Ouch

I’m sorry Hodl that is rough.

Not all losses are losses. I think many of us found out that the hard way during the pandemic.

Doesn’t make it any easier, but I feel you.

I stopped trying to Orange pill really in 2023 not because of a story like this but just burnt out from trying and they will come to me when they have questions and they are ready.

A sad story. Bitcoin is backended by radical personal responsibility. That is clearly not for everyone. Look at the state of our world. Definitely good to cut it off with that ending 😬

Damn, sorry to hear that bro 🙏🏻

You’ve orange pilled many many people AH. I regularly go back to your clip - Bitcoin is rational optimism, shitcoins are nihilism. It hits me like a semi truck every time. ‘You got to love yourself man.’

I even shared the outline of that video with a friend today (check my profile for his response). I gave him a giant fucking orange pill and he swallowed that thing dry. 🫡

Can’t afford the zoo? lol WTF ok…

Wow. I'm really sorry you had to go through that.

That sucks, sorry.

I appreciate the stories you share. These cautionary tales help me navigate my own journey.

Not the best experience but rather than just not try, maybe change personal perspective a little. Shift to lower commitment. That experience is awful and you see the worst of degen attitude. Shift exposure.

I try literally every day to orange pill but there’s a line in the sand. It’s a hard line. I ain’t doing this shit for you. I am more than happy to explain things and show the path and suggest reading etc. I ain’t holding your hand though. Ever.

I had my journey of learning and I needed it. I will not deprive another person of that and I will never put myself into a situation where any come back should be warranted. Path shown, choose your own. Job done

Bitcoin is a friendship killer but wow that’s especially bad hitting on Mrs hold

Thanks for sharing, HOLD. It’s unfortunate, bitcoiner’s wealth will be resented by the vast majority of the population in the future. Likely even worse than the wealth class of today. Damned if you do (help), damned if you don’t (help).

ya hate to see it

He missed the “stay humble” part.

He missed the never hit on a man's wife part.

I haven't had this experience since I'm only class of 2021, but given my trajectory, I'm confident I will. Hopefully I can use your story to avoid bullshit like this. Tragic.

I actually offered a friend a free hardware wallet by mail, help setting it up on a call, AND free #Bitcoin sent to his address after setup.

All he had to do was set it up and stamp his seed on steel, which I also offered to advise on.

Crickets. That was my queue to fuck off. I wonder if it would have somehow just turned into your story.

Few will make it and the many who don't will be envious (including the ones we tried to drag to the top with us).

Damn, that guy is a fucking loser.

Sorry man. How I long to make people understand knowing they prob never will. But some do, don't let the bad stories prevent you from seeing the good ones. We can't really orange pill people anyway, just give out free samples, the rest is up to them.

i feel this man. orange pilling as a concept is pretty cringe/ineffective imo.

some close friends I worked hard to help with this stuff years ago also blew it similarly many times over or laughed me off, and always crawl out of the woodwork when the price pumps or weirdly approach my family.

strategy now is to basically never talk about it irl unless someone close asks for help in good faith and with genuine curiosity. bar to get in irl inner circle only grows with the risks… had 6 figures stolen from me by who I thought was my best friend this past cycle.

finding the tradeoffs for relative success a bit weird. but as an introverted person I think btc helped me focus on bettering myself on this solo expedition. in the end people need to edify themselves

We orange pilled like 7 Haitians today. Thank God they don't have my wife's number.

Most of this story is 'Yeah, okay, not a real friend. Create some distance.' The 2024 section highlights the evil that comes from envy.

That seems like an attempt to destroy a man and his family out of spite.

People who you think are friends will gut you when envious. Envy is an evil virus and we should never allow it even a moment in our minds.

Stay vigilant and stack sats.

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HODLing is so hard

I helped someone make a 250% return with bitcoin & they couldn’t even bring themselves to thank me initially

We can't wake the sleeping sheep. We can only search for our fellow lions.

People will become the one (sheep or lion) that they truly want to be. Something I need to learn is that there's nothing I can do to train a sheep to become a lion. Either they'll want it badly enough to be a lion without my help, or they'll always be comfortable with simply being a sheep.

That has been and will likely continue to be a very difficult lesson for me to learn. 😔

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Orange pilling is a losing endeavor. The closest I get is giving satcards as gifts. If that intrigues you to do it on your own great, if not no burden.

Not sure if he really was your friend.

