Children are a gift.

It shows how broken our society is when so many see them only as a burden on themselves and "the planet".

this is my experience as a father

Agreed again. There is nothing more meaningful than having children.

I remember really enjoying this book on the topic: https://www.amazon.com/Selfish-Reasons-Have-More-Kids/dp/0465028616

It’s full of statistics and one stood out - being a parent has a 96% approval rating vs 78% of never parents report regretting not having kids at some point in their lives

I couldn’t agree more. Sad to see neighbors and business associates die lonely with the deep sense of regret they feel in this area. All for the notion “I’m young, I want to have fun and I want to do me.” They end up getting everything but the young and fun part.

> You will never regret having kids.

my mum:

Having kids in my early 20s quite literally saved my life. Today I’ll be having a cookout with one of my grandchildren he’s a union welder now, he’s my hero his dad bagged the job so I got the job. None of this was my plan it certainly wouldn’t have appeared I was the right person for this I just got lucky. I can’t throw shade at anyone who didn’t get this its the most difficult painstaking and rewarding thing that has ever happened to me a miracle

Anyone saying having kids is selfish has been captured. 🫡 kids and a dog though.

well i'm reading this and agreeing with you even though it's not the case for me. I agree about the meaningless pursuit of pleasure. I agree about the surrounded by death part.

However I'm not sure I see how it's honoring or dishonoring ancestors. I love the idea of ancestors watching from another dimension, but is this what you are saying? or am i keeping my own score in my head of my ancestral honor? how does this work.

I don’t want kids & never plan on having them and disagree with many points you made. But to each is own 🤷‍♂️🤝

Sad, they brainwashed a whole generation of women to hold off on kids until they are older. I see a lot of women I graduated high school with who are now in their 30s having trouble having kids now that they want one. My girlfriend is one of those people. I look forward to being a dad one day. God willing 🙏

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Children are a gift, indeed.

But ffs they also suck the life out of me. The society, where we have to raise them is crazy. World is broken, and holding that torch of hope in a pitch black... Respect to all doing that, with and without kids.

Even if you think there is no chance, don't give up, miracles can happen.

I have a surprise miracle boy that keeps me fighting, so he can thrive.

He's at least 13.8 Billion years in the making.

glad i'm a dad/my most important and fulfilling role!

Fallen out with friends and family on this subject (I’m pro kids/family/future). I guess it’s natural selection in the end?

I’ve contemplated selling some coin one of these day for a surrogate.

Would be awesome to have a child, girls are just usually a nightmare. Most in the state are unattractive in far more ways than one.

This is what I call using your platform for good.

Kids are the secret to life and the answers you are searching for.

The revelation that you exist to serve other beings and protect them at all cost instead of yourself is liberating in a powerful way.

Meet ‘Jade’

✨the love of my life🥹

you aint gonna see threads like this anywhere else, love nostr and all nostriches 😊

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What if you are quite convinced that you do not have a capacity to be a good parent? (Based on experience of not being a good child, a good friend or a good partner(sorry nostr:npub1h9t60urqyc72pxfzfcg4a5wfjupcpp3nfxt5pqncss8m6xmut5tqyee7xg))

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To me, the thought of having kids is about like the thought of marrying a guy; I just don't have either urge, I don't understand either urge, and I find the general idea of either to be profoundly unappealing and off-putting. And don't get me wrong, I'm glad that it's available for people who do want it, but for me, I have to assume that either would have costs me huge life opportunities that have meant the world to me, such as marrying my wife who has also never wanted kids.

While there are obviously exceptions, and different people have different priorities and perspectives, from the youngest of ages, almost all the adults I've known, almost all the parents I've known, seemingly live lives that consist of little more than bouncing between fulfilling biologically motivated urges, and meeting social requirements and expectations. And obviously there's nothing wrong with that, but I never saw the appeal, I've wanted more.

Many bitcoiners tell stories of when it clicked that the world at large is fucked and they could no longer simply "be normal and meet expectations". To me it never made sense or had any appeal, and I've always felt the same way about having kids.

All that said, while my life is "weird", and "quirky" by the stands of most, I love it. It's full of passion, joy, and meaning, and I wouldn't generally dare ask for anything more.

Having kids is a blessing. Very low time preference

This is why I had 5, many difficulty struggles and exhaustion, but like all difficult things, well worth the fight.

Parenting the only job that by the time you get good at it, it's over.

I wonder how many people actually plan for parenthood?

What are the ways you've found to protect against instrumentalizing children for one's own good?

I find much that is praiseworthy in the pro-natal view but I also see the "kids will benefit you" argument as potentially treating children as a means to ones own ends.

