (/chickens) different than normal eggs? In terms of nutrition?
Yes.
Also, amongst pasture raised eggs, there is some new vendors attempting to reduce PUFA content of their eggs by experimenting with new blends of supplemental feed.
For example: https://angel-acresfarm.com/products/low-pufa-corn-soy-free-eggs
Is that a US thing? Because here in my country chickens are still chickens and eggs still eggs.
No pufa is just a new buzzword. If you just eat eggs not fed soy and corn, you get the benefit. This is the company I used to use, their protein is peanut based.
https://southernnaturalfeeds.com/
In reality, there has to be a way to connect farms with local waste streams of other food products ( peanuts, peas, bugs, the ugly veggies like that guy in New York does etc) to get this all over. Should be a tax credit or something for places that separate out compostable stuff and get it to farmers because we need healthier people.
Linoelic acid are still elevated in chicks fed high peanut feed, which is common in "no corn no soy" eggs.
I see.
Do you have a source on this?
Linoleic acid is the main omega 6 fatty acid in peanuts. It's better than seed oils, but not by much.
That doesn't imply that that passes through at the same ratio in chicken eggs
The data is convincing.
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Unlike ruminants, which have incredible fermentation based digestion, monogastric livestock have acid-based digestion which is ill suited for high linoleic acid diets.
Unfortunately, the linoleic acid passes through to us in their fat, both on the animal and in chicken eggs.
Angel Acres did some good testing to illustrate exactly how omega 6 linoleic acid passes through to egg fat.
Just shows how broken the food system is even upstream of what is on your plate.
Yes.
Beef and other ruminants, at least, seem to be able to filter out most of the inflammatory feed contents by the time you eat their meat and fat.
That being said, pasture raised, grass fed ruminants are actually *anti* inflammatory.
The main lesson is that you need to avoid consuming seed oils AND second hand seed oils.
Where'd you get those images? I can't find them on their site.
I do admit. Animal meat scraps is good for chicken feed protein content. I bet bug based feed is more optimal. Would be interesting to get an analysis VS edible acres eggs.
The varieties of chickens we have today, which are selectively bred to trade off flavor/nutrition for mass/weight, require supplemental feed.
They can't survive off grazing alone. The book 'The Dorito Effect', which I highly recommend, has a very good history on this.
It's a good, as Angel Acres is, to attempt to reduce second hand linoleic acid in eggs by expirementing with different blends of supplemental feed.
Maybe older varieties of chickens can be reengineered this way, over time.
Firebrand Meats does the same thing with pork. We love their bacon and ground in my household.
Wonder if I should test some of the pork from my pigs, we weren't feeding the pigs soy, instead it was distiller grains for the protein. Everyone has said the fat is the sweetest they've tasted.
you should
and i will just say that i literally can't eat anything fed with soy, i get so sick it's unbearable
i love eggs, haven't been able to find any to eat that don't give me a severe allergic reaction anywhere near me
and yeah, i have asked neighbours, and i've had offers but most of the time "they are'nt laying" is the situation so far, so, been eggless, idk how to express how unpleasant and distressing this is
i lived on eggs more than half my life, they are my life, my life has sucked since i stopped being able to eat them, and it's all about soy fucking feed, 100% that's the cause
soy, corn, peanut, and grains
shrinkflation is a b*
You'll appreciate this writeup.
https://fireinabottle.net/polyunsaturated-fat-pufa-in-pork-and-chicken/
You should have heard these retarded pig farmers I talked to at the bar new years eve. They litterally were saying "there is a reason no one raised hogs anymore" yeah it's cuz you raise yours like an idiot and deserve the $1/pound you get. I sold my first crop for $3/lb HANGING WEIGHT which was basically just to break even to see how it all went and I sold out in a week.
There's just a lot of inbred townies in agriculture when traditionally farmers are supposed to be the people doing science and engineering on a daily basis.
Is this dude basically advocating for feeding wheat barley or rye
That looks really cool!
There'd be quite the demand for low pufa pork & chicken.
Would love to know what's in their "Low P" feed.
Been thinking for a while now that I might be able to grow enough starches to feed pigs most of their energy. Taro, cassava, sugar cane & banana grow really easily here but I don't want to have to live on them day to day.
Having a low P feed would make things more convenient.
Did some research:
I don't think chickens are worth the effort. I have seen someone do it with massive compost piles and a tractor though.
Pigs are incredible converters of excess plant calories into meat.
My aim is resilience from supply shocks as well as low pufa meat. This summer I should be able to take my Taro & Casava production up a notch. I'll soon see of it's enough to raise a few pigs, should be interesting.
If you check out edible acres chickens on YouTube, his setup is basically to take vegetable scraps, let the chickens pick through them, that composts in place, as he turns it, they eat the worms and bugs in the compost, then he gives them small amounts of organic grains from nearby farms.
I think that seems to be as close to a wild chicken diet. But I do think using chickens as garbage disposals for our food waste is the best use of that resource, meat scraps especially.
Been getting eggs from them for years.
depends on the person, how overweight is he? if thin then sugar and no seed oils makes sense. if overweight cutting sugar / keto makes sense. and most people are overweight. there is also antibiotics, which is making candida/sugar effect worse. if you are doing organic and no drugs then candida has less chance of being a problem.
Wait... is most people overweight? Like is this a global stat or regional stat? Because where I live in Europe while overweight exists it's definitely not the majority probably not even 1/4.
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Where does your consumption of fat from red meat fall into this?
Tallow from leanish ground.
I've done this & I hated life without saturated fat.
Why is it that swamping feels so decadent?
Remind me again how your day goes.
Is it sugar + milk in the morning, aheavy meal at midday with some saturated fat & then a light dinner?
I've just done 3 weeks of carnivore which has reset some of my cravings & shed some fat.
I'm now incorporating some carbs away from meat/fatty meals. I want to move towards a meat heavy peaty diet that strategically uses carbohydrates. I don't want to be in a constant state of ketosis
Muscle runs on saturated fat. Big guys need more. Ratios change a bit to accommodate lean mass.
I’ve never been more jacked and lean than the semester in college where I tracked my macros and ate the least amount of fat I’ve ever eaten and ate the most amount of carbs I’ve ever eaten.
I should probably do that again.
What do you do for your protein if you’re limiting fats? Chicken or really lean beef?
Not too neurotic about it.
- limit eggs to 1-2 a day
- eat lean ground beef (95%)
- cook with coconut oil
- skimmed milk in coffee
- cottage cheese
- collagen
You can feel very easily when you are down near those minimum sat fat levels and it's easy just to go right above that do you don't feel like hell.
That leaves plenty of room for good natural sugars throughout the day.
Lean and mean.