Considering the concept of orange-pilling often reminds me of a lesson from drug addiction. Like, I’m not going to orange pill anyone just like I’m not going to get a friend or loved one to stop doing drugs or drinking. If they’re a stone cold addict or drunk, the desire to quit has to come from them. (I know because I was one of them) Otherwise, you’re just wasting your time and energy. When they’re ready, they’ll approach you.

San Diego Zoo is great, poor guy

Wow. Thank you for sharing.

Some people can’t stay out of their own way.

He needs to grow the fuck up for his own good (now he’s on his own)

Fuck that… Dude is just an asshole. Good riddance.

Not too much success in purple pilling friends either?

Strange how this is so hard with people we know and you get new friends from across the globe constantly.

Some people are better at suffering moods because they feel they are alive when they are in stress. When they decide to quit addiction to stress, they will immediately understand bitcoin and nostr. It is all inside them.

That's a leach not a friend, if shit goes bad that guys not coming to help you ever!

debt is usery and evil

Damn, sorry you experienced this :(

You buy and wait. To this day I struggle to understand how so few people can actually do this and fewer still even attempt it at all. Bitcoiners are made different, it is undeniable.

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The zoo is for rich people? Lol

dang, very sorry to hear that. man got lost in the sauce

Everything that you know about bitcoin was accumulated through pow. You tried to help your friend skip that but in the end he needed to get burned in order to learn.

The unfortunate thing is that he acted like a total douche after. But it’s a good thing he showed you his true colors. You’re better off.

He can HFSP.

Unfortunately, there's gonna be a lot of that happening. People will begin to envy us, more and more, even though they never listened to us.

Stay safe out there, guys 💪🏻

I just don't talk to people about it at all, with one exception being a couple that I know. I've talked to them at various times over the last year (gave them a book, earmarked time for them in case they had questions, etc) and every time it's been a waste of time. I stopped and hadn't said anything in months. A couple weeks ago one of them asked me if I was into Ethereum. I wanted to hurl my phone through a wall. The first time they ever broached the subject of crypto they mentioned Ethereum.

I just said no and changed the subject. The next day I sent them a text giving context for why not and they wanted to know which bitcoin they should convert their Ethereum to in their Coinbase account.

I'm tempted to just tell them that I'm getting out but that's me just thinking about my own "opsec" for the future. Maybe I should also tell them flat out if they're not willing or able to put the time and effort into understanding what it is, how to use/store it, and why we need it then maybe they shouldn't be messing with it in the first place.

Something like this happened to me several times.

I always end up saying: everybody has what he deserves and it is unavoidable that when somebody who is not ready gets Bitcoin, he will end up losing it in an spectacular way.

Real friends share their wife.

People don't like believing truths you have found first. Makes them feel you might be better than them.

I orange pilled my mom in 2020, and explicitly told her to DCA and stay calm. Surprise... she didn't 😱

She put half her savings in immediately, doubled it in about 10 weeks, sold at $55k and bought herself a nice camper van, which has been used *a lot* since. Today, she still hodls 1 Bitcoin, "just in case I need it".

I'm still not sure if it was pure life experience or also included a bit of luck, but buying yourself quality time with Bitcoin certainly makes a lot of sense 😁

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This may be more common than you think.

A friend who is not willing to put in the work, will not be helped by you putting in the work for him.

It will just result in exposing a lame person who assumes he's entitled to the good things in life.

This friend was never a friend with mutual moral values, so it's doubtful he was even truely your friend.

Its a good relationship test, but a hard pill to swallow when you meet people like this.

Crazy story, thanks for sharing it with us.

Oof. Some people learn from failure and others double down. Sad!

Oof that sucks..

most of the evil actions in the world has a premise of jealiousy, never underestimate jealiousies power to do evil

Sad story

“I was always envious of zoo goers before I got into Bitcoin, now I go to zoo’s with pride.”

And yet there is still the desire to awaken those around you. It’s human nature to help those who you care about. Like Noah before the flood. It’s up to them after you give them a heads up.✌️

This is the story of not your keys not your coins, and don't shitcoin rolled into one. Your former friend had deeper issues than just losing the btc.

just wondering how hard max keiser orange pilled most his friends since btc 1 usd...

#bitcoin #orangepill

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Sorry to hear that Hodl. Had to be really hard.

thanks for sharing.