That is, the positive effects you rightfully describe only accrue when one forgets about them.

and their pasta also sends us important messages!

Truth

Uhg, soooo preachy. HODL should have added: god approves of this message.

Same kind of holier than thou moralist that harkens to other people of the same ilk. The Prohibition era comes to mind, for example.

I knew a religious zealot keen on indoctrinating everyone he knew. Used the same rhetoric: you’ll regret it if you don’t, you’ll help grow your religious family, you’ll be surrounded and taken care of by all things church, blah, blah, blah.

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Having kids is a blessing!!!

I think I agree.

I dont have kids... almost had one but my gf had an abortion without telling me. I told her several time that I want IT and that we will make it work. It would have been No Problem...

But she was too scared to have it because of stupid reasons. I am kind of heartbroken. I love her but I am not sure If I can forgive her.

And now she keeps telling me, that she regrets it...

Society is fucked... they keep telling women Its only their decision If they keep a child or not... but some decision are just too big for a human brain, I think. We are not living in easy times, people.

Omg this! The impact literally hit me the instant I laid eyes on her. There was no delay, there was no gradual build up to some climactic moment, the instant I laid eyes on my little girl as she popped her little head out, I felt my life change.

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I'm expecting a child soon, didn't really plan for it and am as clueless as the word clueless is clueless.

I just hope I'll figure it out

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The most epic way to fail in life is to not have kids when you have the ability to do so.

That's true from the self-centred perspective.

In my experience, it's probably the usual 80:20.

80% are "dupes or knaves" - incorrigible, ignorant NPCs that perpetuate all the most unjust and harmful aspects of life - "war", taxes, crime, abuse, gangsterment, et cetera, AND pass the mindset to their progeny!

Their thoughtless reproduction - practically absent natural selection nowadays - insures the status quo.

If it were even the other way around - 20:80 - the status quo could not remain for a year, much less millennia of human history.

This belongs in this thread.

On children by Kahlil Gibran

Your children are not your children.

They are the sons and daughters of Life’s longing for itself.

They come through you but not from you,

And though they are with you yet they belong not to you.

You may give them your love but not your thoughts,

For they have their own thoughts.

You may house their bodies but not their souls,

For their souls dwell in the house of tomorrow,

which you cannot visit, not even in your dreams.

You may strive to be like them,

but seek not to make them like you.

For life goes not backward nor tarries with yesterday.

You are the bows from which your children

as living arrows are sent forth.

The archer sees the mark upon the path of the infinite,

and He bends you with His might

that His arrows may go swift and far.

Let your bending in the archer’s hand be for gladness;

For even as He loves the arrow that flies,

so He loves also the bow that is stable.

dont forget its less taxpayers to support their I was a barista my whole life after get my degree in gender studies.

💯 having kids as early as possible is even better.

“they increase the joy” is half way true

I try to think that there is a small child in me, and it is my job to nurture it, despite the ageing body it is contained in. And so I do have a child at all times: me.

And if someone does not have the ability to make children? Are you trying to make them depressed? Because:

Life is not worth living.

There is no meaning to life.

No inspiration for planning and care about the future.

Decreased joy.

Life is neither novel nor exciting.

No one is innovative, surprising and imaginative.

No one shapes us into better versions of ourselves.

You won't be increasingly surrounded by life as you grow old.

You will be surrounded by death as everyone you know slowly dies.

You will certainly regret not having kids.

You are not honoring the sacrifice and suffering your ancestors had to endure by passing the torch forward.

You are dishonoring them by wasting your life on the meaningless pursuit of your own pleasure.

First one is on its way ☺️

As Tucker said . . . . Mormon levels of kids. 💪

Bro I just became a father this week. It’s amazing

I completely agree with this and I find it beautiful that these words came from a man. This world needs more men to speak in this way. Men who are confident and brave to lead a righteous life away from all the pretending. Men who lead families and stand up in arms against tyranny. Strong men who defend morality, basic principles and values.

From my experience it’s difficult to find a partner to have and raise a child with. I guess it’s got to do with all the aspects of the agenda aiming to destroy family culture by forming weak and unstable humans that are easily controlled.

I don't enjoy life. Many people don't. Bringing someone into this in order to get more out of my own life would be a real dick move.

The risk of having kids with a girl far outweigh the benefits. You're essentially welcoming the state into your life and giving the woman the keys to your vault. Hit it and quit it until society changes.

I'd love to have kids but I'm far too rational.

Agreed, having kids is hard and forces you toward selflessness. It’s good that you can’t do whatever you want with no responsibilities. I always recommend getting married and having kids, don’t wait.

Yup.

I neglected thinking it was good to have kids when I should have. It is one of my largest regrets, and I may never have kids of my own. That... Hurts.