You can only orange pill yourself. Money boosts the personality traits you already have: Saving in Bitcoin may bring "outer freedom" when you follow someone else's "investment advice", but inner freedom and peace is something each and everyone has to achieve in their own time and proof-of-work. When there's disconnect between the two freedoms for too long chances are you'll gamble or spend it all.

Everyone needs to provide their own proof of work

Guy has loser syndrome. Sad to see some people in life just take L after L no matter how much you try to help them. 10/10 for bro help attempt but ultimately best to sever the relationship due to chronic loser syndrome.

Wow, sorry to hear HODL. That’s really unfortunate. Appreciate you sharing the story. 🤙

envy sucks. thanks for sharing dude.

Good riddance.

You don’t have a friend there my man. You have an acquaintance that can & should be easily dropped.

I can count real friends on one hand with a finger cut off.

Sorry brother. Envy runs the world and is why I nym.

Tangential story - i have an old friend that got into bitcoin at the same time as me in 2013. Has a good fiat job that affords him a very comfortable life. Bought maybe a few coins early on. Just bought a new house and decided he was going to pay it off in full with his.... bitcoin. Same guy that still holds litecoin because of diversification.

When i heard it my mind nearly melted. You turned down the fiat financed at ~7% to take 100% of the upside off from bitcoin. Very likely those coins he burned to avoid the 7% rate right now will be worth 100x at the loan maturity.

Of course this guy is an MBA but he has lost the ability to think.

Thank you for sharing 🙏🫂

“Why do we fall sir? So that we can learn to pick ourselves up. “ -Alfred quote to support

Or send them my way to orange peel and they can envy me 😬🤣

Sorry to hear that. Well you tried so fuck it 🤙

Thanks for sharing such a personal story. Shame that he couldn’t take responsibility for his actions and let his envy ruin a relationship with someone who has tried to help him. Hitting on someone’s wife though…not in high school anymore, that’s crazy.

Sad story in all vectors.

Envy is toxic. He made terrible decisions, probably in an attempt to catch up and surpass you.

Managing envy is a big part of being successful. For me, reading Rene Girard has helped a lot.

I suspect there are lots of similar stories out there HODL. I also stopped encouraging people to get into it. If they come to me I will point them towards resources and provide a few words of caution...that's it.

I've been nagging buddies since 2015

some bought the peak in 2020, sold at bottom

somehow that's my fault

Man, that’s a tough timeline to read through.

I don’t think you could’ve done anything more to help this guy out or try to set him up for success.

The way it all ended kind of sheds light on the quality of individual he is though.

Internal chaos usually is reflected by external chaos. If your internal life is out of control, your outward life typically depicts that as well.

Hopefully he’ll start to see things more clearly and put some work into growing and changing towards a higher version of himself soon.

Sad. But take comfort in knowing, because the world hears so many of your public podcasts, you are literally orange pilling people every day.

To be honest someone prepared to hit on your wife/girlfriend was always as arse

Thanks, not uncommon unfortunately, I can relate. In this regard orange-pilling is similar to introducing someone to the spiritual journey.

In my experience, once ready, your message will spark curiosity without big resistances and they'll continue by themselves and only get back to you for follow-up once in a while with a gleam in their eyes. My resolution is to not push anymore. As soon as there is friction, I will back off and trust life that things will unfold the way they are supposed to. Maybe that will keep you away from such uncomfortable hostilities early enough. The amount of fear, insecurity, greed, jealousy engrained in society is not to be underestimated. Orange-pilling, as any consciousness expansion, is a delicate and revealing affair.

Sounds like your former friend is a shitbag. I don’t think BTC had anything to do with it

I am sorry to hear that story of yours.

I know you know that already, but I will tell you anyways:

It’s not your fault.

Maybe I should be grateful I was never able to orange pill any of my friends 😅

This was not a friend.

This is why I only attempt to paint my transactions orange.

For the past year my cheese guy stacks my purchases in 100% BTC.

He even moved all his PayPal monies to strike & now wants to self custody.

Wow, this was all I needed to read. So sorry to hear. I will now stay silent and stack sats.

Consider yourself lucky he did not rob you, also think about your security more since the word is out and the more price goes up the sweeter target you are.

Bitcoin is an IQ test. I also stopped orange pilling.

Bitcoin is alive and active. Sharper than any double-edged sword, it penetrates even to the division of soul and spirit, joints and marrow; it judges the thoughts and attitudes of the heart.

Hebrews 4:12, paraphrased.

You are a saint, dude. And, yeah, this is very unfortunate. Not only for him but for you as well.

I am so sorry to hear this but I'm VERY glad that you shared the story. Maybe it'll help someone that needs to hear it before they too fall down the wrong rabbit hole.

Not to be that guy that whips out the Bible, but this parallels the Cain/Abel or Jacob/Essau dynamic... failure to make the proper sacrifices in life is the road to bitterness and envy.

I wonder if you had not backstopped the investment, he would not have invested so readily; he may have waited, learned more, and eventually patiently HODLed and might even still be here today.

I'm must be the worst Bitcoiner ever, never orange pilled anyone and not interested. Money is very delicated and I live in a 3rd world country and not interested on having my Bitcoin stolen.

The true character of a man is always shown clearest during times of adversity.

The people I’ve attempted to orange pill have been nothing but trouble. These days I DCA, HODL and STFU about Bitcoin. Unless I’m posting on Nostr that is… 😀

IMO don’t ever regret prior deeds done with a full heart and a clear helpful intent 🤝

Those choices and behaviour are on him, not on you, and that behaviour from him is just avoidance of him taking responsibility for his actions - not excusing it in any way

Don’t let this (shitty) episode sully the help and counsel you’ve given to many many people (more than 6.15 amiright!!) that now have them with a solid stack and life changing trajectory

🧡

10 years, and never empowered himself to understand. What a shame.

I just make sure people know I will always be there to guide and help, and make sure they stay aware of Bitcoin from time to time.

Selfishly, I now only encourage my elderly father to stack Bitcoin.

Hitting on the wife via text. Easy smash delete button out of your life. Some people only know how to sink and want other to sink with them. You did your best. I had couple of those people from childhood I had to cut loose as well. Hopefully he gets his shit together one day..........

Even w ur episode w bitcoin, that friend is still among those bad people.

Bad people do bad things, good people do good things.

Bad people produce bad things, good people produce good things. All u can do is to move forward and learn.

youtube.com/watch?v=M1Yf2BA4sO0&t=21 <=== this one is a good "jack" dont mix up w the other jack.

That's scary. Imagine when Bitcoin is at $500k. This guy will definitely come looking for you. We all need to start thinking more adversarily and that means no more orange pilling, or at least being very selective about it.

Weirdge reason to not want to promote sound money. This story sounds like it's less about Bitcoin and more to do with mental health.

I really wish some people frossing path with me oranged pilled me in 2014-15/when they were stacking sats. instead here I am fiat poor trying to learn how to get off exchanges and p2p btc at 65k before the halving, feeling fomo but hopeful for my grandkids one day. lol 😅 Something similar haooener to methoughz I didn't hit on anyone's wife. a client gifted me 2.5 ETH as a thank you for coaching him through getting his shit together and acting on his goals like buying a miner. he said he made a good 7 fig chunk directly because of me and our sessions. that turned into a good chunk back in 2020 but unfortunetly I made a stupid move following the guidance of a guy I had a crush on. not the first time I've ignored my intuition when I've been deluded my future husband has arrived into my field. I invested in a stupid nft metaverse stupid ugh just talking about it makes me mad, and got to get rugged pulled. so here. wish I'd been orange pilled sooner. and my ETH had been turned into btc instead of rugged pulled.

GM ☕

Avoid salty losers in your life at all costs.

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Some boys never become a man, even if they pass 30.

I was reading “Wanting” by Luke Burgis last night, recommended by nostr:npub18678fyrar7fg7gy77ggwsuk2cqe74ull38ng2v5x63werc63a70qw02kgq . The passage in the clip below reminded me of your “friend”. Like he had some form of mimesis/ mimetic desire towards you, and his dick move with your missus was all wrapped up in this.

Holy shiit 🤦‍♂️

I’m ngl I’m seeing some of what you’re saying with the insecurity and tension, even some animosity from a close fren that I half way orange pilled n has been getting burned with shitcoins n blames it on me for not getting into shitcoins as well to help him, I had a conversation with myself the other day n told myself I’d never try to orange pill any of my friends anymore, if they see my actions n want to follow okay cool, but never going out of my way. I’d be better off orange pilling complete strangers that will more likely than not follow the sound advice.

Better buy that mofo some Tictacs so you hear him coming.

the story you posted on trying to help friend made me understand way better where you're coming from in the recent years. sorry it went like that and thanks for sharing it

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